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Old 02-22-2021, 8:08 AM
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Why not get a longer slide?
I see guys who clearly have the cash to have a longer slide still choose to run a 17 slide instead of a 34 with their X300 sticking out underneath. Can’t wrap my head around why.
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I assume this is just at the range or maybe in uspsa? At work I have heard some people advocate making sure your light protrudes a small amount as it provides stand-off in the event you’re in a hands on fight with someone on the ground. If you had to do a contact shot the muzzle could get slightly depressed and put the pistol out of battery making it not function. Also the reason we’ve been made to drill shooting a glock with your palm over the rear of the slide to force it shut. Then you have to hand cycle after your shot.
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Money is not free for everyone....

We buy Guns


We buy Lights

We then HOPE to find a holster to fit both

Do you have an example of a G17 you saw?
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Nah! Me I like a G35, convert to 9mm with a 40-9 conversion barrel and put the lightest recoil spring that’ll reliably cycle my loads. The light underneath doesn’t matter.
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Because it is tacticool, totally special ops and navy seal operator to have your light hang out beyound the barrel tip and get it powder blasted.

Most glock mods are.

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A light extending beyond the slide will definitely get flame and powder burns. A few hundred rounds and the damage can be severe.

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I don't let any of my lights protrude past the muzzle. It's a quick way to diminish illumination with powder residue coating the lens.
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A light extending beyond the slide will definitely get flame and powder burns. A few hundred rounds and the damage can be severe.
not in my experience
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Maybe they only have one X300 and have to run it through different pistols? G19, G17 or a G34...?

I for one did a few times in a night/low light matches and/or classes - I sometimes run my TLR-1HL with my G19 or with a G34. I will be taking a class in a few weeks and am planning to run it with a G21SF (G17-length).

But then, I also purchased a TLR7 a few months back and is now a permanent fixture of my G19; while my X300 is a permanent fixture of my 1911.


That said - I don't get the rationale for not being able to figure out the "why?" Does it really matter to you? Or anyone else? Or just a tinge of curiosity?

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Let me know after you run several hundred rounds down the barrel.
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I don't let any of my lights protrude past the muzzle. It's a quick way to diminish illumination with powder residue coating the lens.
This, on my handguns and rifles.
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Let me know after you run several hundred rounds down the barrel.
I've put more than several thousand through glock 19/17 with x300 lights and the black gets slightly dull. As for powder residue on the lens just wipe it off, ingenious. Are you gonna be in a 24 hour low light fire fight.
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Not a G34 owner here but I run both an X300 & TLR-1HL. Both stick out past the barrel of my G19. I could run a G17 so the barrel would look even with the lights, but I like the way the G19 balances better in my hands. Looks don’t mean a thing to me because firearms are tools. Ymmv.


After thousand of rounds with my X300 attached, there’s definitely some scoring on the top but it has no effect on feel or functionality when I shoot. Lens is fine as well.
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After thousand of rounds with my X300 attached, there’s definitely some scoring on the top but it has no effect on feel or functionality when I shoot. Lens is fine as well.
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I've put more than several thousand through glock 19/17 with x300 lights and the black gets slightly dull. As for powder residue on the lens just wipe it off, ingenious. Are you gonna be in a 24 hour low light fire fight.



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The most obvious advantage, as mentioned by deadcoyote, is that the protruding light will prevent the weapon from being pushed out of battery if a contact shot is made.

The scalloped metal bezel of the light could also be an effective blunt impact weapon in close quarters.

In some cases, a shooter may own one good compact pistol and prefer a longer light, such as the SF 300U. Not everyone has the luxury of achieving Feng Shui perfection by mixing and matching the right weapon in their extensive arsenal to the right light. Sometimes you have to let go of that compulsion for gadget to muzzle equity and work with what you've got.

Lastly, muzzle blast will most certainly scorch the top of a light that protrudes beyond the muzzle. The lens will get dirty with soot. So what, it's a tool. You can avoid this sort of wear and tear by never, ever shooting it and keeping it wrapped in crushed velvet, only leaving the safe to show your buddies when they come over for the big game.

Otherwise, it's gonna happen. Surefire's finish is more durable than Streamlight. Streamlight finish is more durable than Olight or Nightstick.
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Most lights that run on CR123s are longer to accommodate the bigger batteries. I prefer lights that run on CR123 batteries because they have the longest runtime. The smallest light I have is a Surefire XC1, which runs on a single AAA. The battery lasts only 30 minutes while my Streamlight TLR-1 runs for at least 2 hours.
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For the longest time I only had one x300 and one TLR-HL that I would alternate between 10-15 handguns. I ran my CZ P01 with a TLR1 sticking out for a night class with rapid fire, the carbon on the lens was never a problem a eraser didn’t take care of before and I never noticed a problem during normal range trips but for the 4 hour night class that had strings of rapid fire, it was annoying having to clean the lens every hour. If I didn’t clean it, it still worked fine but was extremely dimmer. Just picked up a TLR-7 for my compacts like the CZ and G19.

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Also, long slide is not the answer to everything. The extra accuracy one gets is negligible at practical distances and Glocks are not target pistols to begin with, so those searching accuracy will get something with a different trigger and different barrel setup.

Other than accuracy, longer slides will change the balance and "feel" of the gun, but the light will change the balance of the gun much more than tinkering with the slide length. So, quite a few people who put the light on the gun don't really care about the small fine-tuning they can achieve with different slide lengths.
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The debate about mounted lights is usually about the usage - having to point the barrel of the gun at an unknown object/person just to illuminate it, when there is no intent to shoot it (yet, or ever).
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The debate about mounted lights is usually about the usage - having to point the barrel of the gun at an unknown object/person just to illuminate it, when there is no intent to shoot it (yet, or ever).
That debate has already been talked to death, there's absolutely no reason to not have a WML for anything used for defense. Those against a WML that advocate a handheld light make it sound like if you have a WML you're not allowed to use a handheld as well. WML splash light should be able to identify without directly pointing gun at the target until threat has been identified. Or use a handheld light and once a threat has been identify WML comes in to affect. Obviously that's all just my opinion still and there's really no wrong or right answer. But we can make thread #30410 for that discussion
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Why not get a longer slide?
I see guys who clearly have the cash to have a longer slide still choose to run a 17 slide instead of a 34 with their X300 sticking out underneath. Can’t wrap my head around why.
I have a 34 with an X300 and the light still sticks out beyond the slide/barrel. And when I go to the range to shoot, I simply remove the light and put it in my range bag to keep it clean. And if I should forget to do that, I just wipe the little bit of soot off.

And no, having the light on or off the gun makes no difference in my shooting.

I think you are over thinking this.
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Nah! Me I like a G35, convert to 9mm with a 40-9 conversion barrel and put the lightest recoil spring that’ll reliably cycle my loads. The light underneath doesn’t matter.
I'm curious, why not just buy a model 34?
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The real question is-why not buy P320 and it will cover any of you dreams without going to FFL ever again? Long slide, short slide, small grip, big grip, plastic grip, metal grip. On top of it you are getting real icon brand!

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And if you add P365 to P320-you will have another 4 configurations. It is endless possibilities!
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Interesting. That's a new one to me. Thanx.

I just use the same stuff to clean/lube the pistol with. Smear some on the lens and go.
Easy to quick clean as needed. Works more than a few times too.
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Can’t go much longer. Nature of the beast. Not to mention, many holsters will have retention off the light and you can possibly run the same light on multiple platforms with the same holster. Everyone would have to run around with 5.5inch plus guns. TLR and the X300 are the most popular lights for a reason.
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Can’t go much longer. Nature of the beast. Not to mention, many holsters will have retention off the light and you can possibly run the same light on multiple platforms with the same holster. Everyone would have to run around with 5.5inch plus guns. TLR and the X300 are the most popular lights for a reason.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASniUa3wk18

One reason why the light is longer than the slide @ 2:35 mark
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The most obvious advantage, as mentioned by deadcoyote, is that the protruding light will prevent the weapon from being pushed out of battery if a contact shot is made.

The scalloped metal bezel of the light could also be an effective blunt impact weapon in close quarters.

In some cases, a shooter may own one good compact pistol and prefer a longer light, such as the SF 300U. Not everyone has the luxury of achieving Feng Shui perfection by mixing and matching the right weapon in their extensive arsenal to the right light. Sometimes you have to let go of that compulsion for gadget to muzzle equity and work with what you've got.

Lastly, muzzle blast will most certainly scorch the top of a light that protrudes beyond the muzzle. The lens will get dirty with soot. So what, it's a tool. You can avoid this sort of wear and tear by never, ever shooting it and keeping it wrapped in crushed velvet, only leaving the safe to show your buddies when they come over for the big game.

Otherwise, it's gonna happen. Surefire's finish is more durable than Streamlight. Streamlight finish is more durable than Olight or Nightstick.
Good points all around.

My question was more aimed at the people who have the money to blow on a 34 slide but choose to run a 17, which you actually answered so thanks.

I definitely didn't mean to piss anyone off by suggesting they blow money on longer slides and my question was mainly aimed at G17 guys, not G19 guys who don't even have the option of a 17/34 length slide.

For G19 guys I actually understand for concealed carry. Some guys gotta have that short grip but, won't settle for a light under 1000 lumens so that's just the package you end up with.
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Prior Duty weapon (personally owned) was a Gen4 G35 with a Streamlight.

Prior department issued was a Gen3 G22. Light was optional. Mine was issued brand new in 2008 (I turned it in when I went with a personally owned G35).

Last year (2020) Department took back the G3 G22s and issued a Gen5 G17 MOS with Surefire X300. Lights on duty weapons are now mandatory.

I did like the fact that the lens on my light would not get dirty/black when mounted on the longer G35 slide. However, as a practical matter, it is no big deal having it get dirty on the shorter slide, as it takes quite a few rounds to get it dirty enough to notice and it is super easy to wipe. If you keep you light clean and have to deploy you duty weapon, you will run out of bullets before the lens gets dirty enough to notice.

As to having a light protrude past the shorter slide as a stand off device, it is a very low probability that you will get into that situation, however, if you did it would be incredibly helpful.

A good friend of mine had that happen early in his career. He was carrying a Beretta 92 (LA based agency in the early 90's) and got into a very up close and personal gun fight. He luckily grabbed the slide of the bad guy's 1911 as bad guy pulled the trigger next to my buddy's head. 1911 didn't cycle and my buddy placed his Beretta into the bad guy and pulled to the trigger twice, only to hear the sound of hammer falling, but no shot (loudest sound in a gunfight). Luckily he kept pulling the trigger as he got space between bad guy and his gun barrel. 9 shots later, he goes home and bad guys takes a dirt nap. Good outcome
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If your light has powder burns. Buff off with eraser. #2 pencil works great. Then apply light film of chapstick and buff wth Qtip.
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XDm.45 w/TLR-1HL. Same for my G22. Light just barely passes the muzzle. (2) G19s and my VP9 all wear a TLR-7A. Fits perfectly flush with the muzzle.
XDm.45 is my nightstand gun. I like having the extra illumination to light up my hallway without having to point the business end at anyone.
I also like that I can buy (2) TLR-1s for less than (1) X300. I'm not LE or a Tier-1 door kicker. If a X300 is that much better I doubt I'll ever notice the difference based on my usage. I will notice the difference of being able to put a light on two weapons vs one though. I don't take my lights off for the range though either. I want to practice shooting the way the gun will be set up if I grab it in an emergency. Wipe the lights off before they go back in the case for the drive home. No big deal. YMMV. My .02
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I have went the opposite way. Short light on longer slide. Got a Streamlight TLR 7A on a Glock 21. Didn't want the light to go past the slide.

Even then I did notice that after a few hundred rounds the light still gets some carbon on it, maybe just the 45 ACP and Blazer ammo that is a bit dirtier. A quick wipe with my gun cleaner solves that problem easily.

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Ugh, can't believe I read this thread.
You and me both. Since I'm here if anyone is worried about getting powder burns or shout on your lens then yes the light protruding past you barrel is not going to be good for IG or CalGuns pics. For me I could careless if the light is beat up, I just need it to works reliably.
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