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This may sound stupid, but here goes anyway:
I've purchased a few guns online, but never sold one online. I'm thinking about selling a shotgun to fund another shotgun purchase. Any tips to do this in a safe, legal way? What are the best practices for a seller?
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Post it here in our Marketplace.

Add as much details and pictures as possible.

And the usual, “Buyer pays DROS, meet at FFL”.
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Best place to sell it depends on what it is. Different sites get different audiences.
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Post it here in our Marketplace.

Add as much details and pictures as possible.
That is a given, and planned on.

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And the usual, ďBuyer pays DROS, meet at FFLĒ.
This is a BIG State, and an even BIGGER Country, what about shipping? Best practices for that?
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Sell it here on CalGuns, and trust your gut. If I see that a seller has multiple positive feedback reviews, thatís a great start. Whenever I sell a gun here on CG, I explain in the for sale thread that the potential buyer needs to private message me with their phone number. If I get somebody who keeps messaging me, but refuses to give me their phone number (so that we can have a conversation over the phone), I just stop returning their messages.

More than once, after speaking with a potential buyer, Iíve refused to sell them the gun (or firearms related product) because I can tell they are a freakiní crackhead. It doesnít happen very often, but again, I trust my gut, and Iíve never been let down selling anything firearm related here on CalGuns.

Obviously all firearm sales are transferred at an FFL, so safety is not a huge concern because I know that I meeting up with the buyer at a gun shop.

If itís a sealed it does not require an FFL vendor, I always meet at potential buyer in a very public place so as to avoid any shady $h1+.

If the buyer is somebody who is too far away for us to meet in person, and the item requires an FFL transfer, I work with the buyers to get that figured out, and the gun or item in question never get shipped until I see the money in my bank account via Zelli or Venmo.

Good luck, and feel free to PM me with your phone number if you have any other questions that youíd like to ask me over the phone.
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Best place to sell it depends on what it is. Different sites get different audiences.
True enough, if I list it, it will be on more sites than this one.

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Sell it here on CalGuns, and trust your gut. If I see that a seller has multiple positive feedback reviews, thatís a great start. Whenever I sell a gun here on CG, I explain in the for sale thread that the potential buyer needs to private message me with their phone number. If I get somebody who keeps messaging me, but refuses to give me their phone number (so that we can have a conversation over the phone), I just stop returning their messages.

More than once, after speaking with a potential buyer, Iíve refused to sell them the gun (or firearms related product) because I can tell they are a freakiní crackhead. It doesnít happen very often, but again, I trust my gut, and Iíve never been let down selling anything firearm related here on CalGuns.

Obviously all firearm sales are transferred at an FFL, so safety is not a huge concern because I know that I meeting up with the buyer at a gun shop.

If itís a sealed it does not require an FFL vendor, I always meet at potential buyer in a very public place so as to avoid any shady $h1+.

If the buyer is somebody who is too far away for us to meet in person, and the item requires an FFL transfer, I work with the buyers to get that figured out, and the gun or item in question never get shipped until I see the money in my bank account via Zelli or Venmo.

Good luck, and feel free to PM me with your phone number if you have any other questions that youíd like to ask me over the phone.
I know it needs to be shipped to an FFL, best practices here?
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Contact receiving FFL, and make sure they are okay with the particular gun they will be receiving.
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True enough, if I list it, it will be on more sites than this one.

I know it needs to be shipped to an FFL, best practices here?
It's good practice to note in your ad that the ad is cross-posted on other forums.

The receiving FFL will need a READABLE copy of your DL or state ID card.

You can ship the gun at your local PO. It will need to go priority mail with adult sig required. The address should not mention firearms whatsoever, including the name of the gun store.
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It's good practice to note in your ad that the ad is cross-posted on other forums.

The receiving FFL will need a READABLE copy of your DL or state ID card.

You can ship the gun at your local PO. It will need to go priority mail with adult sig required. The address should not mention firearms whatsoever, including the name of the gun store.
Should I, as the seller, require anything from the receiving FFL?
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Have a very clear return policy if buyer fails DROS

In writing - if you fail dros and can’t take possession if the firearm, I will take the gun back and dros it back to me. I charge a 25% fee if you cannot pass the background and take possession of the shotgun
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What you sell, maybe local guys would be interested.
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Contact receiving FFL, and make sure they are okay with the particular gun they will be receiving.
If you are shipping the gun, make sure the receiving FFL will accept a gun that is not being shipped from an FFL. Some won't. If they won't, you need to take it to an FFL and have them ship it (costs money to do this).

You can always include in your post that you will only ship to an FFL that accepts shipments from a non-FFL.

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Should I, as the seller, require anything from the receiving FFL?
Yes, get a copy of his FFL if you can. It's a BIG IF, he probably won't give you a copy.
If not, have him send you the beginning and ending numbers from his FFL number.
Either way, you should input the numbers into the ATF EZ Check system to confirm all his info agrees with what the ATF has for him and that he has a valid FFL.

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...I know it needs to be shipped to an FFL, best practices here?
If best means "easiest paper trail" have an FFL ship it for you.
They have to log it in and presumably they could print something out that shows you gave them gun "XYZ" serial number "blah blah blah".

Again, this approach costs money.
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Try to sell it locally, cash only.
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A lot of good information here, thank you all for that

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What you sell, maybe local guys would be interested.
The gun is a Browning GTI:
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Full Briley Ultimate Ultralite tube set (20ga, 28ga and .410):
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All in an Americase:
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I'm not listing it yet. One of the 20ga tubes is missing the ejector, I ordered the part, should be here next week. I will list it after the ejector is installed.
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You can ship a long gun at usps handguns must go thru ups or fedex unless you use an ffl to ship. hanko got it half right/ Bobga gave the best advice. An ffl can use usps might be best way to go.

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I have bought and sold lots of guns never have a problem. I always document the gun as completely as possible so the buyer can see exactly what he is getting and make sure to tell what flaws there are on the gun so you can't be accused of misrepresentation. I have never had a gun returned to me because the guy didn't like it.
Never try to sell junk as anything but junk!
Then communicate with the buyer, preferably by phone, so he knows who you are and exactly what he is getting and everybody is on the same page.

Rules to follow..

First you get paid up front before you ship, Period!

Second you only ship to a FFL that will accept from a PP. Only sell out of this state and you won't have any problems. All my local sales go thru a local gun shop that treats me right.

You get copies of their FFL and keep them on file.
You insure the package for full value of the gun Plus any BS fees.
No mention of guns on the package.

Once that the gun is in the possession of the receiving FFL. You are done.

This is what I do and it has worked many times. Never had a botched sale.

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I have bought and sold lots of guns never have a problem. I always document the gun as completely as possible so the buyer can see exactly what he is getting and make sure to tell what flaws there are on the gun so you can't be accused of misrepresentation. I have never had a gun returned to me because the guy didn't like it.
Never try to sell junk as anything but junk!
Then communicate with the buyer, preferably by phone, so he knows who you are and exactly what he is getting and everybody is on the same page.

Rules to follow..

First you get paid up front before you ship, Period!

Second you only ship to a FFL that will accept from a PP. Only sell out of this state and you won't have any problems. All my local sales go thru a local gun shop that treats me right.

You get copies of their FFL and keep them on file.
You insure the package for full value of the gun Plus any BS fees.
No mention of guns on the package.

Once that the gun is in the possession of the receiving FFL. You are done.

This is what I do and it has worked many times. Never had a botched sale.

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Thank you for this!
This is along the lines I was thinking, but let me ask...
Why not sell to someone in this state?
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Dude, seriously? You know how many guns I’ve sold online.

Call or text me and we can go over any questions you have.

But it is very easy.

1) Advertise your gun on whatever site you’d like. Include complete description, condition, good sharp pictures, and asking price.

2) Best to list price as “$XX plush shipping to your FFL”. If the buyer wants to negotiate shipping, that’s up to you to accept or not.

If the buyer is legit and on the up-and-up, you’ll know pretty quickly.

3) When the buyer agrees to buy the gun, be sure the site’s posting rules for purchases are followed (they vary by site).

4) Accept payment by cashiers check or money order only.

5) When you receive payment, securely package the gun, include a copy of your Driver License, and ship it via UPS or FedEx (with insurance) to the buyer’s FFL. The last time I shipped a decent value o/u cross country, the UPS cost was just under $50.

Randy had it spot-on. While I’ve certainly communicated with many tire-kickers, I’ve never had an issue with any buyers once a deal was reached.

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Dude, seriously? You know how many guns Iíve sold online.

Call or text me and we can go over any questions you have.
Dude, I didn't want to bother you with this given everything you have going on at the moment

On a different matter, did the dry wall get done? Is your wife happy with the new kitchen?

And, on yet a different note, Richard and I are going to be at M-N-M tomorrow morning, can you make it?
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Thank you for this!
This is along the lines I was thinking, but let me ask...
Why not sell to someone in this state?
Because you don't have to worry about DROS bs. Ship it to ffl, and you're done. I generally say "no sales to CA" even when I still lived there.

Gunbroker has a big reach and it's safe. You take payment before you ship. I think they may even have a third party escrow partner if it's an expensive gun and the buyer doesn't trust you. Send it through USPS, it's the least hassle option. The hardest part on a shotgun is finding a box long enough.
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Thank you for this!
This is along the lines I was thinking, but let me ask...
Why not sell to someone in this state?
Only sell out of this state and you won't have any problems.

CA has big Problems as you should already know. If you sell it out of state there is less chances of it blowing back on you.

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If you are shipping the gun, make sure the receiving FFL will accept a gun that is not being shipped from an FFL. Some won't. If they won't, you need to take it to an FFL and have them ship it (costs money to do this).

You can always include in your post that you will only ship to an FFL that accepts shipments from a non-FFL.

Yes, get a copy of his FFL if you can. It's a BIG IF, he probably won't give you a copy.
If not, have him send you the beginning and ending numbers from his FFL number.
Either way, you should input the numbers into the ATF EZ Check system to confirm all his info agrees with what the ATF has for him and that he has a valid FFL.

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You can ship a long gun at usps handguns must go thru ups or fedex unless you use an ffl to ship. hanko got it half right/ Bobga gave the best advice. An ffl can use usps might be best way to go.
The location UPS store will package a gun professionally...it's a pita to cut your own cardboard and make a box for a long gun. The UPS store obviously cannot ship the weapon, but they're 5 minutes from the PO.


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Only sell out of this state and you won't have any problems.

CA has big Problems as you should already know. If you sell it out of state there is less chances of it blowing back on you.

Randy
I'd also post the ad on ar15.com...far better at controlling flakes than here. As I type this, around 2X folks online there v. here.
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I'll have to look into AR15 as a potential site to list it.
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One more thing, dont forget to fill in and send "No Longer In Posesion" form, but actually the FFL forum is better place to ask those questions
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