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Old 12-14-2018, 5:41 AM
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The only other thing you that can carry that is less lethal than a gun but does not raise legal issues is a taser and/or pepper spay, both of which may not be as effective as a secondary weapon in order to deal w/a threat as a sap, baton or knife.
Those personal tasers are interesting, but worthless if you forget to maintain it and the batteries go dead inside your car. Stun guns seem good and don't go dead real fast at all. The new ones are more powerful and super light compared to the older ones, battery tech and modern designs have come a long way. The pepper blasters that used a small gun powder charge were way cool but of course illegal here.

Lots of single knucks on the market, custom and production as "botttle openers" that look neat, but that'd be silly to have one here IMHO.
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Those personal tasers are interesting, but worthless if you forget to maintain it and the batteries go dead inside your car. Stun guns seem good and don't go dead real fast at all. The new ones are more powerful and super light compared to the older ones, battery tech and modern designs have come a long way. The pepper blasters that used a small gun powder charge were way cool but of course illegal here. Lots of single knucks on the market, custom and production as "botttle openers" that look neat, but that'd be silly to have one here IMHO.

I've got a civilian C2 Taser (now called the Bolt) that I bought years ago for personal use. I also have some very large cans of pepper spay that I use to carry on-duty. Still effective after all these years. Never used either of them. Always keep an extra battery around for the C2 and sometimes carry it in a Sticky Holster that they make for it. Seldom ever carry the pepper spray.

Both can fail at the worst times but, if you have them and use them in lieu of your gun and they fail, at least you can say that you tried to use less lethal levels of force before you shot but the same argument wouldn't work w/those metal knuckle bottle openers.

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Just completed my Spydie Fixed Blade "self defense/fighting" knife set: From top to bottom are the:

Reverse
Ronin
Street Beat
Street Bowie

The Reverse is comparable to the ZT0750 Talon or the Kerhaw 1410 Talon and the Ronin is obviously comparable to the Yojimbo2. The Street Beat & Bowie are unique to themselves. Lots of other Spydie fixed blade knives available but I don't plan to buy any others, even if they can also be used as self-defense/fighting knives. That's it for this category.

Don't plan to carry any of them anyway. LOL!

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I've got a civilian C2 Taser (now called the Bolt) that I bought years ago for personal use. I also have some very large cans of pepper spay that I use to carry on-duty. Still effective after all these years. Never used either of them. Always keep an extra battery around for the C2 and sometimes carry it in a Sticky Holster that they make for it. Seldom ever carry the C2.

Both can fail at the worst times but, if you have them and use them in lieu of your gun and they fail, at least you can say that you tried to use less lethal levels of force before you shot but the same argument wouldn't work w/those metal knuckle bottle openers.

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Cheapest I ever saw those batteries was $50... but you have to buy them.

Ammo is cheap and you get more than one shot.

ON TOPIC... Bought three Leeks today! Yeah I know I am an Onion hater, but these are all the good (speedsafe, stretched out wharnie shape) and none of the bad (fat recurve with no tip).

I'll probably keep the composite one and give the OD ones as gifts.
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Cold Steel Warcraft Tanto 13TL . . .Nice tapered tang.
Cold Steel certainly makes some big f***ing blades.
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Here's my Kershaw Leek review. They are OK. I am not feeling the desire to keep any of the three I bought, but the BW Composite one is superior for a few reasons and the regular ones are disappointing IMHO. First of all, the Composite one is a different type of knife. Aside from the D2 cutting edge and cool blade pattern, it has zero blade play, wobble and the others do. The others are also liner locks, where the Composite Leek is a frame lock. The frame lock's lock bar is about 4x thicker making it pretty average thickness. The linerlock versions have a thin AL scales over super super thin liners. The liner lock bar on the liner locks is abnormally thin. I'll gift them. The BW would be a keeper but I don't like the design much with the manual closed position lock either.

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Here's my Kershaw Leek review. They are OK. I am not feeling the desire to keep any of the three I bought, but the BW Composite one is superior for a few reasons and the regular ones are disappointing IMHO. First of all, the Composite one is a different type of knife. Aside from the D2 cutting edge and cool blade pattern, it has zero blade play, wobble and the others do. The others are also liner locks, where the Composite Leek is a frame lock. The frame lock's lock bar is about 4x thicker making it pretty average thickness. The linerlock versions have a thin AL scales over super super thin liners. The liner lock bar on the liner locks is abnormally thin. I'll gift them. The BW would be a keeper but I don't like the design much with the manual closed position lock either.
I've got a couple of Leeks -- one SS and one black blem. Just bought them to include as part of my Ken Onion collection. However, I never planned to carry or use them because, even w/a 3" blade, they are too light/small for my taste. I've never purchased a Scallion or Chive because they are even lighter/smaller than the Leek.

My favorite of this Onion series is still the Shallot. Love the shape of the blade/handle and 3.5" blade and 4oz weight makes the fit/feel perfect for me and carried it for years as my EDC. Had an original black Shallot that I lost and later bought 3 black blems to replace it (because I couldn't find a non-blem anywhere at the time and wanted extras in case I lost 1 again).

Still want to buy a non-blem SS Shallot but ebay sellers are asking way too much for them. It's my favorite knife but I just don't think it's worth the $150+ that most sellers are asking for NIB versions.

Shallot users can be had for around $70-100 but don't want a user at that or any other price. 1 of my black blems is already a user The 2nd/3rd are still unused and are being held in reserve. I might try selling one of the extra black blems and then putting the money towards a NIB SS but I'm in no hurry to do so.
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Colonel blade. Next one is a 0450 CF once the local shop gets some in.
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These are nice
I purchased a couple Kershaw OSO knives. These are very impressive for under $12.00. Good for everyday care, don't have to worry about losing them.
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These are nice
I purchased a couple Kershaw OSO knives. These are very impressive for under $12.00. Good for everyday care, don't have to worry about losing them.
They were good deals. $42 for the composite and $24 for the regular Leeks - good discount from regular pricing, I just think Kershaw USA could do better with the OD green ones I received.
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I'd like to see more Kershaw blades made in the US. I think the only one I have made in the US is my Skyline Damascus. I don't mind paying a little more for stuff made here.

Do you know if Kershaw makes any knives with ball bearing pivots?
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I'd like to see more Kershaw blades made in the US. I think the only one I have made in the US is my Skyline Damascus. I don't mind paying a little more for stuff made here.

Do you know if Kershaw makes any knives with ball bearing pivots?
Yeah, a few I have had are the Nuras and the Bare Knuckle... two Nuras are Chinese and the 7777 is USA.
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Just got a Natrix XL. Got it apart put some Gun Butter on the bearings and polished up the carbon fiber and done. Very smooth knife!!!






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ZT 850. This is my first knife I've bought in years. Blue carbon fiber scales, sub frame lock, titanium milled pocket clip, and CPM20CV blade steel.
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Nice looking blade... I think it is a lot beefier than it appears in your pic. 8.5" blade .25" stock. Nice. Reminds me of a GimmeJR (J Garrison) blade I have.
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I'd like to see more Kershaw blades made in the US. I think the only one I have made in the US is my Skyline Damascus. I don't mind paying a little more for stuff made here.
You will probably be seeing more US Made knives generally because of the Trump's tariffs on Chinese made goods and the reciprocal Chinese tariffs on US imports. I haven't compiled a complete list but I am now focused on collecting the few US made Kerhaws currently available that use M390 steel, which includes (as far as I know) the:

Link (1776BLK)
Dividend (1812BLK)
Knockout (1870BLSW) which is a USA Made Blade Exclusive

Only have the Link at this moment but plan to buy the other 2 buy year's end. Feel free to add to this list if you are aware of any others.

There's also a Leek (1660CF) in CPM154 but since I already have 2 Leeks and it's not one of my favorite knives, I'm not sure I'm going to get one of these too. I also understand that all of the auto Launch models use CPM 154 as well but I'm not a big fan of their autos either. Additionally, while CPM154 use to be considered a very "high grade" steel, that isn't exactly the case any more. No doubt, it's still an excellent blade steel but has been surpassed in quality by many others since it was 1st developed.

For a comparison of blade steel quality and characteristics, see: https://knifeinformer.com/discoverin...t-knife-steel/
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A recent ruling in Fed District Court declared NY's law banning the possession of nunchucks (even in your home) unconstitutional under the 2nd Amendment.

See: https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.0d8865f7be1c

The ruling raises the possibility of bringing a similar lawsuit to challenge state/local laws banning the possession of switchblades and balisongs, which are based on similar reasoning as those that have banned nunchucks. Anyone want to take up the mantle?
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7777 got here. TOUGH detent, which I love. If these are bearings, they need oil. Smooth enough though. Super fast because of the fingertip peeling detent. Wicked blade shape, great grind, perfect on center, LIGHT AS HELL. 3.56 ounces. 100% keeper.













Hey bud just as an fyi, I just got my 7777 yesterday, great looking knife however when I went to disassemble it, the female hex portion of the pivot was just turning in the housing(handle). Couldn't get it apart. Either the dopes at the factory put some red loctite on the pivot screw or Kershaw is using some soft aluminum. Sooo, if you don't need to take it apart I wouldn't.
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Hey bud just as an fyi, I just got my 7777 yesterday, great looking knife however when I went to disassemble it, the female hex portion of the pivot was just turning in the housing(handle). Couldn't get it apart. Either the dopes at the factory put some red loctite on the pivot screw or Kershaw is using some soft aluminum. Sooo, if you don't need to take it apart I wouldn't.
Well now I want to take it apart, hahah. Thanks for the heads-up... after seeing the liners on the colored leeks that are liner lock designs I might just stick to ZT... honestly my 0055 was $100 more than the 7777 but it is much more than $100 nicer. ZT FTW IMHO.
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Well now I want to take it apart, hahah. Thanks for the heads-up... after seeing the liners on the colored leeks that are liner lock designs I might just stick to ZT... honestly my 0055 was $100 more than the 7777 but it is much more than $100 nicer. ZT FTW IMHO.
Hopefully mine was just a lemon and its not a common thing on the 7777's.

I agree on ZT. You gets what you pay for! LOL!!!
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Just received a LNIB Hinderer XM-18 Gen6 Tri-pivot) 3.0 Slicer. MSRP is $425. I got it for less.

Bought it from Bryan Ball who does the Slicey Dicey YouTube reviews. Here's a link to the video that he did of this knife: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSY45yjLgDI.

Bought it for the purpose of comparison w/the 4 ZT/Hinderers that I already owned. Below is a photo of the 5 knives, which includes from top to bottom the: 0550, 0560, 0562, 0566 and the XM-18. What surprised me most about the XM-18 was how small it was. I assumed, based on the size of ZT's that the XM-18 would be larger but that obviously is not the case. It's even smaller than the 0566 which I already considered "too small" for my taste. Should have held out for a 3.5 for the same price.

However, apart from that, it's a very nice knife. Fit and finish is excellent and deployment of the blade is very smooth on the bearings installed in it. The easy of deployment has apparently been an issue w/older gen XMs but that seems to have been resolved w/the use of bearings in the Gen6. Bryan discusses the feel of the teflon & phosphor bronze washers vs the bearings and he liked the bearings the best.

Is it worth over 2x's the price of a ZT0562 (based on the current low eBay price) for one? I think not but I can now say that I've got one and know how it compares w/the ZTs, based on personal experience. Don't think I'll like the 3.5 version any better, even if it's a little bigger, so this is the 1st and last Hinderer that I'm going to buy.

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Is it worth over 2x's the price of a ZT0562 (based on the current low eBay price) for one? I think not but I can now say that I've got one and know how it compares w/the ZTs, based on personal experience. Don't think I'll like the 3.5 version any better, even if it's a little bigger, so this is the 1st and last Hinderer that I'm going to buy.

Thanks for the honest review. Yeah, remember it is a human that crafted that knife by hand in many ways that a ZT is not. Doesn't mean the human can beat ZT's computer controlled mills. Depends on the human and their process too. There are lots of examples of people preferring the production knife to the custom with certain brands like Hinderer and Emerson because they didn't always have bearing washers in the customs. I haven't seen many custom folders, but the few I have handled I felt similarly about. Fixed blades are a little different IMHO.

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Here's my Kershaw Leek review. They are OK. I am not feeling the desire to keep any of the three I bought, but the BW Composite one is superior for a few reasons and the regular ones are disappointing IMHO. First of all, the Composite one is a different type of knife. Aside from the D2 cutting edge and cool blade pattern, it has zero blade play, wobble and the others do. The others are also liner locks, where the Composite Leek is a frame lock. The frame lock's lock bar is about 4x thicker making it pretty average thickness. The linerlock versions have a thin AL scales over super super thin liners. The liner lock bar on the liner locks is abnormally thin. I'll gift them. The BW would be a keeper but I don't like the design much with the manual closed position lock either.

Agree for the most part. I carry the BW Composit at work and while I like it (love the blade shape), there are some things I would definitely change. Size is a little small & the blade safety lock could be improved immensly (either some positive detents or spring pressure). Is otherwise a nice little knife for the price. Emphasis on little.
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Agree for the most part. I carry the BW Composit at work and while I like it (love the blade shape), there are some things I would definitely change. Size is a little small & the blade safety lock could be improved immensly (either some positive detents or spring pressure). Is otherwise a nice little knife for the price. Emphasis on little.
Yeah I think those liner lock variants really threw me when I focused on the locks. I hate that liner's thinness - I was surprised Kershaw would do that. It barely hangs on there. Look at my pic.

As far the size, I think you need a smallish knife, but I already have the 0450 and 0808 so there's not really much improvement that can be done. Those are great little knives. Plus I have GECS... many 15's and Bull Nose's - all smaller knives. Also have a Kizer KI3411, and HIRO lockback in GIN-1 steel. Have to figure out who gets the OD green LEEKS and who gets the COMP BW in their stocking.
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You will probably be seeing more US Made knives generally because of the Trump's tariffs on Chinese made goods and the reciprocal Chinese tariffs on US imports. I haven't compiled a complete list but I am now focused on collecting the few US made Kerhaws currently available that use M390 steel, which includes (as far as I know) the:

Link (1776BLK)
Dividend (1812BLK)
Knockout (1870BLSW) which is a USA Made Blade Exclusive

Only have the Link at this moment but plan to buy the other 2 buy year's end. Feel free to add to this list if you are aware of any others.

There's also a Leek (1660CF) in CPM154 but since I already have 2 Leeks and it's not one of my favorite knives, I'm not sure I'm going to get one of these too. I also understand that all of the auto Launch models use CPM 154 as well but I'm not a big fan of their autos either. Additionally, while CPM154 use to be considered a very "high grade" steel, that isn't exactly the case any more. No doubt, it's still an excellent blade steel but has been surpassed in quality by many others since it was 1st developed.

For a comparison of blade steel quality and characteristics, see: https://knifeinformer.com/discoverin...t-knife-steel/
Thank you for the info. I need to expand to other steels
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Picked up a nickel plated Buck 110 torched bone with pocket clip and thumb disk.
Rock it old school.

Not my pics, but same deal.


That's a beauty, I really need to stop looking at this thread.
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just picked up these 3 over the past few weeks for myself for XMas haha

Spyderco Para 3
Laconico EZE
Koenig Mini Goblin

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They were good deals. $42 for the composite and $24 for the regular Leeks - good discount from regular pricing, I just think Kershaw USA could do better with the OD green ones I received.
If you want to sell them let me know,

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just picked up these 3 over the past few weeks for myself for XMas haha

Spyderco Para 3
Laconico EZE
Koenig Mini Goblin

Wow, nice CF's... love that wharnie shape.
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Just received Blade Ops reissue of the Spyderco Embassy Auto 3.125" S35VN (bottom) which joins the Autonomy2 3.5" LC200N (top) and Citadel 3.25" S30V (middle) in my collection.

Nothing really special about the Embassy. Just bought it to add it to the collection for completeness. It's the smallest of the 3 and has a better/more accessible and easier to use safety than the Citadel but the Autonomy2 is the best of the 3 in terms of features and the cheapest in price. The use of LC200N "rustproof" steel in the Autonomy is a bonus. A best buy if you're looking for an current side-opening auto regardless of the make/model.

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Just received Citadel (middle) in my collection.
Nice swedge on that one. Unique for Spyderco.
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That's a beauty, I really need to stop looking at this thread.
Yeah, who knew a Buck 110 could be pretty?
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Yeah, who knew a Buck 110 could be pretty?
Old Bucks with patina on brass bolsters and dark wood are not ugly either. I have a pretty old one... but I don't think it is a 110... 112 maybe.
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Nice swedge on that one. Unique for Spyderco.
The one I just received is the Embassy but it shares the same blade shape/design w/the Citadel.
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The one I just received is the Embassy but it shares the same blade shape/design w/the Citadel.
Don't see swedges on Spyderco's much...

Check out these saps yo. You should find yours.

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