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The indication of a normal guy getting an LTC can be found in my RivCo poll thread in the LTC forum. As for middle ground, that would be giving substantive things in your daily life that may put you at risk. You have to substantiate what you need "personal protection" from. The advice that has been given by the RCSO CCW deputies is to list ALL of the reasons you have. Just think about activities, areas you frequent, stuff you tote around, or anything that would make you a desirable target for a bad guy. Or you can wait until CGF has the GC statements released from RCSO. By all indication, it shouldn't be too much longer. Your choice. Here's the thing. No one is going to hold your hand and guide you to the water. If you want the LTC bad enough, you will put the effort into it and get one. RivCo is possible. I think you know that by now. You have to be willing to put in the work to get it. Sorry, but that is the harsh reality of the current situation. |
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I'll be very curious as to the GC statements when they become available. As to your thread, perhaps you are talented at looking into the tea leaves, but I'm not seeing anybody say "I'm a normal guy and got approved." I can think of plenty of circumstances where RCS would issue, but I really doubt "just in case when I go to walmart" or "I go to ranges a handful of times a year" would fly. I have also spoken verbally to people that were denied for using the "frequent range visitor" bit. If I thought there were reasonable odds of getting a permit, I'd get one. I don't however have the $ to piss away when I have no reason to believe it will go anywhere.
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Just another positive reinforcement!
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I live in Indio also. Thanks (in advance) for taking the time to reply. |
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I emailed Brandon yesterday, and he is still waiting to hear from Riverside. Said he expects something soon.
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Don't expect them to ever be handed out like candy. If you really want one, get in the game and start the process. There are plenty of people here willing to offer advice and help if you are serious about it.
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This forum is here for exactly that, information.
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Hmmmm. OK. I thought I just extended my hand. I meant ltc's won't be handed out like candy, not the information. No high horse here. I guess I just have nothing to offer.
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The forum was set up for "Information on how to get a LTC in your County".
He was only asking for updates and I assume it was updates as to CGF handling/posting of Riverside County good cause statements.
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He said he "really wants to apply". I was trying to make the point that he should. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.
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Thanks for the offer to help me with my good cause statement. I appreciate both of your help. If the offer is still there, I will pm you as I have some questions.
My original post was looking to see if any updates were available so I could see others good cause statements and see if mine is "worthwhile". |
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I may have been a bit harsh as well with my reply. This state is frustrating to say the least...
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Sometimes I tend to take the tough-love approach with folks. |
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I know that my good cause was not the most compelling in the world, but I also have it on very good authority that LTCs were issued to others with a very similar good cause. Riverside County requires that you play the game their way if you want a LTC. There is a reason that there are only 423 active permits in a county with over 1.5 million residents.
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You continue to try to discourage others from applying, in spite of evidence to the contrary. What is your goal here? |
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I want people to understand that Riverside county does not follow the law (requires additional forms not autorized by law, requires payment for training prior to good cause evaluation). I want people to understand that the perception that it is easy to get at LTC in Riverside county is wrong. While there may be an increase in the number of LTCs in Riverside county, the fact remains that Riverside (0.273%) is still worse than San Diego (0.302%). My goal is to present all the facts to anyone who is considering applying in Riverside county. Obvisously your experience with the CCW unit was different than mine, but that does not change my experience. Lets get all the facts out in the open and let people decide for themselfs if they are willing risk about $300 and 2 days off work.
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RivCo does not REQUIRE the additional forms. They ask for the additional information to help them make a decision. You are free to decline filling in the information. RivCo has changed their fee structure (thanks to CGF) to comply with the law. I have never claimed that it was "easy" to get a LTC in RivCo. I tell people that it is POSSIBLE to get one, if they are willing to put in the work. Yes, total issuance numbers are low, but you cannot deny that the 89% increase in the last year is an indicator that things are changing. If RivCo was not issuing more openly, there is no way you would see that sharp of an increase. And San Diego is only on track for a maximum 7% increase. Current standing is a decrease of 1%. How long will that progress keep them in front of RivCo? Yes, our personal experiences were different. I went in with the goal of obtaining a permit. You seem to have gone in with the intention of bucking the system. I'm not implying that you were wrong in your approach. If reform was your goal, you probably helped in that. Just don't act surprised at the outcome. So, now that you have gotten all of the facts out in the open, what will your approach be? You can continue to nay-say, but what are you really accomplishing? How is that helping anyone that truly wants or needs a permit? I choose to let people know that it is POSSIBLE get a permit if they put in the effort. Maybe they have to conform to the system a little. Maybe they have to jump through a couple of hoops. Maybe there is some risk. Keep in mind that for some people, these small sacrifices are worth going through. For those that REALLY want a permit, I offer to help them to the best of my ability. |
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Will Riverside county issue to normal, non connected citizens: Yes. But, and this is a big but, you still have to have a good cause that is acceptable to Sheriff Sniff. This is the point I am trying to make. You have to play the game in Riverside county. I don't have an acceptable good cause and I'm not willing to "craft" one. The statement that you made about the CCW unit wanting people to apply is wrong in my experience (Dept. Yezzo sure didn't want me to apply). If they wanted people to apply they would at least follow the law. You advocate playing by the unfair and unlawful rules of Riverside county in order to secure an LTC (that great for those few it will work for). I want everyone to know that Riverside county is using unfair and unlawful rules in the hopes that things will change and ALL residents will have the ability to obtain an LTC.
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I do not advocate playing by unlawful or "unfair" (whatever that means) rules. I advocate people getting their LTC. Period. Look, I have not had a single person come back to me and say that my advice was crap. I have not heard from anyone that I have advised that they were denied. When I start to get feedback that my advice is ineffective or incorrect, I will stop giving it. Bottom line. You seem to make your analysis based on your situation alone. I am making mine based on input from many sources. And I will continue to evaluate my stance as time passes, based on new and relevant input. BTW, you don't have to "craft" an untrue GC. Just look at what parts of your life will fit with what the RCSO wants to see. I NEVER advocate lying to ANYONE! |
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I was robbed at gun point this past april in la quinta and the guys got my license and info from my wallet and are out on bail waiting for trial. I am currently awaiting a letter of recomendation from the assistant D.A in indio for my ccw...ive just completed my application and will keep you updated
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I got mine form Riverside County since I started posting in this thread. Took 15 1/2 weeks from the day I handed in the app to the day I picked it up. |
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I'm happy to hear that you got it, but I think that processing time is ridiculous. If a person chose to pursue obtaining an LTC because (s)he got into a situation like longbeachskater's, then being unable to legally carry a weapon for self-defense for several months in the face of a clear and present danger would be unconscionable.
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Exactly how does a restraining order prevent a criminal from murdering you?
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http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12025.5.html
and http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12031.html ((j)(2) near the bottom) If you have a RO, and truly fear for your life, you carry the stupid gun, and keep your mouth shut about it. Ideally nobody ever knows about it, and you never need it. If you need it, you won't regret having it. If you somehow screw up, forget that concealed means concealed, and have to explain yourself to an officer, have the RO and a copy of the laws with you. If that officer wants to be an Adam Henry, you hope the DA has better sense. Worst case the jury gets black and white instructions saying you had justification to violate the sections, and even if you get 12 blithering morons that convict you anyway, you are looking at 2 non-prohibiting misdemeanors that are normally about $600 each and no jail time for first offenses. A winning the lottery type odds risk of a $1200 fine would be an after thought if I thought I had a stalker to deal with.
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(b) Upon trial for violating Section 12025, the trier of fact shall determine whether the defendant was acting out of a reasonable belief that he or she was in grave danger. Last edited by lawaia; 12-19-2011 at 12:55 PM.. |
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Got it. Thanks for the explanation.
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Good day all,
After reading quite a few different articles and reasons for approval denial, I was wanting to know what you think about these reasons. Thank you all for your time and your opinions regarding my GC. Quote:
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