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Old 05-16-2020, 3:39 PM
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BassPro website shows the 41 for $939.97 on sale. That's the cheapest price I've seen in a while. I have not contacted Rancho Cucamonga to see if they can sell it in CA. Just a fyi for anyone interested. Thanks.
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They also have the S&W 63 for $549.97. That's cheap too.
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The 41 can be sold in California, It is not on the roster. But it is exempt from the roster by way of the Olympic Target Pistol exemption.

That is a very good price. I think that I paid around $1200 for mine.

They are neat guns but there have been some quality issues with the new ones. The assemblers at Smith and Wesson are not as skilled as the ones in the past. If I had to do it all over again I would buy a used one from the 80's or earlier.
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The 41 can be sold in California, It is not on the roster.
But it is exempt from the roster by way of the Olympic Target Pistol exemption.

That is a very good price.
I think that I paid around $1200 for mine.
wow.
I paid $500 around 10 years ago.
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I paid $500 around 10 years ago.

I paid $200 for mine. That was over 25 years ago. Bought it from a friend of a friend.


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BassPro website shows the 41 for $939.97 on sale. That's the cheapest price I've seen in a while. I have not contacted Rancho Cucamonga to see if they can sell it in CA. Just a fyi for anyone interested. Thanks.
Any idea how long at that price?
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The 41 can be sold in California, It is not on the roster. But it is exempt from the roster by way of the Olympic Target Pistol exemption.

That is a very good price. I think that I paid around $1200 for mine.

They are neat guns but there have been some quality issues with the new ones. The assemblers at Smith and Wesson are not as skilled as the ones in the past. If I had to do it all over again I would buy a used one from the 80's or earlier.
I paid $1300 + tax + Dros for mine. The new one with laser engrave s/n.
S&W below 1K is a BUY BUY BUY.
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What a smoking deal! It's out of stock though. I paid somewhere in the 1500 including tax and transfer fee.
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The 41 can be sold in California, It is not on the roster. But it is exempt from the roster by way of the Olympic Target Pistol exemption.

That is a very good price. I think that I paid around $1200 for mine.

They are neat guns but there have been some quality issues with the new ones. The assemblers at Smith and Wesson are not as skilled as the ones in the past. If I had to do it all over again I would buy a used one from the 80's or earlier.

There are literally 3 guys at S&W that work on/ manufacture them, the same 3 guys that have been doing it for years...

If I had a penny for every time I heard "there have been some quality issues with the new ones" I would be as rich as Trump.
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There are literally 3 guys at S&W that work on/ manufacture them, the same 3 guys that have been doing it for years...

If I had a penny for every time I heard "there have been some quality issues with the new ones" I would be as rich as Trump.
I find that really hard to believe. If they are they need to retire.

If you go to the Model 41 section of Rimfire Central you can see many examples of new 41s with issues. It is very predictable, someone goes on there asking questions about buying a 41, then a few months later they post about feeding issues with standard velocity target ammunition.

On my gun I had feeding and extraction issues right out of the box. After looking at the chamber with a bore scope I noticed several large gouges in the chamber, like the reamer broke during chambering. I sent it back to them and they replaced the barrel with a new one. When I got it back it still had feeding issues. Again, issue with the barrel. Several replacement parts later I finally have a good shooter but it took a lot of effort.

It is a great design but the current model is not made like the older guns.
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I picked up my mid 70's manufactured one with a big stack of spare magazines for 800 bucks about 2 years ago. Great little pistol, and a great deal. I occasionally think about putting one of the long barrels on it.

If I was shopping for one, I'd be hard pressed to not jump on that price at BassPro.
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Does anyone know a good SW 41 gunsmith in LA? Mine has feeding and extraction issue. ~10% failure rate with SV CCI. When it fails to feed, I fire and strike the empty chamber. The problem is most severe after gun is cleaned.

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I find that really hard to believe. If they are they need to retire.

If you go to the Model 41 section of Rimfire Central you can see many examples of new 41s with issues. It is very predictable, someone goes on there asking questions about buying a 41, then a few months later they post about feeding issues with standard velocity target ammunition.

On my gun I had feeding and extraction issues right out of the box. After looking at the chamber with a bore scope I noticed several large gouges in the chamber, like the reamer broke during chambering. I sent it back to them and they replaced the barrel with a new one. When I got it back it still had feeding issues. Again, issue with the barrel. Several replacement parts later I finally have a good shooter but it took a lot of effort.

It is a great design but the current model is not made like the older guns.
All factory produced guns are going to have issues "here and there." If there were that many issues people would stop buying them.

You're always going to find more "my gun is messed up" posts than not, most people only post when they have issues.

Rimfire target pistols are finicky with ammo. just because a box says "target" doesn't mean its a match grade quality target ammo. Most "cycling" issues can be traced to poor quality ammo, or guys that refuse to try more than one or two types to see what works best in their gun.
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Will CCI HV damage SW 41? I think SV is too weak to break in the new recoil spring. It seems to me the slide takes more effort to cycle, much more than my Buckmark, which requires HV.
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Will CCI HV damage SW 41? I think SV is too weak to break in the new recoil spring. It seems to me the slide takes more effort to cycle, much more than my Buckmark, which requires HV.
Your Buck Mark will shoot anything if you spend 1 to 2 minutes lightly cleaning up the rail surfaces with a fine Scotch Brite pad.
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Will CCI HV damage SW 41? I think SV is too weak to break in the new recoil spring. It seems to me the slide takes more effort to cycle, much more than my Buckmark, which requires HV.
I read Rimefire Central and most people there recommend SV, I feed my NIB SW-41 with CCI SV only since the day one, no problem at all.
The reason I feed it with CCI SV only is: A while back, CCI SV on sale and I hoarded 20K rounds.
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Does anyone know a good SW 41 gunsmith in LA? Mine has feeding and extraction issue. ~10% failure rate with SV CCI. When it fails to feed, I fire and strike the empty chamber. The problem is most severe after gun is cleaned.

However, It is accurate and can group 3 at 100yard using a pistol scope.
I don't know a gunsmith in the LA area.

But, I know that some people with the same feeding issues as you have had success with putting a drop of oil on the first round in the magazine when shooting their Model 41 after cleaning.

You can give that a try it is an easy thing to try.
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I don't know a gunsmith in the LA area.

But, I know that some people with the same feeding issues as you have had success with putting a drop of oil on the first round in the magazine when shooting their Model 41 after cleaning.

You can give that a try it is an easy thing to try.

Lubing the initial rounds is a very good idea. I will give it a try.

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Does anyone know a good SW 41 gunsmith in LA?
When it fails to feed, I fire and strike the empty chamber.
Do you have a dent in the chamber edge from the firing pin striking the chamber during dry fire?



That can definitely cause problems.

I am in the LA area and can fix that problem.
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The 41 can be sold in California, It is not on the roster. But it is exempt from the roster by way of the Olympic Target Pistol exemption.

That is a very good price. I think that I paid around $1200 for mine.

They are neat guns but there have been some quality issues with the new ones. The assemblers at Smith and Wesson are not as skilled as the ones in the past. If I had to do it all over again I would buy a used one from the 80's or earlier.
All of the above.

Ya...roster exempt.

Though I don't know that I'd refrain from a new one at that price point.
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My 80's(?) 41 cycles CCI SV perfectly. I tried some Aguila match stuff and they were a little weak to reliably cycle. The Aguila was slightly better accuracy though.

I haven't played around with much else.
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Do you have a dent in the chamber edge from the firing pin striking the chamber during dry fire?



That can definitely cause problems.

I am in the LA area and can fix that problem.

Thanks, Randall. I hit empty chamber ten times due to FTF. No dent yet. The clue is it occurs most during initial 20-30 rounds, when gun is clean. Interestingly, it becomes reliable after 50 rounds.

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The 41 can be sold in California, It is not on the roster. But it is exempt from the roster by way of the Olympic Target Pistol exemption.

That is a very good price. I think that I paid around $1200 for mine.

They are neat guns but there have been some quality issues with the new ones. The assemblers at Smith and Wesson are not as skilled as the ones in the past. If I had to do it all over again I would buy a used one from the 80's or earlier.
I bought a used 41 for $1K with both barrels. It's from the '70's. It came with a log of every shot fired and a period correct red dot sight.


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Will CCI HV damage SW 41? I think SV is too weak to break in the new recoil spring. It seems to me the slide takes more effort to cycle, much more than my Buckmark, which requires HV.
Just like magazine springs, I'm not aware of the need to "break in the new recoil spring" on the Model 41 or anything else.


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Thanks, Randall. I hit empty chamber ten times due to FTF. No dent yet. The clue is it occurs most during initial 20-30 rounds, when gun is clean. Occasionally the case is struck, I had to use a rod to push it out (like a case stuck in a rifle resizing die?). Interestingly, it becomes reliable after 50 rounds.
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Will CCI HV damage SW 41? I think SV is too weak to break in the new recoil spring. It seems to me the slide takes more effort to cycle, much more than my Buckmark, which requires HV.
How many rounds do you have through it? It took longer for my 41 I bought last year to break in than what I'd consider normal, roughly 500 rounds. I personally would only after trying 10+ different types of ammo, and I'd try to limit it as much as possible. Mine shoots Lapua OSP the best. I usually buy 10 or so different 50 round boxes to test what works best before buying in bulk, or dedicating a certain ammo type to it.
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Reading this, I do recall now that I have a brick of CCI SV that does not cycle my M41 for some reason. It's of newer manufacture, with the new design on the 50 round box but the same design on the brick box. It is very accurate, but probably 3 of 4 fail to cycle it. It works in my old worn out MkII though.

I just used up most of that brick in my AR22 instead, but I was annoyed that it happened.
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But, I know that some people with the same feeding issues as you have had success with putting a drop of oil on the first round in the magazine when shooting their Model 41 after cleaning.

You can give that a try it is an easy thing to try.

I lubed all CCI SV cases with Hornady One Shot. It worked. 100% reliable cycling. Thanks for the tip.


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You can make your own case lube for reloading and lubrication like this for about 1/10 the cost of Hornady.

Lanolin and alcohol. You can use Heet if alcohol is hard to find.

12:1 Heet/alcohol.

https://ultimatereloader.com/2017/05...own-case-lube/



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