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Old 02-22-2021, 1:05 PM
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Vaccination Rollout: Red States Outpace Blue States

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ast Friday, during President Biden’s G7 debut, he announced a $4 billion program to assist in the distribution of coronavirus vaccine to poor nations. This is more than a little ironic, considering the chaotic vaccine rollout over which he has presided in the United States. It is particularly so in view of the ineptitude with which Biden’s fellow Democrats in blue states have managed their distribution programs, which have been far less efficient than their red state counterparts. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), for example, West Virginia has delivered twice as many full (two-dose) vaccinations per 100,000 residents than has California.

Indeed, according to news reports, the Golden State’s disorganized vaccine distribution rollout is an important reason the initiative to recall Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom has continued gaining momentum. Inevitably, Newsom blames former President Trump for his own incompetent vaccine rollout, but this is just as preposterous as the whoppers Biden and Vice President Harris have told about the vaccine distribution plan they inherited from the Trump administration. The reality is that Democrats at both the state and federal levels are better at making promises than making things go. Meanwhile, the efficiency of West Virginia under the leadership of GOP Gov. Jim Justice, has been noted even by the Washington Post:

West Virginia has one of the lowest per capita incomes in the United States — along with some of the highest levels of chronic illnesses — but it has been among the most prolific in protecting its residents against the novel coronavirus … the governor has closely managed the process of determining who gets priority while giving counties far less leeway than in other states to make their own rules … That ethos has helped propel his state to a position that much wealthier and healthier states can only envy.

West Virginia is no outlier. As of this writing, the CDC reports that, under the leadership of Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, Florida has delivered more full vaccines (6,896 per 100,000) than have perennial blue states like New York (6,004 per 100,000), New Jersey (5,746 per 100,000), Massachusetts (5,335 per 100,000), Illinois (4,422 per 100,000), Michigan (6,485 per 100,000), Minnesota (6,105 per 100,000), Washington (5,402 per 100,000), Oregon (6,302 per 100,000), and of course California (4,997 per 100,000). Only three blue states have managed to outpace Florida on vaccine distribution per 100,000 residents: New Mexico (9,289 per 100,000), Connecticut (7,595 per 100,000), and Vermont (7,214 per 100,000).

Despite the obvious success of Florida’s program, Democrats and the media have relentlessly criticized Gov. DeSantis for his handling of the vaccinations. The Sunshine State is home to a large percentage (20.5 percent) of people over 65, yet his critics insist that his policy of prioritizing seniors is politically motivated. The real problem, of course, is that his state is outperforming blue states. Morever, Florida and West Virginia aren’t the only red states whose rollouts are embarrassing their blue counterparts. The best-performing state in the union is Alaska, the only state to exceed more than 11,000 full vaccines per 100,000 residents. This is no mean accomplishment considering its geographic and transportation challenges:

Bigger than Texas, California and Montana combined, Alaska is a vast, sparsely populated, and largely roadless state, with only a handful of main arteries. To distribute vaccines, doctors and nurses statewide have had to rely on a wide range of transportation modes.… Alaska’s vaccine process is distinct from other states, in that it’s built on an existing immunization program (used predominantly for flu and childhood vaccines) that allows the state to redistribute doses.

Note that phrase: “built on an existing immunization program.” This is journalese for “they were prepared.” Alaska’s GOP Gov. Mike Dunleavy, rather than spending his time on CNN chatting with his brother or writing a self-aggrandizing book, has actually been doing his job. A week ago, while the Democratic governors of New York and California were attempting to evade responsibility for their incompetence and negligence, Dunleavy released a COVID-19 transition plan that “begins the process of moving Alaska to the path to normalcy while still effectively managing the virus.” Meanwhile, back in the lower 48, yet another Republican governor has presided over a successful COVID-19 vaccine rollout.
https://spectator.org/covid-vaccines...ans-democrats/
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Old 02-22-2021, 1:32 PM
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OP you are trying to draw conclusions (or so it seems) about the relative efficiency (or relative ability) or "red"states vs. "blue"states, but your making sweeping assumptions that render your assumptions inaccurate.

First, you seem to presume that all states are getting the same percentage of dosages for their populations. Take a look at the CDC data. That is not the case.
https://data.cdc.gov/Vaccinations/CO...uris/saz5-9hgg
FL has received a greater percentage of vaccine simply because it has the largest percentage of elderly by population. So... they are a few points ahead of California for example b/c they simply have a higher percentage of older people.
Next, you are assuming that it is State government's "failures" which keep them from administering more vaccine. Not true. Most every state is capable of administering far more vaccines than they have or are being allotted. CA has super sites sitting idle for days a a time because he just aren't getting enough vaccine. That is not an indictment of the CA Gov.

It would be much more helpful for us all if we could leave alone this puerile "red states are better than blue states"mentality. Ted Cruz and other did the exact same thing when gloating that CA's power grid problems were as a result of being of liberal mismanagement. Well, I think everybody now knows the argument was nonsensical and inappropriate as well as inaccurate and MILLIONS of Texans are paying dearly for that hubris.
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OP you are trying to draw conclusions (or so it seems) about the relative efficiency (or relative ability) or "red"states vs. "blue"states, but your making sweeping assumptions that render your assumptions inaccurate.

First, you seem to presume that all states are getting the same percentage of dosages for their populations. Take a look at the CDC data. That is not the case.
https://data.cdc.gov/Vaccinations/CO...uris/saz5-9hgg
FL has received a greater percentage of vaccine simply because it has the largest percentage of elderly by population. So... they are a few points ahead of California for example b/c they simply have a higher percentage of older people.
Next, you are assuming that it is State government's "failures" which keep them from administering more vaccine. Not true. Most every state is capable of administering far more vaccines than they have or are being allotted.

It would be much more helpful for us all if we could leave alone this puerile "red states are better than blue states"mentality. Ted Cruz and other did the exact same thing when gloating that CA's power grid problems were as a result of being of liberal mismanagement. Well, I think everybody now knows the argument was nonsensical and inappropriate as well as inaccurate and MILLIONS of Texans are paying dearly for that hubris.
I'm making no conclusions, the writer of this piece is and I am just sharing his work with you and other Calgunners.

I will also note that both Xiden and Kamala have said in the past few days that A) there was no vaccine when they took office and B) that there was no plan to distribute the vaccine when they took office.

The day after inauguration 1.3 million American's were vaccinated under the 'no plan' plan.

When the highest ranking elected officials in the nation are blatantly lying to the public it seems odd that you would take umbridge with an article illustrating what failures the Democrat led states are.

Cuomo was the 'gold standard' according to Xiden prior to the election, even though most of us knew back in March of last year that he bungled the response so badly that many elderly people died as a result. Have you forgotten Cuomo's pleading for 40k ventilators due to his panic? Have you forgotten that Trump told him to STFU and he didn't need them and was correct?

5 Democrat governors sent sick back to homes for elderly resulting in many, many unnecessary deaths.

You've got no defense here, no matter the 'baffle em with bull****' details you try to trot out to make your point. Cuomo will most likely be prosecuted for his massive failure and all those deaths, and we can only hope it leads to Newsom, Murphy, Whitmer and the others and that they get maximum sentences for their failures.

Meanwhile the idiot box media that clearly drags you around by the ring in your nose is now attacking gov Desantis for... wait for it... prioritizing the vaccines for the elderly. This after we heard the constant barrage of lies about how Desantis was covering up deaths in his state, which was then and is now clearly projection by the media for the actions of Cuomo that lead to thousands upon thousands of deaths.

But sure, go ahead and make your feeble attempt to pretend the bumbling blue state governors have not screwed this up from the beginning, from lock downs to nursing home deaths. I'll just be over here laughing and pointing at how ridiculous you are.

Edit: Cruz was right to point out the problems of renewables in California and anyone not in the fake news bubble knows that Germany and Australia have had massive power outages due to their shift to unreliables. Texas just punctuated that for the entire world, but the hate America media went into overdrive to protect it's golden calf of climate change and unreliable energy. What this will lead to is more reliance on unreliables and when another once in a lifetime weather event strikes thousands will die and the hate America media will rush to claim the moral high ground by claiming it was climate change that caused the deaths and not horrible leftist policies that result in unstable power grids.

Edit 2: So I call BS on your reasoning based on the easy to read data here. That chart shows FL got 5.1 millon doses so far. It also shows California got 9.1 million. Sure FL seems to have gotten a larger percentage of vaccines, but that doesn't address the idiotic policies of California and NY that resulted in vaccs getting thrown out due to bureauocratic BS on who gets the shot first.

I mean FFS, here's an article from yesterday that says California is rolling out a new vacc distro system. Why wasn't this done in December, two months ago when the vacc hit the streets?

I'm not sure where you got your leftist talking points from, but they are just as fake as the idea that there was no plan or vaccine when Xiden took over and started bungling the distro efforts.
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OP you are trying to draw conclusions (or so it seems) about the relative efficiency (or relative ability) or "red"states vs. "blue"states, but your making sweeping assumptions that render your assumptions inaccurate.

First, you seem to presume that all states are getting the same percentage of dosages for their populations. Take a look at the CDC data. That is not the case.
https://data.cdc.gov/Vaccinations/CO...uris/saz5-9hgg
FL has received a greater percentage of vaccine simply because it has the largest percentage of elderly by population. So... they are a few points ahead of California for example b/c they simply have a higher percentage of older people.
Next, you are assuming that it is State government's "failures" which keep them from administering more vaccine. Not true. Most every state is capable of administering far more vaccines than they have or are being allotted. CA has super sites sitting idle for days a a time because he just aren't getting enough vaccine. That is not an indictment of the CA Gov.

It would be much more helpful for us all if we could leave alone this puerile "red states are better than blue states"mentality. Ted Cruz and other did the exact same thing when gloating that CA's power grid problems were as a result of being of liberal mismanagement. Well, I think everybody now knows the argument was nonsensical and inappropriate as well as inaccurate and MILLIONS of Texans are paying dearly for that hubris.
I agree that its not red vs blue in this case, but small versus big where the smaller population states are getting them through the quickest. It just happens to be that smaller population states are red.
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I agree that its not red vs blue in this case, but small versus big where the smaller population states are getting them through the quickest. It just happens to be that smaller population states are red.
Big states with dense population centers should be getting more done everyone is closer to a source.
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Big states with dense population centers should be getting more done everyone is closer to a source.
Most are probably aware, but since the initial 30m doses were used, the slowdown hasn't been at the state levels.
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Wyoming has less people in the state than the city of sacramento has. Unless that changed last year. Red states are small pops which is part of their charm imo
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It is a Chinese owned Biden.
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Xiden? It's Biden with an anal swab in his butt.

In case you missed it, the Chinese are metaphorically anal raping our diplomats to show the country and the world how much control they have over senile Biden.

The message could not be clearer, they own the federal government under Biden and can do anything they want to America.
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