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Old 09-29-2018, 7:19 AM
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Default USSOCOM Replaces EOTech Sights

What was old is new again!

FWIW, I never had issues with mine and we started with the older model with the AA battery. The newer one with the sideways battery was even better.

http://soldiersystems.net/2018/09/29...eotech-sights/

Naval Surface Warfare Center – Crane Division, acting as the program office for special operations weapons procurement on behalf of United States Special Operations Command has announced a $23,637,320 contract to L-3 Communications EOTech for Close Quarters Battle Sights. We do not yet have verification of which model was selected.
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Old 09-29-2018, 12:48 PM
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Good for EOTech. I wonder iv Vortex UH-1 was considered. I slightly prefer it to the EOTech, but both are good.

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Old 09-30-2018, 12:32 PM
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I had to look up that Vortex as I hadn't heard about it. It sounds like it was released only recently so it wasn't part of the SOCCOM evaluation.

AimPoint T2, Leupold LCO, DeltaPoint PRO and Trijicon MRO and SRS were the other ones tested.
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Old 09-30-2018, 6:33 PM
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I sent all my Eotechs in for a refund back during their whole debacle and been running nothing but Aimpoints and Trijicons ever since. BUT, I'm willing to give them a second chance. Waiting for my DD MK18 to get out of NFA jail and considering putting an EXPS2 with the new green reticle on it.
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Old 10-01-2018, 12:29 AM
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Good for EOTech. I wonder iv Vortex UH-1 was considered. I slightly prefer it to the EOTech, but both are good.

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I heard a few were circulated. The guys I talked to didn't really like them.
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Old 10-01-2018, 8:28 PM
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I heard a few were circulated. The guys I talked to didn't really like them.
Did they indicate why? I am very curious. I know a few people at Crane, but not anyone involved with this.

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Old 10-02-2018, 11:16 AM
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Did they indicate why? I am very curious. I know a few people at Crane, but not anyone involved with this.

ILya
Some say the reticle is fuzzy, others picked up some sort of weird refresh rate flickering.

Not even sure if it's NV compatible either which makes it a non-starter for any military sight.
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I sent all my Eotechs in for a refund back during their whole debacle and been running nothing but Aimpoints and Trijicons ever since. BUT, I'm willing to give them a second chance. Waiting for my DD MK18 to get out of NFA jail and considering putting an EXPS2 with the new green reticle on it.
I was so impressed with Eotech's customer service approach to refund anyone's money, I intentionally bought two XPS2's out of principle. Having never shot an Eotech before these, I'm mad at myself for not getting them sooner. Incredibly nice optic for my use.
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EOTechs work great. Never had a problem with mine.
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I have two older Eotechs that have seen a lot of use and have always worked perfectly. I know it was fashionable for some to take advantage of Eotech's recent buyback, but I cannot in good conscience return something that has always worked as advertised.

I did see a really old 512 thumb screw snap on a department rifle, but it was very well worn and easy to replace without junking the entire optic.
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Old 10-11-2018, 4:49 AM
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I sent all my Eotechs in for a refund back during their whole debacle and been running nothing but Aimpoints and Trijicons ever since. BUT, I'm willing to give them a second chance. Waiting for my DD MK18 to get out of NFA jail and considering putting an EXPS2 with the new green reticle on it.
Did you actually experience thermal drift or did you just jump ship when the opportunity came to get something new?
I’m editing my response because your comment really grinds my gears. Seriously you probably never had an issue with them, thought if their paying me what I paid for them why not, then starting looking at new stuff to buy and now...... “Your willing to give them a second chance”?!? Maybe you did have issue but your comment I’m sure applies to many in this forum and other customer base. Rant over.

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I have two older Eotechs that have seen a lot of use and have always worked perfectly. I know it was fashionable for some to take advantage of Eotech's recent buyback, but I cannot in good conscience return something that has always worked as advertised.
I feel the same way Bobby. One of the 512’s I bought had an issue with the screen before the debacle. I sent it in and it was returned in a week fixed. I really cannot believe how many people got refunds because of an issue might happen. I feel like 99% of people just saw it an opportunity to get something new. Their customer service was so over the top.
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Did you actually experience thermal drift or did you just jump ship when the opportunity came to get something new?
I’m editing my response because your comment really grinds my gears. Seriously you probably never had an issue with them, thought if their paying me what I paid for them why not, then starting looking at new stuff to buy and now...... “Your willing to give them a second chance”?!? Maybe you did have issue but your comment I’m sure applies to many in this forum and other customer base. Rant over.
Mine worked fine, and I returned it. Full disclosure: I only used mine in some pretty benign weather conditions - it was a cool toy.

I returned it because they knowingly committed fraud (I believe that the court documents support this) and I hate liars. They committed this fraud regarding the performance of their widget against contractual requirements. The impact of those lies led to various weather-induced failures of the widget. Now any sight can fail, anything with a battery is more prone to failure, and soldiers tend to know those things...but it's that up-front lying part that grinds my gears.

Companies suddenly get very accommodating with commercial customer service when they're looking at the guilty end of major lawsuits. That means they'll eventually lose less money than they could if they clam up.
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Old 10-11-2018, 8:56 AM
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Did you actually experience thermal drift or did you just jump ship when the opportunity came to get something new?
I’m editing my response because your comment really grinds my gears. Seriously you probably never had an issue with them, thought if their paying me what I paid for them why not, then starting looking at new stuff to buy and now...... “Your willing to give them a second chance”?!? Maybe you did have issue but your comment I’m sure applies to many in this forum and other customer base. Rant over.
Assume much?

I don't owe you an explanation but just so you don't do too much damage to your gears....yes, I had issues with my Eotechs. One of them would drain the batteries monthly (and no, I didn't forget to turn it off) and the other one had issues with reticle brightness. Unacceptable to me in a military grade optic.
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Old 10-11-2018, 9:26 AM
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I have always preferred the EOTech due to the reticle. They're also better if you shoot with helmet mounted NVG's, due to the optic's larger window. You can mount the EOTech on a high riser and basically look through it and shoot. A lot of guys in CAG and Ground Branch run that setup.

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Mine worked fine, and I returned it. Full disclosure: I only used mine in some pretty benign weather conditions - it was a cool toy.

I returned it because they knowingly committed fraud (I believe that the court documents support this) and I hate liars. They committed this fraud regarding the performance of their widget against contractual requirements. The impact of those lies led to various weather-induced failures of the widget. Now any sight can fail, anything with a battery is more prone to failure, and soldiers tend to know those things...but it's that up-front lying part that grinds my gears.

Companies suddenly get very accommodating with commercial customer service when they're looking at the guilty end of major lawsuits. That means they'll eventually lose less money than they could if they clam up.
I return mine when the recall came out. I liked them but used the magnifier which exacerbated my astigmatism issues and they where heavy. I’ve found the illuminated 1-4 and 1-6 point blank scopes a better option for me. Glad they fixed whatever the problem was.
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Old 10-11-2018, 11:06 AM
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I still run my Eotech with the crappy N cell. It's in a GGG mount which is practically indestructible. Not the greatest with astigmatism,but it's fast on steel, that's for sure.
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Did you actually experience thermal drift or did you just jump ship when the opportunity came to get something new?
I’m editing my response because your comment really grinds my gears. Seriously you probably never had an issue with them, thought if their paying me what I paid for them why not, then starting looking at new stuff to buy and now...... “Your willing to give them a second chance”?!? Maybe you did have issue but your comment I’m sure applies to many in this forum and other customer base. Rant over.

I really cannot believe how many people got refunds because of an issue might happen. I feel like 99% of people just saw it an opportunity to get something new.
Wow mother; looks like you need a lesson in using a stick shift.
I had purchased two EOTech models just prior to the discovery of their "big lie" and offer to buy them back. One of the sights ACTUALLY EXHIBITED the problem of thermal drift, of which I carefully documented and kept track of. At the time I discovered what was actually happening, I was not fully aware of the generous offer and recall, but I was very disappointed to say the least. I will NEVER put up with faulty equipment that is kept for the purpose of self defense in our rural setting. Upon learning of the offer, I didn't hesitate to sell back both units; I ended up going with Aimpoint Pro models, and haven't looked back.
One of my kids is currently deployed overseas in a military unit that uses electronic sights; like hell if I'm going to give a pass to a company that pulls those shenanigans.
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Thermal drift, if at all, may have been experienced due to starting out cold as hell on a HALO and landing in a much warmer area.
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This topic always whips up strong opinions. I never fielded an Eotech equipped rifle in the military, only iron sights. But even then it was never on a two way range. Just training. Our LE patrol rifles I encountered later had old Eotech 512's that worked well. Those optics took more of a beating from being on "community" rifles than from live fire.

I readily confess that my Vortex, PA, and Burris optics suit me just as well as my Eotechs considering none get more abuse than normal dust and dirt from outdoor desert shooting. I would guess that Aimpoint and Eotech know that their devices are often in the hands of shooters who dont wring enough hard use of them to justify the extra $$ over the brands I mentioned above, but that some people just like tier 1 stuff for their inner operator. Nothing wrong with that either!
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Thermal drift, if at all, may have been experienced due to starting out cold as hell on a HALO and landing in a much warmer area.
In my exact case, the actual measured difference was 78F. This was in a one and two week time span. Elevation change was 3K'.
Interestingly, the results were repeatable.
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I recall someone did the same thermal drift tests and all the other major players failed as well.

If you think your red dot doesn’t experience thermal drift in large temp swings, you will likely be disappointed by the truth.
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I recall someone did the same thermal drift tests and all the other major players failed as well.

If you think your red dot doesn’t experience thermal drift in large temp swings, you will likely be disappointed by the truth.

^^^This......too many fools dont understand the dynamics. They only listen to “Fake news” lol
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A fast, but heavy optic...
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I turned in my two EOTechs not because they had any kind of drift, but mainly because they were beat to ****, and L3 offered to pay me full price for them. Once I got my checks, I bought a brand new one at a discount, and bought a T2 to check it out. Win/win for EN.
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I sent all my Eotechs in for a refund back during their whole debacle and been running nothing but Aimpoints and Trijicons ever since. BUT, I'm willing to give them a second chance. Waiting for my DD MK18 to get out of NFA jail and considering putting an EXPS2 with the new green reticle on it.
Because of people doing this SHT -
I was able to purchase THIS new / never used -

https://www.opticsplanet.com/v/exps3...3-red-dot.html

$00.55 of the current price. I should have purchased another. Great Circle dot. The only thermal drift is caused by ME. It would be nice to be able to blame something else.
It currently sits on a 40SW AR assembly 1350 / 1375Fps with 165gr. Not a real hot load but quite accurate for a PPC / 16" barrel.
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