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Old 08-03-2019, 5:22 PM
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Default 22 caliber semi auto for wife/kids?

granted o.p. asked about semiauto 22lr suggestions, but let me throw out for consideration a ruger single six 22wmr/lr single action revolver. built like a brick outhouse for your adult kids to teach your unborn grandchildren. single action makes it a slow, thus effective, by the numbers learning tool. eats any 22 ammo, lr for cheap plinking fun, wmr for more oomph. politically correct forever. used ones can be had for $300 or so and are good value shooters.


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A lot of .22 can be picky. Our M&P22 has around 25k rounds through it and is extremely reliable
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granted o.p. asked about semiauto 22lr suggestions, but let me throw out for consideration a ruger single six 22wmr/lr single action revolver. built like a brick outhouse for your adult kids to teach your unborn grandchildren. single action makes it a slow, thus effective, by the numbers learning tool. eats any 22 ammo, lr for cheap plinking fun, wmr for more oomph. politically correct forever. used ones can be had for $300 or so and are good value shooters.


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You know, I was thinking about it today. Would the revolver be suitable for a 12 year old?
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Old 08-05-2019, 7:54 PM
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Buckmark. Get one in 4" barrel. You want something solid to tame recoil and a long enough barrel to be squirrel-accurate.
Rugers are great, but cost more.

I wasn't impressed with the GSG quality nor trigger (but I admittedly am comparing it to a real M1911)

Neither my Buckmark nor Ruger MKII have been cleaned in 15+ years. I have very occasionally sprayed them with brake cleaner, drag ged a bore snake thru them and then sprayed some CLP to lube. Still going strong.
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You know, I was thinking about it today. Would the revolver be suitable for a 12 year old?


the ruger s.s. is a bit heavy but nothing a healthy 12 year old canít handle. i like single action revolvers precisely because they are slow and require deliberate, thoughtful shooting. you certainly simply cannot blow through ammo as you can with a semiauto pistol. a single action revolver is also simple to field strip and clean. imho practicing proper firearm maintenance is just as important a good habit as practicing proper shooting techniques, especially for kids who are starting out.

i learned to shoot eons ago at a university rifle club (imagine that!) where my dad taught when i too was 12 yo but with a single shot bolt action rifle. same principle, we kids were forced to take our time, listen to the instructors, and well learn the fundamentals of breathing, sight picture and trigger squeeze.

there is a new 22lr only ruger wrangler that gets good reviews for only $200. i havenít handled it yet, but i prefer having the option of shooting stronger and more accurate 22wmr out of the two cylinder single six. with the right ammo, i.e. handgun specific defense loads, 22wmr can be effective for protection. good luck!


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the ruger s.s. is a bit heavy but nothing a healthy 12 year old canít handle. i like single action revolvers precisely because they are slow and require deliberate, thoughtful shooting. you certainly simply cannot blow through ammo as you can with a semiauto pistol. a single action revolver is also simple to field strip and clean. imho practicing proper firearm maintenance is just as important a good habit as practicing proper shooting techniques, especially for kids who are starting out.

i learned to shoot eons ago at a university rifle club (imagine that!) where my dad taught when i too was 12 yo but with a single shot bolt action rifle. same principle, we kids were forced to take our time, listen to the instructors, and well learn the fundamentals of breathing, sight picture and trigger squeeze.

there is a new 22lr only ruger wrangler that gets good reviews for only $200. i havenít handled it yet, but i prefer having the option of shooting stronger and more accurate 22wmr out of the two cylinder single six. with the right ammo, i.e. handgun specific defense loads, 22wmr can be effective for protection. good luck!


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Great info, thank you.

Where did you see the Ruger Wrangler for sale?
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Buckmarks can have flawed extractors and weak firing pins. Mine works flawlessly but a cheap upgrade is the Eagle Talon extractor and titanium firing pin. Should eat any ammo after that. https://www.tandemkross.com/Browning...ark_c_161.html

The P22 is fun , but not as well made or accurate as the Buckmark.
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Where did you see the Ruger Wrangler for sale?

thank you, ahh thatís why i havenít yet handled a wrangler, seems to be a bit of a unicorn gun. btw iím not in california but iíve read online of california folks getting one in big box and local gun stores.

a heritage roughrider (california approved steel version) and ruger wrangler each run about $200. despite no 22wmr cylinder and my own fine experience with a heritage, i would still get the ruger because it is built strong to be a legacy gun of fine memories for your unborn grandchildren.


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Old 08-06-2019, 9:29 AM
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I've got Sig Mosquito, and my brother has the Walther. Of the two, the Sig was definitely picky about ammo - it really wants rounds with a high FPS rating. Meanwhile my brother's Walther shot fine right out of the box, with zero malfunctions. He's put about 1k rounds through it and is glad he got that instead if the Sig.
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Buddy brought a Wrangler to the range a couple weeks ago.

Exactly what I would expect from a budget Ruger revolver. It's accurate enough. He was getting two inch circles at ten yards, six round groups. Seems pretty well built. Not as light as I'd expected.

I don't see how you could go wrong for 190$ on sale.

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Default Be very careful with rimfire revolvers

The rimfire nature of ignition often leads to heavy springs and stout trigger pulls.

Bear that in mind.
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The rimfire nature of ignition often leads to heavy springs and stout trigger pulls.

Bear that in mind.
I target shoot my revolvers single action and the trigger pulls are outstandingly light and smooth.
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The rimfire nature of ignition often leads to heavy springs and stout trigger pulls.

Bear that in mind.
My Buckmark Camper runs about 4#, and pretty crisp, stock. With a Burris FF2 on it my buddies call it the ďCheat GunĒ.

The only concern i would have is that it may be a bit large for younger kids with small hands.
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Cant go wrong with a buckmark. A Walter non CA 22 is better than on roster one.
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Sounds 100% like a magazine issue [for that guy at least.] No 22lr is perfect but you shouldn't have the cartridges doing tricks before entering the chamber.
Looks like "loose lips", feed lips, that is.... letting the round "dolphin" as it comes up for feeding.
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The rimfire nature of ignition often leads to heavy springs and stout trigger pulls.

Bear that in mind.
Buckmark owners should try thf trigger spring flip. Best free mod ever: https://youtu.be/gwm6BL_H5GY
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Buckmark should work nicely. I like my Ruger MKII, but looks like the Rugers are not roster.

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Buddy brought a Wrangler to the range a couple weeks ago.

Exactly what I would expect from a budget Ruger revolver. It's accurate enough. He was getting two inch circles at ten yards, six round groups. Seems pretty well built. Not as light as I'd expected.

I don't see how you could go wrong for 190$ on sale.


The have a ruger bearcat. The wrangler I guess is kind of a budget version of the bearcat. All I can say about the bearcat is probably the most pure fun to shoot gun I have. And itís really a perfect kids gun because they canít blast away. They have to learn patience and all that. Plus it slows them down and makes ammo last a lot longer.

And no, kids arenít going to get bored shooting a single action revolver. However, when they get older and discover the 1911...

The other thing is while youíll by the bearcat for the kids, youíll end up shooting it more than they will. And not because they donít want to shoot it.


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I see 22 pistols having 3 primary purposes: (1) training gun for tactical shooting - less recoil and cheaper ammo; (2) plinking reactive targets, cans, etc. - fast and low precision; (3) target shooting - making small groups.

I shoot 22 for target shooting, because it's therapeutic, concentrating on making small groups. I shoot slowly and few rounds. Calm and patient instead of pewpewpew.

GSG, which I haven't shot before, seems like it'll fit purposes 1 and 2.

A revolver (4 inch barrel and longer) would be great for target shooting. Double action will be tough for your wife. She can shoot SA.

Buckmark would be great for purposes 2 and 3. It's very accurate for target shooting and it'll be fun to pewpewpew since it's semi-automatic.
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Hey OP if you're still in the market- Turner's has the Browning Buckmark Camper UFX on sale for $299 with an additional $25 rebate off of that. Comes to $275 + tax and DROS. Pretty sweet deal. Tomorrow 8/14 only discount club special.
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Thanks! I bought a 5 inch barrel Walther P22 last week, pick it up on Sunday.
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Hi y'all,

I am in the market for a nice semi auto 22 caliber pistol for my wife/kids. It will be a starter pistol for the kids, something for the wife to play around with also.

I received an ad from Turners today, on August 9th the American Tactical GSG-922 will be on sale for $299.98. They also have the American Tactical M1911 on sale for $279.98. I am also looking at the Walther P22 but I heard it's finicky on the type of ammo used.

Should I go to Oak Tree instead, according to them on the phone they have a large selection?

Any opinions on which pistol to buy, my budget is around $300. I can increase it if there's something better.

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OP,

There are several good suggestions about Buckmarks, but I have a little pistol suggestion:

Try, as you might, to find a Smith and Wesson 422 or 622. They're a bit pricier than 300, but they shoot beautifully and they'll take most ammo without many issues. Like many good pistols, this one isn't made anymore, so you'll have to do some hunting, but I think you'll be pleased. I am using this one to train my 11 year old nieces, a 55 year old lady who isn't into guns much (but ironically likes this one), and I've used it to teach newbies.

Google it for pix and there are several Youtube vids featuring this little pistol.

FTR, I've heard mixed reviews, with most bad, on the Walther P22 and the Buckmark is a pretty hefty gun for younger folks and the sighting system isn't the easiest.

Just a recommendation
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Well...

If you are set on a semi-Auto?

Another vote for a used Ruger Mk II, in any stripe. (but the target mdls are sweet.)


If not?

Ruger make the outstanding Super Single-Six convertible in 5.5", as well as the double action LCRx 3" 8-shot, and SP-101 4.2" 8-shot.

Hard to beat a .22 LR revolver.




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I very strongly believe that the first gun a new shooter should handle is a .22 caliber rifle. I would never start a young shooter with a handgun.

The longer sight radius, the reduced muzzle blast, the safety of a longer barrel (harder to make a mistake and point in the wrong direction), are all reasons to start with a rifle.


Besides, if you don't have a nice Ruger 10-22 it is the perfect time to buy one.

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I own three Buckmarks. Collectively, I've fired over 15K rounds from them. I don't know how one can beat the price of a Buckmark and it's reputation for reliability. Other than the guy who previously posted that he had/has a problem with his Buckmark, I've never heard of anyone owning a bad buckmark. Plus, they are rather inexpensive.
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OP bought a 5 inch Walther P22. /thread
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