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Old 12-07-2019, 8:40 PM
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I watched a video by Honest Outlaw (link below) where he calls his AK chambered in 5.56 the perfect prepper/SHTF rifle due to the reliability of the AK and the ammo availability of the 5.56. My understanding is that these are AK74 conversions. Anyone have experience with or knowledge of this type of rifle? What do people think of these? Where are people purchasing these? Thanks for any information!

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I didn't watch the entire video... However, I've got a zastava m90np, which is a 556 AK that accepts AR mags. It's more of a novelty because the magwell adapter is polymer I think. But it's an incredibly easy shooter because of the already-low felt recoil from 556 and the heavier platform of an AK.

My primary concern with an AK chambered in 556 that accepts 556 AK style mags is the availability of such mags. They're already expensive to begin with and they certainly aren't as widely available as the 762 mags. I know you can modify a 545 mag to use 556 with, but that isn't always going to be a reliable route. And in a SHTF end of days scenario, I dunno where you're gonna find tapco 545 mags at if your mags die out.

I'm not crapping on the idea of a 556 AK as a SHTF rifle. I just think the mag issue is a huge downside
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If I wanted a 5.56 cartridge in an AK operating system, I would go with the IWI Galil Ace 5.56 hands down.


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I didn't watch the entire video... However, I've got a zastava m90np, which is a 556 AK that accepts AR mags. It's more of a novelty because the magwell adapter is polymer I think. But it's an incredibly easy shooter because of the already-low felt recoil from 556 and the heavier platform of an AK.

My primary concern with an AK chambered in 556 that accepts 556 AK style mags is the availability of such mags. They're already expensive to begin with and they certainly aren't as widely available as the 762 mags. I know you can modify a 545 mag to use 556 with, but that isn't always going to be a reliable route. And in a SHTF end of days scenario, I dunno where you're gonna find tapco 545 mags at if your mags die out.

I'm not crapping on the idea of a 556 AK as a SHTF rifle. I just think the mag issue is a huge downside
That's my biggest issue also. A lot of the 5.56 AKs use proprietary mags and they are expensive. Most are out of production. Weiger mags for the WASR3 are $65 each IF you can find them. Beryl mags are $35 etc.

PSA may be working on a 5.56 AK that uses AR mags. I think ar AR mag AK would be the best bet.

If you want to use 5.56, use an AR. It was built around the .223 and requires no tweaking for that cartridge. I'd say use a 5.45 AK if wanted a similar cartridge.
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Old 12-07-2019, 10:38 PM
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The issue with a rifle like that is magazine availability. Good magazines are few and far between and really expensive.


Well, rifle availability and cost could be a problem too depending on your budget. An Arsenal may cost you upwards of $1,600-$2,000 on the second-hand market.
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If I wanted a 5.56 cartridge in an AK operating system, I would go with the IWI Galil Ace 5.56 hands down.


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I'll second that. AK-style operating system, AK-style milled receiver, AR/STANAG magazine compatibility, left side charging handle (for us rightys), last-round bolt-hold, full-length picatinny rail on the top to mount optics from the factory...what's not to like?

Other than the price, I mean.
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Valmet 76 for the win, mags are too expensive now.
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Lame.
Stick with 7.62x39
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In an AK stick with 7.62.
But still IMHO an AR is the best SHTF in the US as it's a standardized mil spec design that also shares many magazine options and ammo is easy to find.
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Agree, with the consensus here. Stick with the standards.
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I have a Robinson Arms VEPR and a Polytech BWK-92 in .223. Both are reliable and take their own magazines. My issue is my eyesight. The AK is nowhere as simple as other rifle designs to use magnified optics that I need. Using iron sights is a bit of a waste of .223 ammo with my eyes, given the capability of the round. If you have good eyes, I'm sure you'll have a capable rifle. The VEPR is easier to put glass on it as it has a side mounting rail and there are more and more products out there to fit optics to the AK with side rails. The BWK-92 is more of a collector's item than a shooter for me. Any attempt to put glass on it will take away from its value in my mind.

Any AK not in 7.62x39 is a "conversion" from Mikhail Kalashnikov's original design, but can be done with proper engineering, especially when done by the actual company itself. Other cartridges can be just as successful. Witness the 5.45x39, and now the 9mm.

Izmash and Molot, now both under Kalashnikov Concern, did design the .223 AK, produced and sold them. They only sold them to the civilian market, so their .223 AK is not as militarily proven as the 7.62x39 or as the 5.45, but Poland for a while did equip its army with the Beryl chambered in 5.56x45.


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Good luck finding replacement bolts... AK-74 small tail bolts which most 5.56 ak's use are basically unobtanium.
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I love how SHTF preppers say X type of ammo will be more readily available. This isnít like a video game and there a bunch of ammo caches around town.
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How about a newer Mini 14 then vs. 5.56 AK?
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I love how SHTF preppers say X type of ammo will be more readily available. This isnít like a video game and there a bunch of ammo caches around town.
Agree, LOL. It's more like being able to find ammo at a local bait and tackle shop on the way to the desert.



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How about a newer Mini 14 then vs. 5.56 AK?
Where are you going to get parts?

If you want a 5.56 survival rifle stick with the standard AR-15 type. Parts are cheap and easily obtainable.
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Where are you going to get parts?

If you want a 5.56 survival rifle stick with the standard AR-15 type. Parts are cheap and easily obtainable.
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I think a sam7sf is probably the best and one you could probably get a spare bolt for fairly easily? Still it’s expensive and converting it for CA is a bit of a hassle.

Do they make it in 223?
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Shoot what you like......leave the Apocalypse to Father in Heaven. And put your faith in Christ Lord!


But in my opinion, leave the AK as 7.62 & the AR as 5.56.
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Valmet 76 for the win, mags are too expensive now.
Tapco has a magazine that gives the perfect feed angle for $14.00, is that too expensive?

I have Norinco, Polytech and Valmet in 556, and absolutely love them. They are not my shtf rifle but they are fantastic. The trigger on the Valmet is wonderful
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Tapco has a magazine that gives the perfect feed angle for $14.00, is that too expensive?

I have Norinco, Polytech and Valmet in 556, and absolutely love them. They are not my shtf rifle but they are fantastic. The trigger on the Valmet is wonderful
If youíve been doing this for as many years as I have, you know that Tapco has a very deserving reputation for being unreliable....AT BEST!
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I just bought a Wasr3 and plan on doing the definitive arms mag conversion to run AR mags. IMO it’s the best of both worlds.
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I think a sam7sf is probably the best and one you could probably get a spare bolt for fairly easily? Still itís expensive and converting it for CA is a bit of a hassle.

Do they make it in 223?
Arsenal isn't selling replacement parts such as bolts...

I don't know if the sam7sf uses the AK 100 series thin tail bolt or the older AKM thick tail bolt.

The whole different bolt issue was discussed in the thread below.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...hlight=AK+bolt
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This; aside from cost. That batch of blems Classic Arms had a year ago was a steal.
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This; aside from cost. That batch of blems Classic Arms had a year ago was a steal.
really wish i knew about it when it happened.... really want one but not at the current price.
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If youíve been doing this for as many years as I have, you know that Tapco has a very deserving reputation for being unreliable....AT BEST!
Just trying to help, I would rather have magazines that work at $14.00 per mag versus paying the $300.00 per mag.
I got my Valmet m76 3-4 years ago when I moved and started experimenting with all that were on the market. Amazingly the TAPCO worked great
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I think a sam7sf is probably the best and one you could probably get a spare bolt for fairly easily? Still itís expensive and converting it for CA is a bit of a hassle.

Do they make it in 223?
Yes, the K101. Not a side folder though. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/835272004
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Just trying to help, I would rather have magazines that work at $14.00 per mag versus paying the $300.00 per mag.
I got my Valmet m76 3-4 years ago when I moved and started experimenting with all that were on the market. Amazingly the TAPCO worked great
Oh absolutely! Iím sorry, I wasnít implying you were wrong! And I agree, for $14, why not!

Just that the point for the OP was to have an SHTF rifle. In which case, reliability is paramount..... So, naturally, magazines as well must be 100% reliable. Thatís all I was pointing out. For shooting & at $14, yeah! Go meshugana!
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I'd worry about food and water vs a bolt or firing pin: all ak tests on full auto, the barrel will burnt along with the handguards, regardless of wood or polymer...For the semi auto guys, don't worry, your ak will last a least 8-10k rounds, trust me...a firefight would be the least of your issues
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I'd worry about food and water vs a bolt or firing pin: all ak tests on full auto, the barrel will burnt along with the handguards, regardless of wood or polymer...For the semi auto guys, don't worry, your ak will last a least 8-10k rounds, trust me...a firefight would be the least of your issues
Iíd agree. Canít say Iíve ever seen a pic of a 223 bolt or firing pin break.
Iíd buy a bow and fishing pole and maybe a cheap psa chf middy upper over a 223 ak.
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If you want a 5.56 survival rifle stick with the standard AR-15 type. Parts are cheap and easily obtainable.
Parts?

Ivan say AK not break - donít need parts.

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I have a Bulgy AK74 in 5.56 which I built from a kit and absolutely love! I would not pick it over my M4gery as the AR is super accurate with a scope, but the AK is still one of my favorites. Mags were an issue, but I got some Tapcos and Beryls and I am good to go. A bolt hold open would be nice tho.
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Here's a decent torture test of a Zastava M90NP, with the STANAG mag-compatible magwell.

Run over by a car, drop-tested, sand-tested, thrown in a lake. Looks like it held up in the videos.

I mean, short of testing it with tannerite or shooting at it...right?

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Why wasn't the Ruger Mini 14 designed to take ar15 mags? Or make them now to take them? This to me would make sense and also be similar to an ak in 5.56.
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Why wasn't the Ruger Mini 14 designed to take ar15 mags? Or make them now to take them? This to me would make sense and also be similar to an ak in 5.56.
Because Ruger makes what they want, not what customers want.
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Because Ruger makes what they want, not what customers want.
Besides the obvious reason. Maybe they don't want this rifle associated with "assault rifles" or maybe Ruger wants to sell you their own mags.
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