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Old 05-17-2019, 7:07 PM
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Default Youtube: How to buy ammo online/COE+FFL03

The Youtuber Reno May, has made a quick vid on why you should get your FFL03 and COE. With the recent posts asking about this, I thought I would share. He has helpful links in the video description.
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Old 05-17-2019, 9:17 PM
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Tagged, good vid. Time to stop dragging my feet and burning through my reserves.
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Excellent video. Bookmarked.

I’m hoping to have my live scan completed next week.
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Will watch this. Thanks!
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This loop hole will be closed sooner then later
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The only exception is a city municiple code that would prevent it...e.g. city of los angeles prevents it and many will not ship to your 03FFL/COE if you reside in the city of LA.

I am hopeful that the Rhodes lawsuit will prevail and this whole thing "enjoined from enforcement"
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Couple of problems I see, one is the IRS will consider you a business with your FFL and they do not allow you to use a FFL for a hobby. You will have to keep a bound book for gun transactions and report to IRS for the tax side of it, don't make a profit for 3-5 years they gonna not like it. The state of Calif side of this I have no clue anymore but the Franchise Tax Board (maybe a new name now?) ain't gonna let you do business without the proper stuff. Maybe this will work or at least for a while but it wouldn't work when I had my FFL. If it does work then more power to ya.
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This loop hole will be closed sooner then later
Sure, someone politician might call it that. But I think it's easy to dispel and the political payoff crusading against it is next to nothing.
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Couple of problems I see, one is the IRS will consider you a business with your FFL and they do not allow you to use a FFL for a hobby. You will have to keep a bound book for gun transactions and report to IRS for the tax side of it, don't make a profit for 3-5 years they gonna not like it. The state of Calif side of this I have no clue anymore but the Franchise Tax Board (maybe a new name now?) ain't gonna let you do business without the proper stuff. Maybe this will work or at least for a while but it wouldn't work when I had my FFL. If it does work then more power to ya.
the ffl type 3 is a collectors license....not a business license....
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Couple of problems I see, one is the IRS will consider you a business with your FFL and they do not allow you to use a FFL for a hobby. You will have to keep a bound book for gun transactions and report to IRS for the tax side of it, don't make a profit for 3-5 years they gonna not like it. The state of Calif side of this I have no clue anymore but the Franchise Tax Board (maybe a new name now?) ain't gonna let you do business without the proper stuff. Maybe this will work or at least for a while but it wouldn't work when I had my FFL. If it does work then more power to ya.
Yes, this is not a business and BATF states in the regs and license that you cannot conduct a business/for profit with this classification.
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Sure, someone politician might call it that. But I think it's easy to dispel and the political payoff crusading against it is next to nothing.
I agree with you.
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First off letís get this straight this is not a loophole. Itís written right in the law that was passed per ammo regulations
Yes. Passed by the legislature and the voters both.

It is beyond my area of knowledge, but I suspect there must be some sort of view / written opinion / case law that makes it clear that failure to provide an exemption for federal firearms licensees who also hold a CA certificate of exemption proves fatal to various firearms related laws? Would love for someone to make it clear to me.

The CoE + FFL license exemption runs through a fair number of CA laws. I've wondered if, since the underlying "reasoning" for a fair number of laws that might be seen to infringe the 2A relates to keeping certain items out of reach from prohibited persons, to deny those items or actions to those persons who have demonstrated to the feds and state that they are not prohibited would imperil the entire law.

Again, would love to understand why this seems prevalent in even restrictive lawmakers' views.

In any event, it is not a "loophole" when it is affirmatively written into the law. Someone *decided* that the exemption was prudent or required; it wasn't overlooked.
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They will see it same as "ghost guns".

Someone ordering 10,000 rounds at a time and "giving" some to friends. Just like mag rebuild kits.

Use it while it lasts.

If we would just stop fighting all these laws and let them ban it all we could really take the fight to courts and stop nickel and diming this crap.

Instead we all.cheer when there is some "exemption/loophole"... sse/mag rebuilds/off roster out of state/BB/featureless...

Ban them all..lets take a few years to fight this instead of piece meal over 30 + years which is where we are now
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What disappoints me is that people need a video to tell them how to do this. There have been plenty of written posts documenting how this all works.
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Regardless of how you or I see the various prohibitions in California law (buying directly, "giving" ammo to friends), how do mag rebuild kits even approach an analogy that enlightens in this instance?

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If we would just stop fighting all these laws and let them ban it all we could really take the fight to courts and stop nickel and diming this crap.
I myself wouldn't endorse "stop fighting" these laws until we can really take the fight to the courts. The courts, whatever their predilections, are going to decide based on law and upper-court decisions, and the best we can do is keep the pressure on with thoughtful, well-articulated arguments. There may be strategy in waiting for more controlling opinions or the right fact pattern for a test case, but waiting until they've gone 'beyond the pale' hasn't really produced a lot of positive benefits for us in the 9th circuit. The roster is still on appeal, for example.

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Ban them all..lets take a few years to fight this instead of piece meal over 30 + years which is where we are now
Who is cheering? People are using the law to exercise rights as best they are able to under existing law - and at the same time, challenging those same laws as unconstitutional and an infringement of their rights.

Why do you think PPT / off-roster sales are possible? Is it because the legislators in CA want to permit the sale of these firearms? Or is it perhaps because it is widely recognized (now) that restricting the private sale from one resident to another is beyond the reach of the legislature?

If you think that a challenge to a law that "really, really, really infringes" as opposed to one that "just barely infringes" a right is so all powerful, perhaps you can reference an example? It might attract the attention of the US Supreme Court when it is egregious (and that's a good thing), but does giving a pass to piecemeal infringements really serve us in California or other restrictive states? I like that there are numerous 9th circuit opinions that will be embarrassing eventually (i.e., not be supportable) after a favorable SC opinion on the 2A (Jackson, Peruta, for example ought to be rendered embarrassing to the majority); and the knots that the 9th circuit has tied itself into following various challenges highlights why putting a challenge on record illuminates the discussion around the rights of the people.

I don't think a strategy of "wait, wait, wait . . . wait . . . now - MAGIC BULLET!" is a great litigation strategy. You may have another view. But I don't understand it if you do - please enlighten me and others.
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Reno if you're reading this I like the freedom week mag vid, on the carpet in the living room and all lol. love it!
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