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Old 11-18-2021, 11:09 PM
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But, once again, we are drifting from the thread topic; though I have attempted to keep it tied in. So, I suggest we take this to a different thread [PMs] if you want to continue in this vein.
^^^FIFY^^^

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You shooting for a personal record or what?
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Old 11-18-2021, 11:47 PM
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^^^FIFY^^^

Forcing every other forum member to make 15 full rolls of their scroll wheels. Just to get past YOUR LAST POST goes far beyond "WALL OF TEXT" EVEN FOR YOU!

You shooting for a personal record or what?
Just addressing the issues presented directly to me; which is why I suggested we take this to another thread in that we have drifted away from the thread topic appreciably, though not entirely.

Now you invite me to add even more to the thread without actually addressing the topic?

BTW: Not my longest response and, as I have said, numerous times, it takes more than bumper sticker and/or Twitter length posts to unwind what was said and address it. Which, again, is why such discourse, should be taken to another thread, more in line with what is being promoted, in that it is becoming increasingly difficult to stay on topic due to the drift which has occurred and that you are now contributing to.
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Old 11-19-2021, 12:17 AM
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Just addressing the issues presented directly to me; which is why I suggested we take this to another thread in that we have drifted away from the thread topic appreciably, though not entirely.

Now you invite me to add even more to the thread without actually addressing the topic?

BTW: Not my longest response and, as I have said, numerous times, it takes more than bumper sticker and/or Twitter length posts to unwind what was said and address it. Which, again, is why such discourse, should be taken to another thread, more in line with what is being promoted, in that it is becoming increasingly difficult to stay on topic due to the drift which has occurred and that you are now contributing to.
Deflect blame onto others, all you want. Your keyboard compulsion remains all yours. The only thing I invited you to do, is take your 10,000 word waste of bandwidth to PMs.
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Old 11-19-2021, 9:42 AM
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I don't know if my analysis is better than that of others on this thread, but I can summarize it in fewer words:
1. Strict scrutiny explicitly allows courts to "balance" your Second Amendment rights against the government's "compelling interest" in finding an unending number of ways and reasons to restrict those rights
2. THT makes it harder (but certainly not impossible) for courts to twist and stretch to restrict gun rights
3. Once the Supreme Court sets out the details of how THT applies in a specific context, that interpretation of THT is established and binding on lower courts
4. To the extent the Supreme Court has not addressed specific details, the lower courts have some flexibility in applying THT to cases raising those specific details.
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Old 11-19-2021, 10:07 AM
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Thank you, stoogesvc.
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Old 11-19-2021, 11:10 PM
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^^^FIFY^^^

Forcing every other forum member to make 15 full rolls of their scroll wheels. Just to get past YOUR LAST POST goes far beyond "WALL OF TEXT" EVEN FOR YOU!

You shooting for a personal record or what?
Just put him on your ignore list. Makes life a lot simpler.
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Old 11-20-2021, 3:32 PM
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SCOTUS is releasing one or more opinions on Monday.
So in fantasy world...

Its 5-4 with Roberts in the 4. so Thomas gets to write the opinion.
He's really pissed off its taken so long to hear a 2a case...
He already wrote his opinion pre-emptively, so its ready now...

So its a scathing opinion saying some means of carry is required EVERYWHERE. The only sensitive places are places with 100% invasive screening and armed guards. No restrictions on weapon type are allowed.
If the military can have it so can the populace...
NFA is toast...

It will be here Monday at 10Am.

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Old 11-20-2021, 4:32 PM
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...Thomas gets to write the opinion.
He's really pissed off its taken so long to hear a 2a case...
He already wrote his opinion pre-emptively, so its ready now...
I actually believe that part. I bet he's had an opinion in his files for years. I hope that his impatience links with the idea that justice delayed is justice denied and in the immortal words of Bruce Buffer, "IT'S TIME!' I HOPE that whoever writes it foresees all the other BS tricks that will be used to obstruct our rights and writes a very directive opinion that forecloses all or most of them.
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Old 11-21-2021, 6:59 AM
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SCOTUS is releasing one or more opinions on Monday.
So in fantasy world...

Its 5-4 with Roberts in the 4. so Thomas gets to write the opinion.
He's really pissed off its taken so long to hear a 2a case...
He already wrote his opinion pre-emptively, so its ready now...

So
While I too will pray to God that Thomas writes the opinion, Roberts would likely vote with the other five conservatives simply so he could prevent Thomas from writing the opinion. Roberts is primarily concerned with the image of the court and his ‘legacy’ as Chief Justice, so he would want to steer the opinion into a centrist and narrow interpretation. And its very likely the opinion won’t come until the very end of this term.
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Old 11-21-2021, 10:44 AM
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That’s not really how it works. The opinion Roberts would write must get at least 4 others to sign on to the opinion.

If Roberts were to vote with a pro-2nd Amendment 6-3 majority and write a weak opinion, the other 5 would write or join a much stronger majority opinion and Roberts’ opinion becomes a concurring opinion.
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Old 11-21-2021, 10:47 AM
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Thatís not really how it works. The opinion Roberts would write must get at least 4 others to sign on to the opinion.

If Roberts were to vote with a pro-2nd Amendment 6-3 majority and write a weak opinion, the other 5 would write or join a much stronger majority opinion and Robertsí opinion becomes a concurring opinion.
^^^^THIS^^^

The system is designed so that the Justice authoring a majority opinion is not able to use the opportunity as a "Bully Pulpit."
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Old 11-21-2021, 1:46 PM
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^^^^THIS^^^

The system is designed so that the Justice authoring a majority opinion is not able to use the opportunity as a "Bully Pulpit."

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Old 11-21-2021, 2:02 PM
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SCOTUS is releasing one or more opinions on Monday.
So in fantasy world...
Too soon.

Even if the conservatives are in lock step, they will want to make sure each of their discrete and nuanced evaluations is represented. The liberals will lobby to soften and tailor the remarks and try to narrow the decision. Then they will spend a great deal of time writing the opposition statement to challenge every thesis posited in the majority opinion.

This will take a while.
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Old 11-21-2021, 2:08 PM
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Too soon.

Even if the conservatives are in lock step, they will want to make sure each of their discrete and nuanced evaluations is represented. The liberals will lobby to soften and tailor the remarks and try to narrow the decision. Then they will spend a great deal of time writing the opposition statement to challenge every thesis posited in the majority opinion.

This will take a while.
^^^ALSO THIS^^^^

There is a lot of "massaging" that goes into the writing of an opinion, both to integrate, and balance, the opinions of the majority, and to address the dissenting opinions. This one is probably gonna require more of that effort than most. Look for it to come out at the end of the term.
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There is a lot of "massaging" that goes into the writing of an opinion, both to integrate, and balance, the opinions of the majority, and to address the dissenting opinions. This one is probably gonna require more of that effort than most. Look for it to come out at the end of the term.
That'd be June, 2022, five months before the mid-terms. Given the Court's disposition on not being seen to interfere in elections, sometimes I wonder if an earlier release might be too much to wish for.
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That'd be June, 2022, five months before the mid-terms. Given the Court's disposition on not being seen to interfere in elections, sometimes I wonder if an earlier release might be too much to wish for.
The Court isnít going to prioritize its opinion releases based on future election dates. Arguably more volatile is the Texas abortion case.
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The opinion released was Mississippi v. Tennessee, about pumping water from the Middle Claiborne Aquifer.

Gun rights are substantially less important to SCOTUS and will take their own time to materialize.
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Old 11-22-2021, 1:26 PM
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The decision was 9-0 so probably easy to write and get agreement.
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The decision was 9-0 so probably easy to write and get agreement.
That's why the big contested cases get decided last. They don't just write an opinion, they have to respond to those who didn't join in their opinion.
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Old 11-28-2021, 1:59 PM
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But, once again, we are drifting from the thread topic; though I have attempted to keep it tied in. So, I suggest we take this to a different thread if you want to continue in this vein.
New thread started on the subject here: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1760468

I figured we could start "fresh", now that we've had some discussion on it, rather than merely continuing where we are here. Maybe the result will have greater clarity. Knowing how we both are, I suspect we'll both be posting walls of text, because that's how we both are, but it'll be fun regardless.
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Old 12-03-2021, 4:25 PM
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Any updates from the court? I looked at the new thread but its just more literal turd drinkers spewing their turd filled thoughts who don't bother to focus on anything but pure hair brained hypotheticals.
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The Court isnít going to prioritize its opinion releases based on future election dates. Arguably more volatile is the Texas abortion case.
Oral arguments in this case were scheduled for the day after the NYC mayoral election. I'm certain they scheduled that way so that whatever happened at oral arguments would not become an issue in the election.

It looks like NY hasn't scheduled it's 2022 primary election yet. My bet would be that they release this decision the Monday after that election. Again, this is so that it doesn't become a last-minute disrupter of the election dynamic.

https://ballotpedia.org/New_York_elections,_2022

However, that may not work during a redistricting year. In 2012, New York didn't finalize it's maps until March of 2012. The primary election was September 2012, with the general election in November.

While contentious, I don't think this needs to be one that's saved until June. Sometimes they lump them all into June to get the controversial decisions out the door before going on summer vacation.

I'm sure that they will wait until after January 1st however, so that NYC has a new mayor as does Seattle and some other important races. This is one they won't hand to the incumbents to mess with on their way out.
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Oral arguments in this case were scheduled for the day after the NYC mayoral election. I'm certain they scheduled that way so that whatever happened at oral arguments would not become an issue in the election.

It looks like NY hasn't scheduled it's 2022 primary election yet. My bet would be that they release this decision the Monday after that election. Again, this is so that it doesn't become a last-minute disrupter of the election dynamic.

https://ballotpedia.org/New_York_elections,_2022

However, that may not work during a redistricting year. In 2012, New York didn't finalize it's maps until March of 2012. The primary election was September 2012, with the general election in November.

While contentious, I don't think this needs to be one that's saved until June. Sometimes they lump them all into June to get the controversial decisions out the door before going on summer vacation.

I'm sure that they will wait until after January 1st however, so that NYC has a new mayor as does Seattle and some other important races. This is one they won't hand to the incumbents to mess with on their way out.
It's such a political way to prove being apolitical...
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… Arguably more volatile is the Texas abortion case.
I was looking at SCOTUS’ calendar for June and in the last week there is only activity on Monday, the 27th. It’s a Non Argument Day, so it’s perfect for releasing opinions. But then I realized the same thing Dvrjon said: abortion is a far hotter topic than Bearing Arms. So while they still may release it on the 27th, I now doubt it. My guess is earlier in June, but I’d love to be surprised by an even earlier release.

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I was looking at SCOTUSí calendar for June and in the last week there is only activity on Monday, the 27th. Itís a Non Argument Day, so itís perfect for releasing opinions. But then I realized the same thing Dvrjon said: abortion is a far hotter topic than Bearing Arms. So while they still may release it on the 27th, I now doubt it. My guess is earlier in June, but Iíd love to be surprised by an even earlier release.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/

Does SCOTUS have to be IN SESSION to release opinions?
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I was looking at SCOTUSí calendar for June and in the last week there is only activity on Monday, the 27th. Itís a Non Argument Day, so itís perfect for releasing opinions. But then I realized the same thing Dvrjon said: abortion is a far hotter topic than Bearing Arms. So while they still may release it on the 27th, I now doubt it. My guess is earlier in June, but Iíd love to be surprised by an even earlier release.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/

I think they can release multiple cases in one day. Even so, the last few days of the session will likely have our case released.
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Yes. In fact, it reads its opinions in open court.
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Yes. In fact, it reads its opinions in open court.
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Yes. In fact, it reads its opinions in open court.
Really? So the entirety of the Heller opinion was read aloud? Wow.

I wonder if, as its being read (by the author of the opinion, I assume) they have moments like I did during an oral report....and hearing the actual words come out, think, oooh..maybe I should have worded that differently, made it more clear.....

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If they release any opinion late June, then the 4th of July may be more of a celebration.
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