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Old 07-31-2020, 4:30 PM
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just like it says, when are PPT cash payments due for a firearm? I have a firearm for sale and wondering what is the norm regarding time of payment? Is it when I drop the firearm at the FFL doing the transfer? Or does the FFL somehow hold the payment and release?
I have never done a PPT.
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just like it says, when are PPT cash payments due for a firearm? I have a firearm for sale and wondering what is the norm regarding time of payment? Is it when I drop the firearm at the FFL doing the transfer? Or does the FFL somehow hold the payment and release?

I have never done a PPT.

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I held my money until I inspected the firearm. When I sold mine I didn't ask him for the money until he inspected it.

I don't know if that's the norm but it felt right to me.

I did hear of people charging fees if the buyer didn't pass background as well. Never had to deal with that myself.

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As already noted, usually immediately after the buyer inspects the gun and agrees to buy it.

Many FFLs do not even want to see the money change hands; there is some risk that even that little FFL involvement might incur tax on the sale he/she has to collect.
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People I've dealt with goes like this. Meet in the parking lot, walk into the FFL explain we're here to do a PPT. Seller places the firearm on the counter (in a case of somekind). FFL inspects the firearm for safety, lays it back down on the counter. Buyer takes whatever time he/she needs to inspect the firearm. Now right here the buyer can reject the deal if the firearm is not as advertised. Otherwise buyer hands seller cash, both complete the paperwork du jour and the deal's done.
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I usually let the buyer inspect the firearm out in the parking lot, and then take payment before entering the shop to do the PPT. As stated above, some shops may not like seeing money change hands.
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People I've dealt with goes like this. Meet in the parking lot, walk into the FFL explain we're here to do a PPT. Seller places the firearm on the counter (in a case of somekind). FFL inspects the firearm for safety, lays it back down on the counter. Buyer takes whatever time he/she needs to inspect the firearm. Now right here the buyer can reject the deal if the firearm is not as advertised. Otherwise buyer hands seller cash, both complete the paperwork du jour and the deal's done.
That may not be resourceful to a busy FFL.

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I usually let the buyer inspect the firearm out in the parking lot, and then take payment before entering the shop to do the PPT. As stated above, some shops may not like seeing money change hands.
This. Some FFLs do not even want to wait while you inspect on their time. Do it outside and make the deal there.

You donít want to wait for a PPT to occur to inspect as thereís lines for PPT now.
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I usually let the buyer inspect the firearm out in the parking lot, and then take payment before entering the shop to do the PPT. As stated above, some shops may not like seeing money change hands.
I don't think handing a stranger your firearm in a parking lot is a good idea.

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Call the FFL and talk to the buyer. I have asked FFLs and one said they don't want to see money and others have said they have no problem with money exchange inside. I've looked at guns in the trunk and I have done it inside the FFL. Depends on how much you trust the person would depend on where money is exchanged. I've done it at the trunk before walking in and I have received money as the FFL is getting the paperwork started.

You can always walk outside to exchange money after in inspection inside as the paperwork is getting started.

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Turners Signal Hill will/have asked us to go outside to exchange cash. This is usually done after one of the 50 trips to the back with paperwork lmao !
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People I've dealt with goes like this. Meet in the parking lot, walk into the FFL explain we're here to do a PPT. Seller places the firearm on the counter (in a case of somekind). FFL inspects the firearm for safety, lays it back down on the counter. Buyer takes whatever time he/she needs to inspect the firearm. Now right here the buyer can reject the deal if the firearm is not as advertised. Otherwise buyer hands seller cash, both complete the paperwork du jour and the deal's done.
This is precisely how it worked in both my situations, as buyer and seller, at two separate FFL's.

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I don't think handing a stranger your firearm in a parking lot is a good idea.

YMMV.
Not a lot of options, especially when the store may or may not welcome the idea of the buyer inspecting the gun on the store's time. I have done quite a few transfers this way, and have never felt like I was in any danger letting the inspection happen outside.
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Inspection
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Check with FFL's store policy on gun inspection & funds exchange inside the store. If they allow both, do it inside the store. If not, outside parking lot.
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When dealing with PPT's, also check out their iTrader score. It's worth it's weight in gold.

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That may not be resourceful to a busy FFL.



This. Some FFLs do not even want to wait while you inspect on their time. Do it outside and make the deal there.

You donít want to wait for a PPT to occur to inspect as thereís lines for PPT now.
I don't deal with FFLs who cop an attitude.
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Not a lot of options, especially when the store may or may not welcome the idea of the buyer inspecting the gun on the store's time. I have done quite a few transfers this way, and have never felt like I was in any danger letting the inspection happen outside.
"on the store's time"? whatever does that mean? two parties standing at the counter dealing with each other somehow are consuming the 'store's time'

Here's news. FFLs aren't that special. There's another one right around the corner.
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Inspected firearms in the store for ppt
Complete ppt account and take cash
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Not a lot of options, especially when the store may or may not welcome the idea of the buyer inspecting the gun on the store's time. I have done quite a few transfers this way, and have never felt like I was in any danger letting the inspection happen outside.
Many FFLs require an appointment during covid, so it isn't like you are 'wasting' their time. For those the FFLs that do not require appointments both parties still have a right to inspect and conclude the transaction (esp payment) safely (just do it discreetly). Transferring payment usually cash in public with prying eyes is rarely prudent, but YMMV.
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99% gun people are honest, sadly there is the 1%.....

trust is the name of the game, I have been lucky with my PPT, meet in a safe place always!

Get all the infromation before the Exchange happens, "condition, parts, and always exact amount of cash don't ask for change" don't haggle...site lowball
Front of the Gun shop. most of the time
Remember your buying a gun, be clam!
inspect the gun
now the trust factor, money has to exchanged outside
walk in start the paper work
make sure the guns are registered in CA with the buyer, and as for rifles best a stipped lower..who the hell knows what CA compliant is..
buyer pays all fees!
take a break outside and pay for the gun.

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make sure the guns are registered in CA with the buyer, !
Really my friend. There is no way to know or is it required. You donít have to own the gun to sell it. A seller just needs proper ID like a CDL.

In these times of Covid my FFL takes first name and phone number while
You wait in your car out front. Always have good communication via Text.
I collect after inspection out in the parking lot.

The last handgun I sold the (very nice) guy parked next door to me and
I passed the Glock box over to his car. I told him to take his time and
We were called 10 minutes later for the PPT.

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Most times in the parking lot before we even walk in the store I’ll store the Mags and slide and whatever isn’t part of the transferable firearm that comes off easily In my vehicle.


OT but why is it that the counter monkeys feel entitled to hang on to my parts for 10+ days? If they see the mags or slide or upper, 9 times out of 10 they are going to demand it be left there for them to scratch, lose, finger bang, heck I don’t know what they want my parts for.

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Not a lot of options, especially when the store may or may not welcome the idea of the buyer inspecting the gun on the store's time. I have done quite a few transfers this way, and have never felt like I was in any danger letting the inspection happen outside.

Itís not only slightly dangerous.....itís illegal. You canít be handling/displaying handguns outside in the parking lot . Youíre asking for a Karen or a overzealous cop to put you in trouble.

Sure, if you live in the boonies, you might get away with it easier...and your past upbringing and history may allow you to be less concerned about it. But it ainít legal. Yeah, Iíve done it....but felt stupid about it later....you likely donít know the buyer or how he handles things in a way that doesnít publicly display it. Some FFLs have signs outside telling you NOT to handle guns in their lot.

With all the newbies buying guns, Iíd hate to think weíre just going to start them off with handling guns in the parking lot

Pay the seller after inspection, before paperwork. Do everyone a favor and donít make the seller wait for his money . Put it in an envelope and discreetly get it to him as the employee starts checking IDs/paperwork and handing out forms to fill out.


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Before the serial # is entered into dros.
Exchange money discreetly (most likely inside).
LGS staff may not like it, but most don't care.
The ones that do care and show it are those jackasses you want to avoid at LGS.

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Itís not only slightly dangerous.....itís illegal. You canít be handling/displaying handguns outside in the parking lot . Youíre asking for a Karen or a overzealous cop to put you in trouble.

Sure, if you live in the boonies, you might get away with it easier...and your past upbringing and history may allow you to be less concerned about it. But it ainít legal. Yeah, Iíve done it....but felt stupid about it later....you likely donít know the buyer or how he handles things in a way that doesnít publicly display it. Some FFLs have signs outside telling you NOT to handle guns in their lot.

With all the newbies buying guns, Iíd hate to think weíre just going to start them off with handling guns in the parking lot

Pay the seller after inspection, before paperwork. Do everyone a favor and donít make the seller wait for his money . Put it in an envelope and discreetly get it to him as the employee starts checking IDs/paperwork and handing out forms to fill out.


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911 operator: 911, whatís your emergency?

Karen: There are 2 people with a gun and money looking at it!!!!!

911 operator: what is your location?

Karen: The gun store parking lot. Get here quick!

911 operator: CLICK.
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911 operator: 911, whatís your emergency?



Karen: There are 2 people with a gun and money looking at it!!!!!



911 operator: what is your location?



Karen: The gun store parking lot. Get here quick!



911 operator: CLICK.
Many gun stores in CA do not have their own stand alone building or plaza.

When 911 operator/dispatcher asks location, most people do not answer with "store name" parking lot, but major cross streets or actual address.

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911 operator: 911, what’s your emergency?

Karen: There are 2 people with a gun and money looking at it!!!!!

911 operator: what is your location?

Karen: The gun store parking lot. Get here quick!

911 operator: CLICK.


Old Joe, Mike’s father at OC Armory, once told me that a cop actually took a guy to jail from the OC Armory parking lot for displaying his firearm outside

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Old Joe, Mikeís father at OC Armory, once told me that a cop actually took a guy to jail from the OC Armory parking lot for displaying his firearm outside

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Oc Armory shares location with many other non firearm related businesses.

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911 operator: 911, whatís your emergency?

Karen: There are 2 people with a gun and money looking at it!!!!!

911 operator: what is your location?

Karen: The gun store parking lot. Get here quick!

911 operator: CLICK.
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After inspection but before any paperwork starts.
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I don't think handing a stranger your firearm in a parking lot is a good idea.

YMMV.
And plenty of stores donít love dudes to be handling uncased firearms in the parking lot.

Cash after inspection or whatever, dealer takes ppt costs at time of sale. Iíve done tons of ppts through calguns and no one has ever been particular about the order of things.
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Many gun stores in CA do not have their own stand alone building or plaza.

When 911 operator/dispatcher asks location, most people do not answer with "store name" parking lot, but major cross streets or actual address.

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Indeed, at my local Sportsman's Warehouse, they share the same physical outer building, as well as probably some common walls, with our County Social Welfare Services Office ... can make for some interesting mingling in the parking lot.
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I've had one FFL state that inspection should happen before entering the store. But it's not clear that can be done legally in all parking lots. Did that once using the back of the truck so it wasn't "displayed."

Sliding over the envelope after inspection. Can be done after the clerk goes to make copies of paperwork too. Or outside. Covid rules mix things up a bit.
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I usually just invite them to my house and then they inspect and then Ill ride in their car to the ffl and then they take me home and I kiss them goodbye.
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I usually let the buyer inspect the firearm out in the parking lot, and then take payment before entering the shop to do the PPT. As stated above, some shops may not like seeing money change hands.
Absolutely, and I take no responsibility for the buyer passing DROS and the background check. If you aren't square then you shouldn't be buying a gun, if you fail the DROS let the FFL hang on to it and go find another buyer. Not my problem.
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Absolutely, and I take no responsibility for the buyer passing DROS and the background check. If you aren't square then you shouldn't be buying a gun, if you fail the DROS let the FFL hang on to it and go find another buyer. Not my problem.
My thoughts exactly; and actually happened to me as a seller a good while ago, but happened nonetheless. I was in the middle of buying real-estate and had already spent the money earned on the gun which was essentially still NIB, so there was no issue with the gun that warranted a refund - it was all on the buyer misrepresenting himself.

It was more than 2 weeks later when I got the request. I declined a refund or to deal with it. I moved on and was not about to do a 'return'. Eventually the buyer cleared up his legal obstacle and WAS able to DROS the gun to himself months later.
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What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?
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Just completed 2 PPT's this week...both exchanged cash after inspection in the FFLs...no issues.
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Buyer inspects firearm
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Start the DROS paperwork
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Buyer inspects firearm
Buyer pays the seller
Start the DROS paperwork
Buyer pays FFL for DROS
Shake hands, part ways
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