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View Poll Results: To communicate or not?
Yes, you may really need to talk to others 13 72.22%
No, you want to remain stealthy 1 5.56%
Doesn't much matter, pick your poison 2 11.11%
Bacon 2 11.11%
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Old 08-13-2019, 9:25 AM
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Default SW/Ham radio - to talk or not

I'm looking to upgrade my radio. I go back and forth. On the one hand, communication could be useful with others. On the other hand, I just want to listen and get info but don't want to communicate. Which do you prefer?
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Fear the Walking Dead, VHF boat radio episodes...

Season 2 or 3?
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Perhaps it better to stick with gmrs for communication within your group and only use an SW for listening?
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It depends on if you are talking tactics or equipment. In other words the ability to transmit and actually transmitting are 2 different things.

I want the ability to transmit, and I would recommend that to others. Especially since there are affordable options to do so. You never know what scenario you'll be in: wife has a medical emergency and will die without treatment - sure broadcasting is a risk, but if my wife's life was on the line that's a risk I'd be willing to take, even if it killed me. What if there's someone out there who has information but they're just waiting for someone to ask? If the opposing force is military in nature they probably have good comms & the ability to find you if you transmit, but if the opposing force is a prison gang they are unlikely to have the knowledge or equipment to find you.

From an Opsec perspective I would recommend not transmitting unless necessary, and then taking precautions - keep transmissions short, use the minimum power necessary, transmit mobile, and never transmit where it would lead anyone to your true location, also be careful what you say on the radio that might give away your location.
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The ability to transmit gives you many options. One of them is: if you do not know if the "enemy" is in the area or has positioning ability, you can find a nice clear mountaintop a days walk from your location, go there, transmit, give false information and stay on long enough at full power that anyone with the proper equipment would be able to lock on to your signal, then stop transmitting and as fast as you can leave that spot and go to another spot where you can observe your transmitting location - then sit and hide and wait; if no one shows up you've gained valuable intel, and is someone does show up then you've gained very valuable intel. Without the ability to transmit you would not have this option.
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practice with your ham until
1- it's second nature
2- you get bugs worked out og gear
3- you join a club that has a repeater
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I absolutely would want the ability to transmit. Just because you can doesn't mean you have to. I also want the ability to do that while mobile/away from my home base. Ideally I'd like prearranged mobile comms capability with nearby neighbors who I trust.

Some of the reasons have already been mentioned.



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at some point, you may find you or someone in your group. needs better medical help then you have in your camp.
great way to talk to others in your group, maybe about another group made up of only armed thugs heading toward your camp.
just a way to help things get better by connecting like minded groups together.
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It's easy to earn a Technician amateur radio license. I did it in one day
http://w6nbc.com/
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It's easy to earn a Technician amateur radio license. I did it in one day
http://w6nbc.com/
Comes easier for some than others, a guy posted the other day saying he failed 3 times I believe. You can memorize the stuff, which is pretty lame, or study your butt off to LEARN. I actually struggled with tech but passed, then aced General later on. Studied a lot for General.
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You will learn more from lots of listening, then listen more, it really helps new guys pick up decent procedures/etiquette. God gave us 2 ears and one mouth for a reason...Then push yourself to make contacts, get over the mic shyness thing. Lots of digital modes and CW to make contacts if you still don't want to talk.
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Comes easier for some than others, a guy posted the other day saying he failed 3 times I believe. You can memorize the stuff, which is pretty lame, or study your butt off to LEARN. I actually struggled with tech but passed, then aced General later on. Studied a lot for General.
It does come easier for some. In all fairness, I studied/read the ARRL manual and practice tests for about three months and didn't actually learn anything. The concepts were as elusive to me as was music theory when I tried to learn that.

So I found WNBC and got licensed in 1 day. There's not very much activity around here (SLO County) on 2meter/70cm but I do check in with the ARES net weekly.
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Perhaps it better to stick with gmrs for communication within your group and only use an SW for listening?
MURS is popular in some circles.
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Setup a net control to monitor all traffic and to direct your local traffic on MURS or GMRS. Better to have a Mobile with power and a big antenna that can direct traffic to all the HT's. HT simplex to HT will not really work well and not give you much coverage, consider all repeaters taken over by public safety.You need a net control for the hub of the wheel and HT's as the spokes.
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Here is a guy that made a clandestine repeater out of a cheap radio, battery and solar panel. He has it stashed in the foothills. I think he is east of Manteca/Modesto.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSS...SU9wNcN5VpgoEw
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OP did you go to your other thread about your old receiver, and try the links I posted for free internet SDR (software defined radios) linked receivers for listening to the HF Bands??

Having been licensed for over 43 years now with an 'Advanced Class' (Grandfathered in) Amateur Radio License where I tested in a FCC Field Office and had to know morse code - long before the current VE amateur radio 'no code required' and they give you the questions and answers pool before you take the test program, I have no issues with transmitting during an emergency. I have done so during several Earthquakes, Floods, and Fires in years past.

In fact I have a State of California Office of Emergency Services Registered Disaster Service Worker in Communications ID card (plus a Humboldt County one), for when there are disasters to get me past most roadblocks. I can transmit from home, in my vehicle, and out in the field on HF, or the VHF/ UHF bands all without commercial power off of batteries or generators.

They changed the looks of the ID cards, so I have no problems with showing what the old ones look like...



It is up to each person if they want to participate in emergency communications by transmitting, or if they want to just listen/ monitor their radios when other usual means of communications such as the internet and cell/ landline phones are out of order.
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You definitely want tx capabilities. How when and why to use it in a large scale disaster will be your choice. Plus what info you pass over the air in such a scenario, or even training, is important to consider. OpSec for you and your family is paramount in such a situation. Digital simplex is an easy cheap and legal way to “encrypt” your comms from a lot of the masses that may have stockpiled Chinese analog radios and scanners. It’s not technically encrypted, just most radios and receivers that folks have are analog only.


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Hermosabeach, whats the story with a club that has a repeater? Are they some how password protected to listen and transmit through? I really have no idea. Thanks.
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Hermosabeach, whats the story with a club that has a repeater? Are they some how password protected to listen and transmit through? I really have no idea. Thanks.
Do a search for amateur radio repeaters in your area. then see if they are listed as "open" for use of the general public. Or if they are closed, and for use of authorized/ paying members.

Here is where I did a quick search for California.

https://repeaterbook.com/repeaters/i...hp?state_id=06

What they have listed for Eureka, California.

https://repeaterbook.com/repeaters/l...ity&loc=Eureka

Offset Tone In / Out Location County Call Use Operational status
145.4700 -0.6 MHz 103.5 Eureka Humboldt W6ZZK OPEN Unknown status
146.7000 -0.6 MHz 103.5 Eureka Humboldt K6FWR OPEN ON-AIR
147.4450 -0.6 MHz 103.5 / 103.5 Eureka, Bunker Hill Humboldt WB6HII OPEN ON-AIR
442.0000 +5 MHz 100.0 Eureka, Horse Mountain Humboldt AE6R OPEN Unknown status

442.2250 +5.05 MHz Eureka Humboldt WA6RQX CLOSED Unknown status
444.7500 +5 MHz 100.0 Eureka, Bunker Hill Humboldt WA6RQX CLOSED Unknown status


edited to add, that they do not have listed all of the amateur radio repeaters in Eureka, California...
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Do a search for amateur radio repeaters in your area. then see if they are listed as "open" for use of the general public. Or if they are closed, and for use of authorized/ paying members.

Here is where I did a quick search for California.

https://repeaterbook.com/repeaters/i...hp?state_id=06

What they have listed for Eureka, California.

https://repeaterbook.com/repeaters/l...ity&loc=Eureka

OffsetTone In / OutLocationCountyCallUseOperational status
145.4700-0.6 MHz103.5EurekaHumboldtW6ZZKOPENUnknown status
146.7000-0.6 MHz103.5EurekaHumboldtK6FWROPENON-AIR
147.4450-0.6 MHz103.5 / 103.5Eureka, Bunker HillHumboldtWB6HIIOPENON-AIR
442.0000+5 MHz100.0Eureka, Horse MountainHumboldtAE6ROPENUnknown status

442.2250+5.05 MHzEurekaHumboldtWA6RQXCLOSEDUnknown status
444.7500+5 MHz100.0Eureka, Bunker HillHumboldtWA6RQXCLOSEDUnknown status


edited to add, that they do not have listed all of the amateur radio repeaters in Eureka, California...


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