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Old 07-10-2019, 10:02 AM
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You might consider some prism scope offerings from Primary Arms, Vortex, or Burris. Or you could consider a used ACOG.
If you wanted to look through an ACOG, where would you go?
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Old 07-10-2019, 10:06 AM
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I believe the original you linked to is no longer in production, and that it is the one with the heavy "Pig Plex" script in the reticle.

This one appears to still be in production (and is available on opticsplanet for $229) and is the newer, much cleaner reticle that I prefer. I have both, and like both, but I like this one better. In my opinion, it is about perfect for a 45-70. I have the newer style on my 45-70 that I use for pigs and bison, and the older style on my .458 WinMag that I took to Africa.
https://www.leupold.com/reticles/ret...vx-freedom-181

Here's a thread where it came up a half a year or so ago.
https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...light=pig+plex
Did you try hitting anything around dusk or dawn? I took my Guide Gun with me to TX and my takeaway after looking through it in low-light conditions where I could see, just a bit, with my unaided eye, was no es bueno. Works great in full sun, but I was in a blind over a feeder and couldn’t see doodly squat through the scope.
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Old 07-10-2019, 10:12 AM
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If you wanted to look through an ACOG, where would you go?
Try your local gun shops. There's probably a couple in your area with them.

If not, you could check the Calguns Marketplace to see if there's anyone near you selling one.
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Do you have Skinner peep Sights?

The 45/70 has an interesting trajectory.... I would look for maybe a 2 power with cross hatches to help use the cross hatches vs holdover.
Cartridge (Wb@MV) Bullet BC 100 yds. 200 yds. MRT@yds. MPBR (yds.)
45-70 (405 FP at 1330) .214 +1.3" -22.9" 3"@65 131


22" of drop at 200

If you are concerned about recoil, maybe a shotgun scope
a 1 ounce slug is 440 Grains @1800 FPS is pretty close to the 45-70 in energy


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Do you have Skinner peep Sights?

The 45/70 has an interesting trajectory.... I would look for maybe a 2 power with cross hatches to help use the cross hatches vs holdover.
I put a Skinner on my 1895GBL and it's perfect for the .45-70. I can't imagine a much better cartridge for big stuff inside 100 yards, and I can't imagine a much worse rifle cartridge for anything past that, unless you're a mortarman.
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Did you try hitting anything around dusk or dawn? I took my Guide Gun with me to TX and my takeaway after looking through it in low-light conditions where I could see, just a bit, with my unaided eye, was no es bueno. Works great in full sun, but I was in a blind over a feeder and couldn’t see doodly squat through the scope.
I'm glad you pointed that out, I put a normal old Nikon 3-9 scope on my 45-70 1895 because I want to see in low/bad light and a good clear rifle scope will do just that. People really should take a rifle with a set of open iron sights and go out just after sunset and get deep into the thick trees and then look through those sights, they are going to be amazed at what they can and can't see. If they would put a brown piece of cardboard up next to a tree and look at those irons in low light at the target. Then try it with a scope. A good peep sight is so much better than a open or a crapy scope it's just dumb. Pull the trigger in that low light and it's muzzle flash blindness until your eye recovers.
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Old 07-10-2019, 1:35 PM
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Try your local gun shops. There's probably a couple in your area with them. If not, you could check the Calguns Marketplace to see if there's anyone near you selling one.
I'll do that. Never tried one before, figure they are made to be knocked around without issue. But the main thing that has kept me from trying one is the co$t.

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I'm glad you pointed that out, I put a normal old Nikon 3-9 scope on my 45-70 1895 because I want to see in low/bad light and a good clear rifle scope will do just that. People really should take a rifle with a set of open iron sights and go out just after sunset and get deep into the thick trees and then look through those sights, they are going to be amazed at what they can and can't see. If they would put a brown piece of cardboard up next to a tree and look at those irons in low light at the target. Then try it with a scope. A good peep sight is so much better than a open or a crapy scope it's just dumb. Pull the trigger in that low light and it's muzzle flash blindness until your eye recovers.
In low light conditions, the pupil in the human eye can be up to 8mm in diameter. To my way of thinking-- I've not measured my pupil in low-light, but I can go with 7-8mm-- I'm looking for a scope that has an exit pupil about that size, which means for 4x I need something with at least a 32mm objective lens, since (objective lens diameter)/(magnification) = (exit pupil diameter). It seems counter-productive on a scope one wants to use before dawn or after dusk to have one with an exit pupil smaller than the unaided eye. Some models of the ACOG apparently have up to a 16mm exit pupil, which is even better.
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If you wanted to look through an ACOG, where would you go?
Whereabouts are ya? I've got a couple different ones you could look through if you're near here.
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Old 07-10-2019, 9:21 PM
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Did you try hitting anything around dusk or dawn? I took my Guide Gun with me to TX and my takeaway after looking through it in low-light conditions where I could see, just a bit, with my unaided eye, was no es bueno. Works great in full sun, but I was in a blind over a feeder and couldn’t see doodly squat through the scope.
I've used both scopes to shoot pigs, bison, jackrabbits, steel, and a baboon in low light, along with practice and sighting in the 45-70. Been very happy with them.

Granted, they are 220 dollar scopes so you can't expect the world, but, they've survived a trip to Africa and several hundred rounds of 458 WinMag and 45-70 without ill effect!
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Old 07-13-2019, 8:13 AM
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Weaver still makes the V1-3x, which is very similar. About the same size. Also made in Japan and very lightweight: 8.5 oz. I have one mounted on a LE #4.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/10...-reticle-matte

FYI, I also have a K2.5 to compare it with. I have it on detachable rings for my M1894 .44mag. It's a nice setup. But the 1-3x is a little more versatile of course. And readily available.
I would agree with this. Have one on my .357 Henry.
Just saw them on Natchez.com for $139.99. Good price.

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What scope mount did you use to mate the Weaver to your Henry? Any fish left in that lake?
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Duece, I used the Talley Integeral base/rings mount from the "Henry Pride" store. Works like a champ. We left a few! Henry's Lake was hitting some mighty good trout. I pulled in a 7lb'er. Real nice cutbow. Kinda neat fishing there and seeing elk grazing by the shore. Looking at going back in Oct for some upland birds.
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IF I really wanted an Optic on a Levergun I'd put a Bushnell TRS 25 on it and be done with it.

I have 6 of these simple optics on all my Carbines and I am good to 300 yards with all of them. A Red Dot on a Levergun is not completely sacrilegious and is definitely the fastest Target Acquisition method out there. The TRS-25 can take the recoil as a .45-70 is a much slower impulse than my .308 Scout Rifle and I use one on my Scout frequently for 3 gun shoots.

What I am proposing is that you try one of those optics on your gun as they are <$90 most of the time and < $60 on sale at Midway often. I assure that once you try it you'll be sold.

The first Marlin Guide Gun in .450 Marlin caliber I saw in a mag article 20+ years ago by Richard Venola, he mounted one of these optics on that gun. Made perfect sense as he was going to shoot Bears in the Forests of BC. 50-100 yards shots were all he'd see.

Since your shots will be less than 100 yards almost all of the time you don't need any magnification, you simply put the dot on the target, and let fly!

Something that is not advertised, but I know to be true after talking to Factory Reps at SHOT, is that the TRS-25 is a Chinese built copy of an Aimpoint Sight. Also they only weigh 3 oz. and don't alter the handling of your gun, which is kind of why you got the Levergun in the first place.

On the Outdoor Channel right now on Saturday Night is a show called "Wild Boar Fever X"

This show is about shooting Driven Wild Boar in Europe. Every gun in the show is a Sauer 404 Bolt Gun with an Aimpoint Red Dot mounted on it. They hit alot of pigs that are running full blast and the Red Dot sight is the sight they ALL use. Obviously the show is sponsored by Sauer and Aimpoint and some outfit that makes Hunting Clothes, but a Marlin Guide Gun with a Red Dot Optic would actually be faster on follow up shots.

I am in the process of mounting a Reflex type Burris Red Dot on my Browning A5 Rifled Barrel specifically to shoot Pigs in Central CA using my Non Toxic Shotgun Slugs. This is simply because I know that the red dot optic is the fastest method of Target Acquisition available. There is no lining up of Cross Hairs and other studying of the sights. It is simply Dot, Bang, Dot, Bang! I practice with a Ruger 10/22 with the same type of sight on it to build speed..

You guys should try this before you completely destroy the handling of your guns by mounting huge scopes on them that weigh a pound a piece. Leverguns are 100-150 yard guns in most cases. If you can't hit a Man Sized Target every single time at 100 yards with a Red Dot Optic, maybe you should go back to checkers.

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The largest cartridge I shoot is .308 out of my M1A with irons, no scope.

But I've been looking at 45-70 lever guns lately. Why? I certainly do not need one-- Just the thought of being able to throw 300-400gr chunks of lead down range really gets me going.

Love the pics in this thread!!
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Only 400? Why not way more??
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Only your shoulder would know the difference, nothing else would .

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socal m1 shooter, I just discovered the Bushnell Big D red dot which came out at last year's Shot Show. It has a 38mm objective which might be just what you're looking for.
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Specs on that Bushnell Big D Red Dot say 3 moa dot. When you looked at it, did it seem big?

I'll have to find a retailer that has one. I checked Amazon and they do not carry it, at least now, but Optics Planet allegedly does.
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Specs on that Bushnell Big D Red Dot say 3 moa dot. When you looked at it, did it seem big?

I'll have to find a retailer that has one. I checked Amazon and they do not carry it, at least now, but Optics Planet allegedly does.
I didn't see one in person. I came across it when I was researching the Bushnell Lil P online.
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It is a bit bigger than the TRS 25 at 10.5 oz. but on a big gun like an M1A it wouldn't make much difference in the handling.

On a 7 lb Levergun it would weigh it down a little but in the case of a.45-70 you'd kind of want it heavier anyway to counteract the Recoil.

IF you haven't figured it out yet, these guns with any factory 400+ gr loads kick like a mule!. You will damn sure become aware of it when you pull the trigger the first time.

The gun needs to weigh about 9lbs like an 1886 does to tame the recoil down instead of 7 lbs. Even so with any Premium Ammo like Garrett, Buffalo Bore, with bigger boolits you are wielding a formidable weapon capable of taking down anything on earth. When loaded up to the max levels a Marlin action can take, it is very close to a .458 WM in power and it is easy to hand load the cartridge that level. Luckily you can also load them down using 300 gr cast lead boolits to levels that are easy to shoot and won't knock the snot out of you.

For a Guide Gun a Red Dot makes sense.

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I didn't see one in person. I came across it when I was researching the Bushnell Lil P online.
Real World Shooting lists them for a very decent price. I doubt they have them in stock, but I will check with them for sure. Thanks for the tip.
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