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So are State Recreation Areas the same as State Parks since they are run by State Parks Employees???? What's the difference between a S.P. and a S.R.A.????
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ETA: Looks like the direct link to 14 CCR § 4501 doesn't work, so if you want to read which areas are mentioned, you'll have to go here, and browse your way through to Title 14, Division 3, Chapter 5. Last edited by MudCamper; 08-23-2010 at 9:14 AM.. |
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So trip was good, saw a ton of cool stuff!
I was approached by a Park Ranger requesting to check the pistol: Me: Hello Ranger: Hello, is your pistol unloaded? Me: Yes, you may E-check. (I turn away from him) Ranger: Ok, (to my wife) please step over there (gesturing for her to move a few yards to his weak side). Place your hands on your head and interlock your fingers please(demonstrates). Me: Ok. Ranger: (unholsters pistol and inspects chamber) Good! That's what I like to see! (reholsters pistol) Thank you. Me: You're welcome. Then I shook his hand, lol. He also told me that of the 4 people he has checked, I was the only one carrying UOC. The 3 others had their guns confiscated and were written up. |
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I'm having a hard time distinguishing where I can and can not carry. I'm going to Yosemite this weekend, and we are car camping at Tuolumne Meadows Group Campgrounds at Yosemite National Park. From what I've been reading, there are certain places where I can and can not carry here. I asked a friend of mine who frequents this area, but he could not give me a straight area. We will be hiking away from camp for two of the three days up there, and I'm not sure where. Can someone help? I'd like to bring some sort of print out with me to the park in case we are stopped, but this thread has too many things I'd couldnt begin to understand... =)
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In short: in the national parks (like Yosemite) you can UOC everywhere except in federal buildings that have posted "no firearms" signs and school zones that apparently present in some parks. LOC is a different story - it is like a minefield. I would suggest to read this thread before you decide to LOC. But UOC is fine. Just make sure you magazines are visible too. Concealed magazine can be seen same way as concealed carry.
BTW, I'm not a lawyer so take my advise as such and decide to OC or not for yourself
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Buildings are clearly marked...although the crappers are not, so wizz at your own risk. lol Quote:
Parks are an area where discharge is prohibited, so that means loading is prohibited as well. Rangers tend to be friendly and know the laws, you will be ok if you're carrying UOC. I'd recommend having friends/significant others there as well to witness the e-check and observe the contact with the Ranger. |
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Sound like you got good information from them. That is correct.
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17+1, are you saying that the rangers you have encountered are not aware of this exception? If not we need to educate them. |
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I was at a trail-head near a parking lot... I should have asked where the people that got their weapons confiscated were when they got dinged...sorry guys. |
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It'd be a bad day for someone to try to confiscate a firearm in the backwoods. |
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This is covered in the first few posts in the thread. Wilderness areas in NPs are, like the entire NP, prohibited areas, so only UOC. Wilderness areas in the NF may have shooting restrictions but usually not, so UOC or LOC accordingly. Check your local ranger station for local restrictions.
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This thread depresses me. The rule should be, "You're a legal resident of the United States? Then by all means, openly carry, loaded or unloaded, wherever you want to except for those places protected by armed guards and metal detectors."
Next time I'm visiting California's back country, I'll be sure to carry a 20lb crib sheet of what I can and cannot do depending on the phase of the moon and the mood of the legislature.
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Well, it can be kept pretty simple: In the National Parks, UOC. In the National Forests and BLM, UOC, unless you are hiking out in the proverbial sticks, then LOC.
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Google it and go to their web-page. It will tell you what's allowed.
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Hello all. Does this look like a legal place to go target shooting? Click on the arrows in the top middle to see more of the map. It is in the National Forest as we pass two NF signs getting there. We've been there a couple of times and by the looks of all the trash so has other people. Just curious thanks.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...05472&t=h&z=18 |
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Thank you for this thread. It is very helpful.
I'm taking a 4 day trip through some remote parts of Death Valley National Park. i feel comfortable that I understand I will be able to UOC if I choose both in my vehicle and while deeper in the mountains on foot. The question I have is a combination of NF regulation (no discharge within 150 yrds of a building) and the right to LOC while in temporary residence or campsite. There are many old cabins in DVNP and I intend to stay in some. All have vehicle access and are thus adjacent to roads. I would like to LOC while utilizing these cabins for shelter overnight. Does anyone see any problems with this? On a side, transporting a pistol locked and unloaded over 4 days shouldnt be a problem in the NP, or is my destination too vague? Thanks! |
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I got this notice as I confirmed my trip to Joshua Tree NP:
Alerts and Important Information Equestrian sites are for campers with horses ONLY. There are NO horse corrals. Sites have shared hitching posts, fire pits and picnic tables. You will be held to the type of equipment your reservation is for. Campgrounds will be unable to accomodate equipment changes. Late Arrivals: If you will be arriving after noon the FOLLOWING DAY call 760-367-3001. IF YOU DO NOT CALL, CHECK-IN OR VISIBLY OCCUPY YOUR SITE BY NOON THE FOLLOWING DAY,YOU WILL FORFEIT YOUR SITE. Pets must be leashed. Pets are not allowed on trails and are restricted to developed areas only. Bring your own firewood. No gathering of wood allowed. No hook-ups. No firearms or fireworks. Quiet hours 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. Generators allowed 7 a.m. - 9 a.m., 12 p.m. - 2 p.m., and 5 p.m. - 7 p.m. Two vehicles (trailers are considered a vehicle) and 6 people maximum per site. Check in at Ranger Station, hours 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. except Friday, 12 p.m. - 8 p.m. Organized or special events may require permits. There is no access into the main portion of the park from the campground, except by hiking trails. Entry into the main portion of the park at other entry points requires an entrance fee separate from the campground fee. $15 for a 7 day period per private family vehicle. Commercial users are required to reserve group site. Are you a commerical user? If so, you are required to obtain an incidental business permit. Please call 760-367-5545. Groups Larger than 18 people (3 sites), please call 760-367-5549 for more information. If you reserve a disabled site and arrive at the park and are not disabled, you may forfeit your site, and/or be cited. bolded...is this right? I guess I should contact them personally to be extra sure... |
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Kudos to MudCamper for taking the time to make some sense out of this web of laws.
So I'm planning to do some back country hiking in Yosemite for 3-4 days this summer and I'd like to have a sidearm with me so I did my due diligence and read this thread front to back. The front page has a very good list as to how to legally carry a sidearm in a National Park like Yosemite where shooting is prohibited. To summarize:
However, I would like a bit more clarification on how a fishing license in Yosemite changes things (since hunting licenses aren't issued there.) My understanding is that the above three points apply along with the following addition:
Now for my questions:
Thanks for your time Last edited by SiegeX; 02-27-2011 at 4:40 PM.. |
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And they absolutely proscribe BB guns, slingshots, bows/arrows, etc. http://www.nps.gov/jotr/planyourvisit/things2know.htm
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However, a road does not have to be paved or maintained to still be considered a road. A gated off dirt fire road overgrown with weeds and saplings would still be a road in the eyes of the law. Just get a good set of local maps for the area you're in and if you have any question about what you're hiking on take a conservative approach and unload. |
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I have read this post and it has spanned quite a bit of time. I have a few questions . It sounds like this post is dealing primarily with someone wanting to carry a hand gun in NF/NP/SP or BLM. Yes or No?
My second question is if I want to go back packing and take a rifle with me ( example Keltec rifle which collapses in half/ or a OLL upper / lower dissembled to fit in pack) would carrying the rifle in pack be considered concealed and or legal to do? Does the Original post only apply to handguns? |
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A legal rifle or shotgun (i.e. long gun) isn't "concealable" under the law as per definition. That includes collapsible or breakdown rifles like my Marlin 70PSS. It may be out of view in your pack, but it isn't "concealed" so you can't be charged with a 12025 violation. Note that there are laws that apply only to rifles and shotguns (e.g., Fish and Game Code 2006) and county codes sometimes treat them differently than handguns. For example, Mendocino county's codes set different minimum-distance-from-dwelling distances for shotguns vs. rifles and handguns. County codes apply in all of the public lands so you need to know them well. One more example - this sign is out in Tahoe National Forest, and the area it warns about is defined in the county code: Because I had carefully read the county code in advance, I knew that it was perfectly legal to continue on and travel through that area with my always-present 70PSS survival rifle tucked away in the rear bag (unloaded, disassembled, and container locked for good measure for when I trailer through GFSZs). I would have been OK even if I entered on a trail that doesn't have one of those big yellow signs. Learn all you can from this thread and then go read the county codes (carefully) for wherever you intend to go. That greatly increases the chances that you'll remain out in the woods/parks/public lands vs. ending up being transported to jail. Last edited by GrizzlyGuy; 03-15-2011 at 7:18 AM.. |
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Would be nice to have a list of parks that allow firearms.
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Assuming you're talking about National Parks, thanks to HR 262 (see first post) they all must allow firearms unloaded open carry or if you have a fishing license, unloaded concealed carry.
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I was looking more for a list of parks that allow you to set up firing lines. A few of my friends and I want to go out to the desert and shoot the **** out some targets in scenarios.
50yrd dash to first target @ 50 yards, 2 to head 3 in the 9 ring. 25yrd dash to second target @ 75yrds 5 in the 9 ring - crouching 50yrd dash to third target @ 150yrds 5 in the 9 ring - from cover/prone 25yrds dash to fourth target @ 15yrds 10 in the 9 ring (Pistol/Secondary) etc etc etc...
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I don't believe there are any national parks which allow for the discharge of a firearm. You'll need to go to either a National Forest, BLM or certain National Wilderness' which have not banned firearm discharge.
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Great thread, only read the first few pages so forgive me if I my question has already been answered.
Anyways, from what I gather, I can go up to a national forest, (tahoe and el dorado closest ones to me), and assuming I am not in a prohibited area I can set up targets or whatnot and do some shooting as well. Now, is it also legal to hunt in the NF? Assuming of course I have a license and shoot what is in season. (I'm mostly talking about small game/animals that can be taken year round)? |
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ATTENTION: If you ever suffer any harassment while legally using firearms or receive incorrect legal information from any NF or BLM LEO, please report it using the form that Oaklander has posted here.
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