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Yes then what will work I was going to use the same thing since I go in the country a lot. Figured protecting daughter aginst Mountain Lion attack would help. |
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my house literally backs the cleveland national forest...i can be walking on my sidewalk, taking out trash...then hear/see coyotes and other animals out and about...im not charging into the wilderness,mthe wilderness is going into my neighborhood...then what?
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I'd suggest you call the Sheriff's office and see what they think about your GC statement... But, I'd try to come up with something different. Think "protection of property".. Yeah, it's kinda dumb that you can get a LTC for the protection of property (something that you can't claim self-defense on), but NOT for personal protection (something you CAN claim the right to self-defense on). Bank deposits, transporting expensive equipment, expensive tools, valuable items, etc.. I think (correct me if I'm wrong?) you might be able to claim that you shoot at ranges a LOT and you need to protect the guns themselves from being taken while going to/from the range. |
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"They don't have a problem with guns.. They just don't want YOU to have a gun..." - Comment made at my CCW class by Bill Murphy.. Kinda appropriate here. |
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So let me get this straight. Your saying we can talk to the CCW deputy and give our GCS a dry run on the phone? They aren't gonna give us some backlash saying we are wasting their time? I tried that before with OC and got shut down asap. If so I'm making the call tomorrow! I actually have to do a follow up call with them for my C & R FFL. The deputy I talked to about that seemed really nice.
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But, yeah.. The deputies are great.. Talk to them. They're pretty easy going.. |
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2. can you submit multiple GCS and hope one of them works? thanks for all your help
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2. Yes, you can include as many items in your GC as you like. I was told the more you have, the better. "Protection of property" is NOT a valid basis for forming GC. It is not the property itself that you are protecting. You are protecting yourself from the threat and danger created by possessing the property. In other words, protection from the bad guy that would harm you to take your property. |
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Think about the things you have with you on a day-to-day basis (like an iPhone, iPad, currency, tools, etc..) that might make you more of a target to a criminal than someone else who doesn't carry that stuff. Also, it needs to be something you "need" to carry.. So, if you *need* to carry a computer for your work, then perhaps that's a reason you might be targeted by a criminal. |
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1: I work at a Major retail store, the departments I work in contain 1000's of dollars worth of merchandise. including jewelry and clothing. Not to mention the money in the registers.
2:I go hiking on a weekly basis and statistics are showing that mountain lion and coyote attacks are on the rise and if I was attacked I would be hours away from the closest help IF I could get in contact with them in the first place. 3: I have coyotes on my property on a regular basis. (this is true FYI) I am afraid to take the trash out at night/ be out of my home, because I can hear the packs hunting in the field next to my home and sometimes on my property, but cant see them. 4: My mother works as a traveling sales rep and when she goes on sales trips I usually go along as a driver. When we take these trips we carry 100's if not 1000's of dollars worth of merchandise with use for demonstration or sales. I was gonna type these up and use them. How do they sound to you?
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That's because it's not San Berdoo.
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I can tell you that you should definitely eliminate the parts related to wild animals. FYI, you are allowed to CCW on your own property without a permit. And they will tell you to not go hiking if you are afraid of animal attacks. That is an avoidable circumstance. I'm not sure about the retail store thing. You will probably have to expound on exactly why that puts you at risk outside of being at the store location. You will also be required to have your employer sign an employer notification form, letting them know that you are applying for the permit. Does your mother work for someone, or is she self-employed. If she works for someone, and you are not actually employed by them, it may complicate matters. The more I think through scenarios like yours, the more I really HATE California. It shouldn't be this difficult to be able to protect ourselves. I know........I'm preaching to the choir. Sigh. |
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if u are with-in your property lines, couldnt one carry loaded open or ccw?
lots of things to learn and study...
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But I am probably wrong.
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So that is my problem, as my property is partially fenced but also open at the back and at the front. Its a weird setup
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well OK...that makes a lot of california sense...carry loaded with in a fence but not when theres no fence...***** backwards
on top of that u cant use wildlife as a GCS....no wonder tons of people carry without a LTC
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The idea is that if you dont have a reasonable expectation of privacy then it is "public"?
At least that's how I see it. I might be wrong.
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The idea is that if you dont have a reasonable expectation of privacy then it is "public"?
At least that's how I see it. I might be wrong.
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I believe it is the barrier to public access, not privacy...
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They renumbered the laws and I don't have time to go digging right now, but here is the gist from memory:
- You can carry a concealed firearm anywhere on your property or residence - You can "have" a loaded firearm anywhere on your property or residence but you can't necessarily be carrying it. You can thank case law for that fine distinction. - You can't have a loaded firearm in "public" areas within city limits or outside city limits if the county has a ban on shooting for that portion of the county. So if the portion of your property in question is such that a reasonable person in the public would not perceive a barrier to entry or passage, then you could carry unloaded and concealed. If said area had some form of barrier (fence, dog, no legitimate reason to enter, etc.) you could carry loaded and concealed. I've yet to bother reading the newish UOC law, so I can't comment on open carry.
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<sigh> Still no CCW here.. Still waiting on the gears to turn.
Had my interview on March 5, so, I guess it's only actually been a bit over a month... But, still.. Having to wait to actually be allowed to use your 2nd amendment rights stinks. |
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Plan on waiting two more months. That seems to be the norm. The wait sucks, but the ill feelings seem to go away quickly once the permit is in your hand.
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So should we figure 5 months for the whole process? What happens if you move during the wait? do you have to apply again? I might be moving into san diego county sometime this year and don't want to waste time & money
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Not sure if they would continue processing of your application if you moved during the application process. Best if you call the CCW Unit and ask. |
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what exactly entails the entire process from start to end? and 5months is def quite a while for u to able to excersice our RIGHTS!
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http://www.riversidesheriff.org/pdf/ccw-rso.pdf See page 2 for details of the process. Figure 2 months to get through the live scan, qual, and class. This is mostly due to the scheduling limitations. Then approx 3 months for admin to review the applications in batches. |
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The process takes time. Several counties are
5-7 months average - even those that are pro issue. Stay positive and follow the process and it should work for you.
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Hopefully the CGF will smack the Riverside CCW unit into compliance with the law soon.
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Here's the quandry: The CCW unit is way under-staffed for the amount of work they have to do and the number of applicants being processed. The way I see it, there are only two solutions to this problem. 1. Hire more staff. However, since most of this state is suffering budget cuts due to being broke, I am assuming that it is not within the budget to hire more people. 2. Make CCW shall issue, and eliminate the BS. Issuance would happen quickly upon completion of the background check, eliminating much of the current process. However, most of CA doesn't seem too fond of this idea. I guess the same quandry could apply to CGF. There are so many bigger things happening right now, and they have limited resources. Riverside's 90-day non-compliance is probably not even on the radar. |
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not bad at all...congrats
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