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Old 09-15-2020, 2:13 PM
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Thank you all that offered help identifying all these along with estimated values Tremendous help considering the vast amount of information regarding so many pieces. To the others that offered commentary.. invaluable insight. Thank you for the bump.

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Old 09-15-2020, 2:14 PM
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***Not accepting offers off this page. Only estimated values. Seeking only helpful advice or information pertaining to specific details about these firearms. C&R firearms are very precise, so any and all details about intricacies and nuances are helpful

*I have a thread in the C&R marketplace for such details.

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Old 09-15-2020, 2:31 PM
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#3 is a Vetterli Model 1871 Rifle
#4 is a National Fire Arms Co. Mod.1898 Marlin shotgun.
#5 is a Berthier St. Etienne MLE 1907-15 Rifle Around $500-$1000.
#6 is a BSA Martini Cadet. About $400-$450.
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***If interested in purchasing any of these, just PM me or post it. Either way. These will just collect dust if someone here doesn’t purchase them. They should be appreciated instead of just kept in a safe.***
You can't post a want to sell post without actual prices, and move this to the for sale forum.
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Springfield is a Krag. #2 is a VZ52.
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Old 09-15-2020, 3:04 PM
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#2 is a VZ-52 rifle. Czech manufactured, probably 7.62x45 but it could also be 7.62x39.
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30 40 krag, the krag Jorgensen rifle. It's what the US adopted after the trapdoor Springfield and before the 03 Springfield rifle. It's big claim to fame was it you could top up the magazine. It was originally a Norwegian design. The 30-40 designation means it was a 30 caliber bullet with 40 grains of smokeless propellant, it was the first cartridge that we used that was smokeless
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Interested in Martini Cadet. Sending PM

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The BP rifle was imported by FIE probably around 1980. This was the Kentucky Rifle priced at $94.95.

It might fetch $200 now as that seems to be what buyers are willing to pay.

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Old 09-15-2020, 3:28 PM
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Checked GB for completed auctions on the cadet. Last one sold for $695.

Currently one is listed for $1,195 but $600 seems to be what these were getting in the past.

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I hear you, and I see how it may have been misinterpret. It wasn’t meant as a, “to sell”, but more as an inquiry of if OTHER people wanted to add them to their own collection, then they could message me
-As it says in the title and my other post about this collection, I’m just trying to get some info on what they are, estimated value and so forth. Not promoting a sale, just offering the opportunity for those who help me identify them acquire the firearm if they wanted to
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#2 is a VZ-52 rifle. Czech manufactured, probably 7.62x45 but it could also be 7.62x39.
The only way it could be 7.62x39 is via one of those horrible glued-in chamber inserts. I'd bet it's in 7.62x45.

That being said, it appears to be in great shape for a VZ-52. How's the barrel? They're usually worse than sewer pipes even when the exterior is clean.
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That didn’t take long
—-Thank you all for helping us put closure on this and get the information we needed about them! We do appreciate it. Saved us hours of guessing online and can close the book and safe on them.
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Love the Martini Cadet rifle but is 32-20 still reasonable to acquire
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Nevermind checked not great but if did reload of it could be fun
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We took them all apart and cleaned them, as it relates to your question, the barrel is really good in that one. I think he may have only shot it once or twice. Well maintained by the person who had it before also.
-He didn’t shoot many of the ones he couldn’t take, or didn’t like, for hunting. Crisp barrel lining, well taken care of over decades.


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The only way it could be 7.62x39 is via one of those horrible glued-in chamber inserts. I'd bet it's in 7.62x45.

That being said, it appears to be in great shape for a VZ-52. How's the barrel? They're usually worse than sewer pipes even when the exterior is clean.
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The only way it could be 7.62x39 is via one of those horrible glued-in chamber inserts. I'd bet it's in 7.62x45.

That being said, it appears to be in great shape for a VZ-52. How's the barrel? They're usually worse than sewer pipes even when the exterior is clean.
After pressure from the Soviet Union to adopt its 7.62×39mm cartridge, existing Czech rifles were rechambered to the Soviet caliber, and all further production of the rifle was chambered in this caliber and re-designated the vz. 52/57. The vz. 52/57 is identical except for its barrel and its magazines. It is considerably less common and are generally found in better condition due to the vz. 52/57 chromium-plated bore and chamber. The vz. 52 magazines can be used with the vz. 52/57, but they do not feed as reliably.it
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The Krag is a cut down rifle in an aftermarket stock, so not terribly valuable.

Instead of asking for possible values from random individuals on this forum, you would be be better off going to Gunbroker. In the advanced search section, look for closed auctions where the firearm in question has actually sold. That will give you an idea of what people are willing to pay for a particular firearm.
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Checked GB for completed auctions on the cadet. Last one sold for $695.



Currently one is listed for $1,195 but $600 seems to be what these were getting in the past.



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I sold an original Australian Martini Cadet for $400 last year. Paid $20 for it in 1962.
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I sold an original Australian Martini Cadet for $400 last year. Paid $20 for it in 1962.
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Original as still a .310 cadet .321 bore without readily available ammunition?

If the OP's rifle has been properly relined and rechambered for 32-20 then it is GTG.

It appears to be in good shape overall so I would hope that it was done correctly.

That $20 rifle would cost $172 in 2020. Will the OP sell his for $200?

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Original as still a .310 cadet .321 bore without readily available ammunition?

If the OP's rifle has been properly relined and rechambered for 32-20 then it is GTG.

It appears to be in good shape overall so I would hope that it was done correctly.

That $20 rifle would cost $172 in 2020. Will the OP sell his for $200?

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If a piece isn’t worth anything, then I’m happy to hear it, but please

Everyone Else: “$400, $450, $600, $1,100”
You: “$172”

‘$172’? Really? Not $170 or $175? Seems like a person trying to appear more intelligent or knowledgeable than what they are throwing out an obscure number like ‘$172’. Plus, less half the lower end of estimated value? It means much more to us than to someone else at that rate, and we will happily keep it at that point

Still, thank you for your time and contribution. Wish you the best of luck Sir.
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post a pruice please. cannot ask for offers here. Post a high price and put or best offer.

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Sorry I forgot the sarcasm emoji.

It was not an offer for the rifle. Just comparing a good deal price with today's cost. Shows how our cash value has declined

The information that I gave was intended to be helpful. The conversion makes the rifle more desirable.

If I offended anyone well I'm so sorry.

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If a piece isn’t worth anything, then I’m happy to hear it, but please

Everyone Else: “$400, $450, $600, $1,100”
You: “$172”

‘$172’? Really? Not $170 or $175? Seems like a person trying to appear more intelligent or knowledgeable than what they are throwing out an obscure number like ‘$172’. Plus, less half the lower end of estimated value? It means much more to us than to someone else at that rate, and we will happily keep it at that point

Still, thank you for your time and contribution. Wish you the best of luck Sir.



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The Martini Cadet is a correct .32-20 conversion and the stock was matched correctly to the barrel. They also seem to go for more than the .310 I want. So $600 is a fair price.

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If a piece isn’t worth anything, then I’m happy to hear it, but please

Everyone Else: “$400, $450, $600, $1,100”
You: “$172”

‘$172’? Really? Not $170 or $175? Seems like a person trying to appear more intelligent or knowledgeable than what they are throwing out an obscure number like ‘$172’. Plus, less half the lower end of estimated value? It means much more to us than to someone else at that rate, and we will happily keep it at that point

Still, thank you for your time and contribution. Wish you the best of luck Sir.
Because that's what the math calculates to, and he was joking with you

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$20 in 1962 is $172 in 2020
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Because that's what the math calculates to, and he was joking with you

https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/
$20 in 1962 is $172 in 2020

Yes, I should have caught and known that. How foolish between handling my grandfathers’s passing and everything that does with that, school, work and life, I should have known that the conversion of $20 in 1962-Present is $173

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