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Old 10-17-2020, 3:21 PM
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Default My first 44 mag load with Keith-style bullets.

Just did my very fist 44 mag load with Keith-style bullets.

Is this what it's suppose to be?

245 gr hard cast bullets 0.431
11gr Unique powder

It fills very tight. I desired not to crimp until I get more information.

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Old 10-17-2020, 3:29 PM
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If it works for you, go ahead.

But, I like using the crimp groove my self.

Soooo, did you cast the boolit your self. Or is it store bought?


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Old 10-17-2020, 3:32 PM
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By SAAMI standards, you've got another hundredth of an inch of length. OAL for the .44M cartridge is 1.610". You're at 1.601". The proper place to crimp is at the crimp groove. You could also seat the bullet a little further back and do a light roll crimp, though given that you said it's a tight fit, it might mean backing off the powder charge just a little bit to get it to fit.

There's another possibility, depending on your wheelgun.

Note also that true Keith bullets are known to be long. Despite SAAMI specs, the S&W and Ruger .44M revolvers that I've encountered (all double-action) will accommodate at least 1.710". So, I would play around with seating depth in a few dummy cartridges and see if they bind up the cylinder while it turns.
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Old 10-17-2020, 4:00 PM
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I purchased bullets online.
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Old 10-17-2020, 4:36 PM
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Sum Ting Wong here... Even if op "pulls" the projectile out .090" to get the SAAMI oal, he still won't be anywhere near the crimp groove on that boolit.

Look at his pic, the body/bearing diameter top shoulder of the bullet is way down below the case mouth, and the crimp groove is (relatively) eons farther away from that top body shoulder.
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Old 10-17-2020, 4:49 PM
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That's going to be a very stiff load. You've started with what some manuals list as a maximum load for lead.

Speer does go 11.5 grains for jacketed 240 grains.

Unique is a good powder but at the top loads may not be the best choice.

It is important in revolver loads to use a roll crimp. This prevents bullet jump and helps a powder like Unique to burn cleaner.

It is ok to roll the crimp over the shoulder. If the first crimp groove does not exceed the cylinder length then it would be better to use that one.

If the bullet is not the correct hardness and diameter a lead bullet can possibly lead up your barrel.

Why not start at 8 grains and work your way up checking for leading?

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Old 10-17-2020, 4:52 PM
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Those are Stateline bullets. Nothing wrong with them.
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Old 10-17-2020, 4:52 PM
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I like 9 grains of unique fot magnum loads I use 2400.
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This thread sent me looking for my Sixguns by Keith copy to check his notes on Unique powder.


He states that up to 1000 fps it is a good powder even up to 1100 fps.

He did note that Unique heat fuses to the bullet base when overloaded.

Words from the 44 magnum Guru to ponder.

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Old 10-17-2020, 5:24 PM
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Those are Stateline bullets. Nothing wrong with them.
Starline bullets...really? Since when?
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Old 10-17-2020, 6:56 PM
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Got them in the mail yesterday.
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Starline bullets...really? Since when?
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^^^Don't understand ur post here.

Is starline mfg or selling their own branded bullets. ..or not?
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He said Stateline bullets not Starline
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Agree with several of those above. The crimp groove is there for a reason.
Load is likely a bit too stout for a couple of reasons. Don't use max loads with lead bullets until you have a lot more experience. Seating the bullet deep with a max load will make it into an "over max" load. Hot loads with lead bullets can result in a lot of leading in the barrel, besides dangerous pressures. Coated lead can help reduce this - but best to start at least 10 percent down. Even using a different brand of brass, or different primer can result in pressures that are too high if you start with a max or near max load.
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Load 2- fire one

Remove and measure the unfired round. Did the bullet move?
No

Load 3, fire 2
Measure unfired round

Bring tools so if you lock up the gun, you can press the bullet back to open the cylinder
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Old 10-18-2020, 11:37 PM
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Who here said to start with light load? Let me think....

How many stout loads does it take to futz-up your revolver? It's only a forty-four magnum.
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You are not starting off well. What load data are you using? Please do more research before using your reloads. Start off on the low end of charge weight and revisit oal.
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OP I'm puzzled by the "Keith-style" description.

I thought KS bullets were heavy on the "outside" of the brass to allow for more powder "inside" the brass....

Borrowed from wiki...

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"Keith style" bullets. These bullets were based on the semiwadcutter (SWC) design, but using a wider than normal front surface, and convex sides. These changes increased the volume of the bullet outside the case, thus allowing more room inside the case, needed for large loads of slower burning powders
ETA: Unique isn't really a slower burning powder, is it?
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Hornady 240gr swc/hp is .735 long at 1.6 oal .41 of the bullet is inside the case 11.2gr of unique is a max load, you loaded yours deeper.

Hornady 240gr swc is .71 long at 1.6 .385 of the bullet is inside the case, 11.3gr of unique is a max load, you loaded yours deeper in the case.

That crimp groove is there for a reason, if your chamber can't accept the bullet loaded in the crimp groove, get a different one or seat it deeper like you have and adjust the powder charge accordingly. Why did you start at a max load? Where did this load data come from? You're .44 inside the case, unique can get wonkey and act like bullseye when you seat deeper like that. I have no idea what pressure you're at and you don't either, start over.
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Old 10-20-2020, 10:43 AM
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At this point, there are 5 (maybe 6) pieces of good evidence the OP has contructed a cartridge that is a compressed load as well as a possible overload (from Alliant's web data).

I'd start over if it were me n my gun.
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