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So a couple of comments about Front sight and the level of training offered in the 4 day handgun class. I must say the quality is pretty high compared to what I went through today for my CCW class today.
Even what front sight sent out for the Florida CCW training had more real life info to use than what was supplied for information. Then seeing what qualifies as competent versus what Front Sight does was surprising. In short, I liked Front Sight to begin with but value the training even more when stacked up against what else is out there. |
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Well, we can talk about classes we signed up for.
I have a 1-day Precision Rifle Fundamentals followed by 4-day Precision Rifle when FS opens up. Brand new bolt action rifle too. I better iron out all the kinks in a couple of months. .
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Jedi,
I am extremely jealous. If only I lived in NV, and was retired, and had a lot of money for ammo, and my kids were not still in school, and.... Well, just say I am jealous... |
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Heck, yesterday was the first time in over a month that sgammo.com had any 9mm in stock and it was 30 cents a round. |
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Hello,
Could anyone tell me if there is a trigger pull weight limit in the Rifle Marksmanship class? The Practical Rifle is listed as 4 lb minimum but I don't see a minimum for the Marksmanship class. Thank you for any insight. |
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With that said, there is some subjectivity with each inspector. Some will let you slide with light triggers and some will pull out the trigger pull gauge and send you to the armorer for a $300 butt reaming. If you shoot an AR, carry a spare lower with a 4 lb trigger just in case you don’t pass. .
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Beans2 is correct 4# trigger required as all go through weapons inspection. 4# is manageable. Optics, Good ammo, and having your rifle sights in at 50 yards will Be your biggest help. You won’t sight in till the second day IIRC.
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Good afternoon!
Since I still have to take the 4D Practical Rifle class, am looking for suggestions, etc. Background: I am right-handed by LEFT-eye dominant. As such, I shoot handguns right-handed but using my left-eye. However, I use long guns (carbines, shotguns, etc.) left-handed! A few reasons - (1) I cannot keep both eyes open to focus on my right non-dominant eye on the scope and (2) I also cannot close my dominant left-eye so I can focus on my right non-dominant eye. Since manipulations are part of the test, I am concerned of being disadvantaged by being left-handed with a right-handed firearm. A few options that I could think of are:
BTW, my AR15 is a stock Spike's Tactical Crusader made CA-compliant with a Thordsen Type 2 fixed length stock and a Vortex Strike Eagle 1-6x24 usually set at 3x. Thanks in advanced! PS: I tried posting the same question in another online FS group - and some of the responses drove me nuts, ie., "iron sights are sufficient," "train as you'd fight," "put in the time to practice," etc. OR they go about suggesting their favorite optics and/or red-dot. Please none of those... Thanks! _ Last edited by rodralig; 07-18-2020 at 11:19 AM.. |
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I have the same situation - right handed, left eye dominant. I have learned to shoot rifles left handed. I have found some advantages to using my dominant right hand to manipulate magazines and charging handles. I have used low power scopes and red dots in that class. Practice on pie plates and 100 yds and you’ll do well. That Vortex is a great choice. Set it at 1-2x close in. You’ll have time to adjust to 6x at 100 yds.
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You will zero at 50 for this class. Do yourself a favor and sight in before the class. I have done the class scoped and with red dot. I prefer the scope though it can be done with a red dot. I ran a 1x4 and a Trijicon 2 Moa. Personally I would run the course how you shoot a rifle best left handed Then change to right handed operation for malfunctions if you are looking to DG out of the gate. I have seen folks run eye patches and it helped a lot. You could run the rifle as it was designed with a pistol grip once out of state and then separate the upper from the lower for transport. |
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rodralig,
Not sure how it works with your Vortex but read on the Bindon Aiming Concept: https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/bindon-aiming-concept/ and see if it works for you shooting right handed. Too bad you are not shooting an AK. AKs are perfect for left handed shooting and malfunction clearance. Up until Rifle Marksmanship, all I shot at FS were AKs. For distances involved in Practical Rifle, AKs can keep up with ARs. .
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Thanks for the comments folks! Much appreciated!
I know that FS won't open until September... And that, still no having any guarantees. Quote:
That said, what do you mean by having time to adjust? According to the rifle handbook - it's 5-secs. I would need to drop to prone, set my body, prop the rifle, etc. Quote:
My scope is sighted in at 100-yards. Any reason for 50...? Quote:
I just did a few dry practice reps this morning... I am definitely more comfortable shooting left-handed with long guns. It felt a bit awkward when I tried shooting right-handed even with a patch. I guess muscle memory developed adapting to my cross-eye dominance... I just need to add an extended catch. Although my trigger finger can reach it, it requires a bit more effort to release. Quote:
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The 50 yard zero gives you basically a 50 and 200-220 yard zero with your shot being about 2” high at 100. The adjusting the scope at 100 you will be standing so making a quick adjustment is easy. You can choose to go prone for stability but you burn half you time getting into position. They will also have you try kneeling and or sitting. Use what works easiest and best for you. I threw my back out both classes trying to do prone. After doing the marksman course I can now do the shot at 100 standing with sling support. 5 seconds standing feels like an eternity. You will still shoot faster than almost all and guys will rush their shots thinking they are out of time. Last edited by damon1272; 07-19-2020 at 1:40 PM.. |
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People spend way too much time, energy, and anxiety getting into prone. And after burning through 4 sec, they try to relax, breath, and squeeze off a shot in the last second. I found getting a good tight sling supported standing position is better with high success at 12” circle at 100yds. Gets you into practice for the standing shot at 5” circle from 50yds in the Marksmanship class. |
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Oh! You don't need to go prone... But according to the handbook you only get an Achievement certificate if you do all the same positions. No? I know I can hit 100-yards out while standing. But these were steel silhouettes. Never tried it with a smaller target. I am assuming the same target as the handgun classes, right? Quote:
Will try a few setups in dry practice... That said, I went back to the safe and did my adminstrative condition checks and proceeded to try Type 1 and Type 2 clearances at 1.6-sec and 1.8-sec, respectively. It is possible even LEFT-handed. I just need to smoothen it out in practice (albeit, gets tiring quick because I am flipping the rifle CW with my weaker left)... And maybe get a longer ambi CH (my BCM is 'medium' size)... I would believe Type 3 is untimed - so.... Thank you!!! _ |
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If I remember correctly, you cannot G or DG if you STAY in the position @100 yards. Part of the test is getting to prone, sit, etc from standing for each shot. Of course, standing does not count. You can stand for all 5 shots without penalty.
I agree unless you can get down quick, taking the 100 from standing is an advantage. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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I can't speak to eye dominance, but i did the 100 yard shots by jumping into prone; took my sweet *** time getting back up though . Get some good knee and elbow pads and get some reps in. I think you have the youth/ mobility to use prone.
I didn't trust my aim to anything of the other positions because they felt too unstable, *inconsistent*, and figured if i were getting shot at that i would make myself small anyways. Yes, same target as the handgun classes Technically, IIRC, FS requires you to adjust the zoom on your rifle to the same at every string. So if you start with 1x at the 7 yard shot, you'll have to start with 1x at the 100 yard shot, and adjusting your zoom comes as a part of your presentation of the weapon. That's what grendel fan is talking about: at 100yards you have 5 seconds to adjust zoom, get into firing position of your choice, and shoot |
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Is shooting from an alternative platform at 100 yd a new requirement for DG? Anything but standing, right? What about for the disabled? I never heard that before, but of course things can change.
Shooting prone is my preferred rifle shooting platform for me past 50 yd anyway. At least if accuracy is involved. .
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When I took the 4day rifle course a couple of years ago I know there was at least one guy who DG'd and shot standing at 100. I remember because he actually didn't miss any shots on the test. I dropped to the prone at 100 and it wasn't too bad with knee pads and a glove on my support hand.
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That’s what I was referring to, staying in the sitting, prone, etc and no getting up between shots. Again, I may be interpreting that incorrect. It makes sense. Dropping to a position from standing gets your pulse up. Staying in position would have a definite advantage. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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