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Old 12-29-2020, 6:59 PM
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Hi Calguns LE, can your employers mandate/force you to get vaccinated as a term to remain employed with said agency?

Something tells me they can not but does anyone have any insight?

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Old 12-29-2020, 10:58 PM
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Were I use to work no, they would offer hepatitis and all those type of things but it wasn’t mandatory. I retired in 2008 so who knows now but normally based on MOU’s and liability they would be hard pressed to require it.
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The short answer; yes.

An employer can make a vaccination a requirement if you want to continue working there.
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I work for the CDCR, and yes they can mandate it as a condition of employment. If you can offer a document from your doctor to exempt you (allergy issues as example) or provide proof of religious exemption (not sure how that one works) you can get around it though.
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My officers association sent out a letter saying that we could not be forced to take it. I haven't heard anything from our agency yet.
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Hi Calguns LE, can your employers mandate/force you to get vaccinated as a term to remain employed with said agency?

Something tells me they can not but does anyone have any insight?

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This ain't the military. Civilian agencies can't have you do sh*t without your consent, especially when it comes to vaccinations.
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This ain't the military. Civilian agencies can't have you do sh*t without your consent, especially when it comes to vaccinations.
Huh? LEO agencies can, and do, make all kinds of demands upon employees as conditions of employment. An employee's refusal to comply will result in termination.
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Optional -about half are getting it and half aren’t... can’t fire half of us
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Optional -about half are getting it and half arenít... canít fire half of us
It's a game of chicken and who knows which side will blink first. Sure people can talk a good game, but that might be all it is: talk.
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My department said it's voluntary.

I'm definitely NOT getting it. I was already sick a while back and tested positive for it. Even if I didn't get it, I'd risk catching it than getting the vaccination.

Last edited by esy; 01-02-2021 at 5:13 PM.. Reason: should said NOT getting the vaccination.
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Huh? LEO agencies can, and do, make all kinds of demands upon employees as conditions of employment. An employee's refusal to comply will result in termination.
Okay, good luck with that. I was an LEO for this state, and those types of "demands," would hit a brick wall with the union.

Guess what we didn't have in the military? A union, much less the ability to walk away and find another career.
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Optional -about half are getting it and half arenít... canít fire half of us
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If I was really interested in the question, Iíd also research whether the FDA might object to a mandatory covid vaccination when the vaccine is only approved on an emergency basis presently.
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I have read several opinions on this. Not sure what a court might decide.
What I read is because it has only been allowed on an emergency basis by the FDA, it would be hard to make it mandatory.
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The Army has told DoD civilians that because the vaccine is only approved on an emergency basis the Army cannot compel the civilian employees, even non-unionized ones, to take it.
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Our sheriff just told the department that he strongly encourages people to get it, but itís voluntary.

Another point to consider, if you order it, then any side effects or issues with it become workers comp issues.
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It’s voluntary in my department but the way things are going, we’ll be the last after hospital workers and fire.
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Federal DOJ vaccination is optional for now.
Seems like theyre gunna vaccinate the inmates before staff.
They only do covid checks on inmates even for those of us that work covid units regularly.
Covid positive = 2 weeks off paid though so all the staff wants covid lol.
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Faauukk. I was just exposed a few days ago. I got tested this morning. No symptoms so far and I should get my results tomorrow. The department doctor said my exposure was limited and I don’t have to self quarantine. I may have two weeks off coming.
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Old 01-03-2021, 6:36 PM
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Iíve been exposed a handful of times. One positive guy sneezed on me. Youíre fine. Years of dealing with hep, mrsa, hiv, tb, etc...screw it. Give me some COVID.
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Currently, it is voluntary, but the memo we received is basically making us feel obligated to take the vaccine. I caught it in September and it messed me up pretty bad. My lungs are still trashed from it and I get chest pains pretty often I've never had pre-covid. With that said, I refused the vaccine.
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Well the good news is I tested negative. Thanks GizmoSD for sharing your experience. I’m rethinking I will probably take the vaccine when offered. My parents are at a high risk because of their age.
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Optional for Fed LEOs.

However, I would imagine that there would be job training/assignments that you would no longer eligible for.

The bigger question is what you might be limited from if you don't vaccinate:
- can't grocery shop
- can't take any form of mass transit (planes?)
- can't enter school grounds
- can't enter public buildings

I wouldn't put it past this state.
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My agency is optional so far. Most of the guys I work with arenít getting it. We all pretty much donít want to be a guinea pig.

Once itís readily available, I can see the airlines requiring proof of vaccination to fly though, in addition to other countries requiring travelers to have had it.
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Optional for Fed LEOs.

However, I would imagine that there would be job training/assignments that you would no longer eligible for.

The bigger question is what you might be limited from if you don't vaccinate:
- can't grocery shop
- can't take any form of mass transit (planes?)
- can't enter school grounds
- can't enter public buildings

I wouldn't put it past this state.
Straight totalitarian 1984 world. Hope it does not get to that...EVER.
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Optional -about half are getting it and half arenít... canít fire half of us

Sure can, and replace you with 19-year old straight out of college ethnically and sexually perversion diverse social workers.


5 years ago, would you have believed me if I told you they would decriminalize shoplifting? Yet here we are, modern day Sodom and Gomorrah.
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Optional for us but it appears we have a good response rate so far. I took mine on Thursday and my arm still hurts like a mofo.
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Straight totalitarian 1984 world. Hope it does not get to that...EVER.

Itís pretty much December 1983 right now...........
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Why anyone wouldn’t get the vaccine is beyond belief. It’s paranoia. Can you imagine if people refused to get the polio vaccine these days????

...oh yeah, they’d have polio.
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My officers association sent out a letter saying that we could not be forced to take it. I haven't heard anything from our agency yet.
If they make a rule you need the shot to work could they put you on unpaid leave or make you use up sick and vacation time until you submit?
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Optional for Fed LEOs.

However, I would imagine that there would be job training/assignments that you would no longer eligible for.

The bigger question is what you might be limited from if you don't vaccinate:
- can't grocery shop
- can't take any form of mass transit (planes?)
- can't enter school grounds
- can't enter public buildings

I wouldn't put it past this state.
Here's a wrinkle, some of the things you listed would only require a mandate by the proprietor of a private business and not a government body.

Remember that a business owner reserves the right to refuse service. Are you going to get into a pissing match on whose rights matter more?
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Why anyone wouldnít get the vaccine is beyond belief. Itís paranoia. Can you imagine if people refused to get the polio vaccine these days????

...oh yeah, theyíd have polio.
Whats the normal vaccine trial time? You know Phase 1 + Phase 2 + Phase 3 usually takes how long? How is it that covid vaccine only took like 10% of that time? What steps were skipped? What got rushed? You sure its 100% fully tested?

I took my flu shot as I have for the last 5-7 years. Soon I am also getting the Pneumococcal vaccine for the first time. But I'm not taking the covid vaccine till next year at the earliest. Maybe I'm being paranoid but I'd like some more testing done before I take something for a illness that I have very very very low chance of dying from.
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We are supposed to be able to get it on Monday, but we still have to wear masks.
Idk.
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Why anyone wouldn’t get the vaccine is beyond belief. It’s paranoia. Can you imagine if people refused to get the polio vaccine these days????

...oh yeah, they’d have polio.
The vaccine doesn't cure covid. It doesn't mean you won't get covid ever again, like the polio vaccine. You know, how a real vaccine works.

You must work for LAPD or LASD...

And my agency said it was voluntary. I *can* see a situation where they won't give you workers comp etc if you didn't get the vaccine and get sick.
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The vaccine doesn't cure covid. It doesn't mean you won't get covid ever again, like the polio vaccine. You know, how a real vaccine works.

You must work for LAPD or LASD...

And my agency said it was voluntary. I *can* see a situation where they won't give you workers comp etc if you didn't get the vaccine and get sick.
Nice..
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Okay, good luck with that. I was an LEO for this state, and those types of "demands," would hit a brick wall with the union.

Guess what we didn't have in the military? A union, much less the ability to walk away and find another career.
Yup, exactly this. In the military, they OWN you. In law enforcement, we're still civilians and most are lucky enough to have a union. The govt can't stick a needle in a citizen's arm without either their consent or a warrant (read 4th A. seizure). They might eventually require it for FUTURE employment, but cannot mandate it under current employment under the threat of termination. My guess is those who don't want it won't be assigned to work patrol/custody at their dept (desk job/admin).
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