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6.5mm Lead Free Projectiles
I posted a link to this 6 mo ago, and since then several new bullets have come available from Maker Bullets, Cavity Back Bullets and Lehigh Defense.
Great news for the 6.5mm hunter in CA. http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showt...he-6.5-Grendel |
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The original Chaos was designed for varmint eradication - creating a significant wound without over penetration. The new version will be interesting and give similar results with less fragmentation.
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Cavity Back Bullets on the approved list.
https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/hunting/...tion/certified So is Lehigh. Last edited by 6.5Grendelfan; 09-20-2017 at 3:22 PM.. |
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They look very different than the approved 95gr Controlled Chaos.
How will they determine which bullet you use? My guess is that probably they will be placing the burden of proof back on you. |
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I know of nothing they can carry in the field that would work to check for lead free. Going around confiscating a round from every hunter they run into and logging the info sounds like, well, a joke. I'm all for using this new projectile as I need a replacement for the 123 sst but would like to know how they will go about checking all of those that don't. Keep us posted on the results of these new projectiles. I'm guessing around 107 gr for the copper load for Grendel will be the sweet spot. Last edited by AGGRO; 11-30-2017 at 8:16 PM.. |
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I have little field experience with copper bullets.
My observations on smaller caliber bullets and nosler partitions was not favorable. It is analogous. I have killed about 100 deer and hogs in California. Witnessed a bunch more than that. Smaller cals, 6mm, 25, etc need violent expansion to kill cleanly. Back in the lead days partitions behaved like modern all copper bullets. They penciled thought and came out the off side. Most to of the time the deer or hog required multiple hits to fall, or was lost. My son shot his first pig, a tiny one, with a 308 and barnes copper bullets....three times, in the chest, before it fell. I now use a 35 Whelen and Barnes copper ammo. Hopefully the larger bullet will take care of business. My point is that copper bullets suck. Hedge your bet and go larger. |
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Actually there is a handheld unit thats used to read the elements of any material. Its call an xrf reader. They can hook it up to a laptop and powered by the patrol vehicles electrical system. Only thing is the unit is very pricey. Though im sure kommi can afford it with all the increased taxes and fees
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I wish nosler would make a lead free in 6.5 its just compressed copper shavings. right now for my 260 its costing 60.00 for 100 rounds of barnes ttsx.
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I blasted a hog with 6-5 Grendel with E-Tip
Full Speed run at 150 yards with a Nosler E-Tip from a 24" ALexander Arms Overwatch. Hand load. DEVASTED rear quarter and ruined both hams. I can tell you honestly that E-tips actually DO expand at anything over 1800 feet and make huge wound cavities. That hog kicked into high gear because I didn't lead it enough and placed the shot poorly. Won't be shooting at moving targets again, that's for sure. It ran about 30 more yards around the corner into some trees and laid down in the grass. When I walked up into it's view it got up and tried to "charge" me, in vain. I head shot it and dropped it, however, it was still twitching and my buddy head shot it again because he got there first, but the head shot I did blew it's jaw off and made quite a mess of things. Bone splinters everywhere. Same for the hams unfortunately. I am going to stick with these new lead free bullets to avoid the lead splatter in the meat. Like anything, you have to use the right gun and ammo for the right task.
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My experiences so far with etips is it has shot groups so so to horrible. But i havent tested enough of it to throw in the towel. The last factory loads i shot by nosler etips in 6.5c shot 3-4” groups. Dissapointed i was. Smh
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As a hunter who rolls his own; I can say with certainty that the 127gr Barnes LRX is the best California Approved lead-free bullet for the 6.5. I have killed numerous deer and pigs with this little wonder-bullet over the last few years.
The rare instances where bullets are actually recovered, they exhibit perfect expansion and weight retention. These bullets are also extremely accurate. I find it easy to regularly get 5-shot groups in the .2"s with these bullets. I have not had near as good results with the GMX and Nosler E-tip. In my opinion, the 127gr LRX is an obvious winner here. |
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I use 6.5 E-Tips for my Creedmoor, and half that price.
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When you say “not as good results”, do you mean accuracy or hunting performance. If performance, in what way?
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The 127 LRX has shot very well out of my 6.5x55 also, but it's way too long for the grendel.
The 85 trex has had good reviews on hogs, but won't do any good if it doesn't make it on the approved list. |
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