The Fix 6.5 Creedmoor

[THE_GR818]

Got a Fix by Q in 6.5cm coming next week. New to LR shooting. Atlas V8 bipod on standby, having difficulty finding Q-sert direct mounts. Need advice on optics, $1500-$2000 range. FFP and mil dot preferred. I have my eye on the Eotech Vudu 5-25x50 mainly due to its size but I'm getting mixed reviews. Planning to shoot from 500-700 yards and work up, doubt I'll even try past 1000 yards. Any other advice for a beginner LR shooter would be much appreciated. Thank you all.

[HAVOC5150]

Night Force NX8 4-32 Mil XT reticle. I’m new to long range and have a range close to me that goes out to 2k. You can find good info on here, but also jump on Snipers Hide forum. Check their px you can find good deals on optics.

[Sir Toast]

1. Nightforce.
2. Nightforce.
3. Athlon
4. Vortex Razor
5. Burris or Bushnell

For my competition rifle, I run a Nighforce BEAST. Love that scope. Tough as hell.

[Whiskey_Tango]

Is this a 16in bbl?

[THE_GR818]

Originally Posted by Whiskey_Tango

Is this a 16in bbl?

Yes

[THE_GR818]

Originally Posted by HAVOC5150

Night Force NX8 4-32 Mil XT reticle. I’m new to long range and have a range close to me that goes out to 2k. You can find good info on here, but also jump on Snipers Hide forum. Check their px you can find good deals on optics.

Noted. That NF sounds good. Dont know if i'll need all that magnification but considering the price and the NF name, i might just jump on that. Made a snipers hide account too. Thank you

[hermosabeach]

check out the sniper 101 series on you tube

it will give you an overload of info.. you can figure out what applies to you when looking at any rifles / accessory


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2XrL7B9-8c



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wBr_brpSYk

SNIPER 101 Part 20 - Effective Reticles and Objective Lens Sizes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53LTp4prwkY
SNIPER 101 Part 19 - Scope Magnification Values

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj76nrVnMOU
SNIPER 101 Part 17 - TOP Sniper Scopes in History - Overview

[hermosabeach]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjRFRcUjf3g
SNIPER 101 Part 57 - Scope Mount and Rings Installation & Discussion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPrHriDWcIk
REVIEW - Unertl, US Optics, Vortex Razor HD - SNIPER 101

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTca3wF35Og
SNIPER 101 Part 14 - Scopes for Extreme Long Range Shooting - Rex Reviews

[THE_GR818]

Originally Posted by hermosabeach

check out the sniper 101 series on you tube

it will give you an overload of info.. you can figure out what applies to you when looking at any rifles / accessory


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2XrL7B9-8c



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wBr_brpSYk

SNIPER 101 Part 20 - Effective Reticles and Objective Lens Sizes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53LTp4prwkY
SNIPER 101 Part 19 - Scope Magnification Values

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj76nrVnMOU
SNIPER 101 Part 17 - TOP Sniper Scopes in History - Overview

This is great, appreciate it man

[hermosabeach]

if you join https://www.precisionrifleseries.com/

they have discounts with many PRS manufactures... bags- brakes- gear -etc



and Sniper's Hide forum has some good info too

[hermosabeach]

Originally Posted by THE_GR818

This is great, appreciate it man

rex chats a lot or maybe too much on the PC its easy to skip ahead...



there is nothing as deflating to me as buying something and then realizing I picked up the wrong gear...


Attend a PRS match- normally some really like minded people... a wide variety of gear.. people are normally very open to questions- what scope did you have before this one? why did you the prior scope?
What bag are you running? etc

buying correctly once is a great feeling...

knowing why you are hitting and knowing why your missing is a great thing...

[THE_GR818]

Originally Posted by hermosabeach

rex chats a lot or maybe too much on the PC its easy to skip ahead...



there is nothing as deflating to me as buying something and then realizing I picked up the wrong gear...


Attend a PRS match- normally some really like minded people... a wide variety of gear.. people are normally very open to questions- what scope did you have before this one? why did you the prior scope?
What bag are you running? etc

buying correctly once is a great feeling...

knowing why you are hitting and knowing why your missing is a great thing...

Well put. Thanks for everything

[HAVOC5150]

Originally Posted by THE_GR818

Noted. That NF sounds good. Dont know if i'll need all that magnification but considering the price and the NF name, i might just jump on that. Made a snipers hide account too. Thank you

I don’t need it either, I was shooting at 1150 with an 18” 6.5 cm making hits and never went above 12X. It’s always nice having the extra power for observation purposes. I have the tremor 3 reticle and wish I would have went with the Mil XT. Also StrelokPro app is a good purchase.

[Bete Noire]

Zero Compromise Optics 4-20x


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[HAVOC5150]

Originally Posted by Bete Noire

Zero Compromise Optics 4-20x


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Amazing optic, but no where near the $1500-$2000 range.

[THE_GR818]

Thanks for your input everyone, I really do appreciate it. I got a good deal from another calgunner on a eotech vudu 3.5-18x50 so that's that. Now let's talk mounts; stuck between the scalarworks LEAP, geissele super precision, the adm recon or maybe the bobro standard precision mount. I like the scalarworks for the weight and leveling device built into it. I have experience with the geissele sp mounts, running one on a radian mod1 right now, like it a lot. I keep hearing about how amazing the adm recon is at keeping zero after being unmounted. I would prefer a QD system and i will be removing the mount/optic often as i travel with the rig. If anyone has experience with any of these mounts, i'd love to hear your opinion. Thanks again

[mtenenhaus]

i have the ADM quick detach mount....it's worked out well for me and i'm not disapointed in the mount however, were i to do it over i'm not sure the quick detach function is all that worthwhile.

I say this because prior to shooting i like to confirm that the base nuts are properly torqued...so from a practical perspective a standard single unit fixed mount ends up working the same and costing less.

Regardless of the system you ultimately choose, i like to mark with a drop of paint the forward and rearward extent of where the mount locates on the picatinny rail so it's quick/easy and repeatable.

glad you didn't end up with mil-dots.....not a big fan, i understand some prefer it for a hunting platform using commercial ammunition but for long range shooting where one might often alter loads it can in my experience prove to be a bit challenging

don't forget a good shooting bag

[waveslayer]

Originally Posted by THE_GR818

Got a Fix by Q in 6.5cm coming next week. New to LR shooting. Atlas V8 bipod on standby, having difficulty finding Q-sert direct mounts. Need advice on optics, $1500-$2000 range. FFP and mil dot preferred. I have my eye on the Eotech Vudu 5-25x50 mainly due to its size but I'm getting mixed reviews. Planning to shoot from 500-700 yards and work up, doubt I'll even try past 1000 yards. Any other advice for a beginner LR shooter would be much appreciated. Thank you all.

For that money get a used Night Force, you can find a bunch on the Hide for sale.

As for tips? What are you looking for?
Get a level , know how to load a Bipod, learn proper shooting position and Natural point of aim.
List goes on and on.

Get a tripod next to open up your world do more shooting

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[Tommy Gun]

If you only shooting out to 700 maybe further later, no reason to break the bank. Athlon, burris and vortex. Spend 5 to 800 and save the rest for whatever else you want. Expensive doesnt always mean best. Hell you think Atlas spends more then $50 making thier bipod. Good gear is nice and it's ok the splurge but you really dont have to.

[waveslayer]

Buy once cry once

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[THE_GR818]

Originally Posted by waveslayer

For that money get a used Night Force, you can find a bunch on the Hide for sale.

As for tips? What are you looking for?
Get a level , know how to load a Bipod, learn proper shooting position and Natural point of aim.
List goes on and on.

Get a tripod next to open up your world do more shooting

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I got a eotech vudu 3.5-18x50 FFP from another calgunner and i also ordered a NF ATACR 5-25x56 SFP for hunting. Bipod is an atlas v8 bt10, pretty familiar w those, just cant mount it yet bc finding the direct mount for the Q rifle is hard but i backordered it through Q, dont know when i'll get it. Those sniper 101 rex videos from like 8 years ago that were mentioned above are actually perfect and answer all my questions, im on part 18. Will shoot bench and prone first and eventually get a tripod. Wont hunt with this rig until next year. Didnt realize how complex LR shooting was until watching those yt videos.

[waveslayer]

Originally Posted by THE_GR818

I got a eotech vudu 3.5-18x50 FFP from another calgunner and i also ordered a NF ATACR 5-25x56 SFP for hunting. Bipod is an atlas v8 bt10, pretty familiar w those, just cant mount it yet bc finding the direct mount for the Q rifle is hard but i backordered it through Q, dont know when i'll get it. Those sniper 101 rex videos from like 8 years ago that were mentioned above are actually perfect and answer all my questions, im on part 18. Will shoot bench and prone first and eventually get a tripod. Wont hunt with this rig until next year. Didnt realize how complex LR shooting was until watching those yt videos.

I'd sell one of those scopes and use what you practice with. It is all new , but will become second nature. I hardly dial anymore when shooting so FFP for me. With bipod mount get a Harris just as good as Atlas. How's the accuracy and action on the Q, I haven't heard good reviews which steered me away. Tripod for hunting is crucial if you hunt with a spotting scope. I throw my rifle on it and go to town!

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[THE_GR818]

Originally Posted by mtenenhaus

i have the ADM quick detach mount....it's worked out well for me and i'm not disapointed in the mount however, were i to do it over i'm not sure the quick detach function is all that worthwhile.

I say this because prior to shooting i like to confirm that the base nuts are properly torqued...so from a practical perspective a standard single unit fixed mount ends up working the same and costing less.

Regardless of the system you ultimately choose, i like to mark with a drop of paint the forward and rearward extent of where the mount locates on the picatinny rail so it's quick/easy and repeatable.

glad you didn't end up with mil-dots.....not a big fan, i understand some prefer it for a hunting platform using commercial ammunition but for long range shooting where one might often alter loads it can in my experience prove to be a bit challenging

don't forget a good shooting bag

Pretty sure im sold on the adm recon mounts. The rifle's already very light, about 6.5lbs unloaded, can afford a little extra weight on accessories. Total weight with a loaded 5 round mag, optic/mount and bipod will be around 10lbs, which im happy with. Main reason i care for QD is because i will be swapping/removing the optics often, otherwise i agree w what you said. Ty

[THE_GR818]

Originally Posted by waveslayer

I'd sell one of those scopes and use what you practice with. It is all new , but will become second nature. I hardly dial anymore when shooting so FFP for me. With bipod mount get a Harris just as good as Atlas. How's the accuracy and action on the Q, I haven't heard good reviews which steered me away. Tripod for hunting is crucial if you hunt with a spotting scope. I throw my rifle on it and go to town!

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Picking up the rifle next week, got it thru a gunbroker auction. The atlas bipod i've had for a while, run it on some other guns too. Really like the build quality and how sturdy they are.

[waveslayer]

Originally Posted by THE_GR818

Picking up the rifle next week, got it thru a gunbroker auction. The atlas bipod i've had for a while, run it on some other guns too. Really like the build quality and how sturdy they are.

Report back on it

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[THE_GR818]

Originally Posted by waveslayer

Report back on it

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Will do

[THE_GR818]

Finally got my fix. A good buddy of mine send me a q sert direct mount for the atlas bt10. Eotech vudu 3.5-18x50 on an ADM Recon-SL qd mount. Will be using a cole tac big boss rear bag. Shooting hornady ELD match 129 and 140gr and nosler 140gr accubond trophy grade.Will post groups if you guys are interested once i get out to the range next week . Thanks for everything everyone

[THE_GR818]

One more pic w stock folded and optic/mount torqued down and leveled. Enjoy

[Dooder]

Woo! That's a pretty nice rig.

[THE_GR818]

Originally Posted by Dooder

Woo! That's a pretty nice rig.

Thanks Mark, appreciate you brother. That vudu found its permanent home

[Fjold]

Originally Posted by Whiskey_Tango

Is this a 16in bbl?

Originally Posted by THE_GR818

Yes

I'm curious what kind of velocity you will get with the standard 6.5 Creed loads out of the short barrel.

The ballistics data for the 6.5 Creedmoor is usually based on 24" barrels so you are going to lose 300 - 400 fps with the shorter barrel. This will increase the drop and wind deflection at 1,000 yards to 308 Win level performance, negating all the advantages of the Creed except for the reduced recoil.

[THE_GR818]

Originally Posted by Fjold

I'm curious what kind of velocity you will get with the standard 6.5 Creed velocities out of the short barrel.

The ballistics data for the 6.5 Creedmoor is usually based on 24" barrels so you are going to lose 300 - 400 fps with the shorter barrel. This will increase the drop and wind deflection at 1,000 yards to 308 Win level performance, negating all the advantages of the Creed except for the reduced recoil.

Still havent had a chance to take this thing out. Will update. Bidding on a 24" proof carbon barrel as we speak.

[HAVOC5150]

Originally Posted by Fjold

I'm curious what kind of velocity you will get with the standard 6.5 Creed velocities out of the short barrel.

The ballistics data for the 6.5 Creedmoor is usually based on 24" barrels so you are going to lose 300 - 400 fps with the shorter barrel. This will increase the drop and wind deflection at 1,000 yards to 308 Win level performance, negating all the advantages of the Creed except for the reduced recoil.

Shooting factory Hornady match 147’s out of an 18” Tikka I was getting 2522 FPS.

Side note, I have a 26” Proof CF blank if you’re interested.

[Fjold]

Originally Posted by HAVOC5150

Shooting factory Hornady match 147’s out of an 18” Tikka I was getting 2522 FPS.

Side note, I have a 26” Proof CF blank if you’re interested.

That's less than 200 fps under slower than the factory loads but you may be loading to higher pressures. You also have 2" more barrel than the OP's rifle so he'll lose a little more. At standard temperature and pressure, you're looking at 34 minutes of drop at 1,000 yards and 7 minutes with a 10 mph wind.

[sigstroker]

I've seen where a guy replaced a factory Tikka barrel with a high quality hand-lapped one that was the same length and picked up over 100 fps.