Calguns.net  

Home My iTrader Join the NRA Donate to CGSSA Sponsors CGN Google Search
CA Semiauto Ban(AW)ID Flowchart CA Handgun Ban ID Flowchart CA Shotgun Ban ID Flowchart
Go Back   Calguns.net > FIREARMS DISCUSSIONS > Shotgun discussions
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Shotgun discussions Trap, Hunting, Defense and more. A place for enthusiasts to discuss the shotgun.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 06-10-2019, 11:01 AM
S.O.A.R.'s Avatar
S.O.A.R. S.O.A.R. is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: US of A.
Posts: 119
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default AGC Diablo Break Open 12Ga Pistol

So, I came across something interesting, and was wondering you guys' thoughts on it.
Is it really CA legal, and no FFL needed?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 06-10-2019, 12:55 PM
Dan_Eastvale's Avatar
Dan_Eastvale Dan_Eastvale is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
Posts: 1,671
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Black powder muzzle loaders are legal
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 06-10-2019, 1:56 PM
S.O.A.R.'s Avatar
S.O.A.R. S.O.A.R. is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: US of A.
Posts: 119
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Yea didnt read the muzzle loading part. Please delete. Lol.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 06-10-2019, 2:24 PM
elSquid's Avatar
elSquid elSquid is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Left coast.
Posts: 10,185
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Default

Only $380? Could be good for home defense.

Buy four of them: have two in left and right thigh holsters and the other two in left and right shoulder scabbards on the back.



— Mad Mike
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06-10-2019, 9:14 PM
Quiet's Avatar
Quiet Quiet is offline
retired Goon
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: San Bernardino County
Posts: 24,080
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by S.O.A.R. View Post
AGC Diablo Break Open 12Ga Pistol

So, I came across something interesting, and was wondering you guys' thoughts on it.
Is it really CA legal, and no FFL needed?
Yes, it is CA legal and no FFL is required to legally make/import/transfer it.

Under CA laws...

Because it is a blackpowder muzzle loading firearm, it is considered an "antique firearm" under CA laws. [PC 16170(b)]

Because it uses a breech plug primer ignition system (which is similar to a percussion cap ignition system) it is also an "antique firearm" that is exempt from CA generally prohibited weapons laws. [PC 16170(c)(1)]

Which means the following exemptions applies to the AGC Diablo break open muzzle loading blackpowder 12Gauge pistol...

"Antique firearms" [PC 16170(b)] are only exempt from the following CA firearm laws:
01. Infreqent transfers. [PC 16520(d)(1)]
02. CA DROS. [PC 16520(d)(2)]
03. Operation of law transfers. [PC 16520(d)(3)]
04. "used firearm" transfer laws. [PC 16520(d)(4)]
05. Unloaded handgun open carry laws. [PC 16520(d)(5)]
06. Unloaded long gun open carry laws. [PC 16520(d)(6)]
07. Requirement to be a CA FFL dealer in order to transfer it. [PC 16520(d)(7)]
08. CA FFL dealer requirements when transferring firearms. [PC 16520(d)(8)]
09. Required minimum age to transfer. [PC 16520(d)(9)]
10. Required identifying marks/engravings on handguns. [PC 16520(d)(10)]
11. 10 day waiting period. [PC 16520(d)(11)]
12. PPT requirement to transfer through CA FFL dealer. [PC 16520(d)(12)]
13. Registration requirement for importing into CA and requirement to use CA FFL dealer to legally import into CA. [PC 16520(d)(13)]
14. Requirement to be licensed as a manufacturer in order to legally make in CA. [PC 16520(d)(14)]
15. Residential firearm storage requirements. [PC 16520(d)(15)]
16. "home built firearm" marking/engraving and registration requirements. [PC 16520(d)(16)]

In addition to the above, specific types of "antique firearms" [PC 16170(c)] are also exempt from these additional CA firearm laws: [PC 17700]
01. Camouflaging firearm container laws.
02. Cane gun laws.
03. Unrecognizable firearm laws.
04. Short Barrel Rifle laws.
05. Short Barrel Shotgun laws.
06. Unconventional pistol laws.
07. Undetectable firearm laws.
08. Wallet gun laws.
09. Zip gun laws.
__________________


"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.” - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-11-2019, 4:31 PM
LEAD LAUNCHER LEAD LAUNCHER is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Simi Valley
Posts: 967
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by S.O.A.R. View Post
So, I came across something interesting, and was wondering you guys' thoughts on it.
Is it really CA legal, and no FFL needed?
...................



If you pick one of these up, don’t forget your magnetic dashboard mount for it!

Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06-11-2019, 4:35 PM
LEAD LAUNCHER LEAD LAUNCHER is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Simi Valley
Posts: 967
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Default

You could call it your ”conversation starter” on those pesky traffic stops.


..
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-12-2019, 3:03 AM
Quiet's Avatar
Quiet Quiet is offline
retired Goon
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: San Bernardino County
Posts: 24,080
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LEAD LAUNCHER View Post
If you pick one of these up, don’t forget your magnetic dashboard mount for it!

Under CA laws...
It needs to be unloaded to be transported in that manner and still be CA legal.
__________________


"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.” - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 06-12-2019, 4:14 AM
edgerly779 edgerly779 is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: canoga park, ca
Posts: 12,276
iTrader: 89 / 100%
Default

If a leo sees it likely it will be seized and you might be arrested then you can assert your 2a rights and fight it with a lawyer. Cost a lot of money for you to be right. Not worth it to me .
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 06-12-2019, 1:33 PM
LEAD LAUNCHER LEAD LAUNCHER is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Simi Valley
Posts: 967
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Default

Eeet was joke.....

Hence the “conversation starter” comment.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 06-12-2019, 1:37 PM
LEAD LAUNCHER LEAD LAUNCHER is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Simi Valley
Posts: 967
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quiet View Post
Under CA laws...
It needs to be unloaded to be transported in that manner and still be CA legal.
Well since you mentioned it, what actually are the transportation requirements in California for a black powder firearms, both handguns and long guns?

Similar to regular fire arms ,or more lax?


..,
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 06-12-2019, 2:52 PM
SoCalPI SoCalPI is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: South Orange County
Posts: 1,885
iTrader: 38 / 100%
Default

AGC vs. A300....
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 06-12-2019, 5:59 PM
Dan_Eastvale's Avatar
Dan_Eastvale Dan_Eastvale is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
Posts: 1,671
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

How long would you be able to carry a muzzleloader pistol in a car pointing down like that? Wouldn't the load start to fall out with the car moving or wouldn't humidity affect the charge?
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 06-12-2019, 9:53 PM
Quiet's Avatar
Quiet Quiet is offline
retired Goon
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: San Bernardino County
Posts: 24,080
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LEAD LAUNCHER View Post
Well since you mentioned it, what actually are the transportation requirements in California for a black powder firearms, both handguns and long guns?

Similar to regular fire arms ,or more lax?
More lax.

Unloaded antique firearms are exempt from CA unloaded open carry laws. [PC 16520(d)(5)&(6)]

Which means...
1. It's CA legal to transport them, unloaded, without needing to utilize a locked container or having them encased.
2. It's CA legal to open carry them, unloaded, in areas that do not prohibit the possession of firearms (GFSZ laws apply).
__________________


"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.” - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 06-13-2019, 5:48 AM
Elgatodeacero Elgatodeacero is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 353
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

This is purely novelty.

It takes a 27-28 inch barrel muzzleloader shotgun with 90 grains of black powder to effectively kill a wild turkey.

The very short barrel of this AGC Diablo, super light 1/2 ounce shot charge, and very low max powder charge (40 grains is very low for a shotgun load) means the pellets would have a hard time perforating a soda can and patterns will be very poor.

Last edited by Elgatodeacero; 06-13-2019 at 5:53 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 06-13-2019, 8:04 PM
hamajun's Avatar
hamajun hamajun is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: O.C.
Posts: 332
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

I wonder if Cory would give a handicap for this gun for Fun Gun Shootout. Argentina with muzzleloader would be interesting... I guess I'd place a special order for Briley to make a super-extended choke to meet their 24" barrel length policy.

https://www.moorenmoore.com/fun-gun-shootout/
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 06-13-2019, 8:33 PM
denpython denpython is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,207
iTrader: 5 / 100%
Default

Bad eyes,thought I read AOC in title.... Doh!
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 06-13-2019, 9:22 PM
LEAD LAUNCHER LEAD LAUNCHER is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Simi Valley
Posts: 967
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by denpython View Post
Bad eyes,thought I read AOC in title.... Doh!
Ha Ha- a “break open” AOC.

Well...a guy would have to hope that while he was “breaking her open” the bag didn’t fall off her head!

..,
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 6:55 PM.




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Proudly hosted by GeoVario the Premier 2A host.
Calguns.net, the 'Calguns' name and all associated variants and logos are ® Trademark and © Copyright 2002-2018, Calguns.net an Incorporated Company All Rights Reserved.
Calguns.net and The Calguns Foundation have no affiliation and are in no way related to each other.
All opinions, statements and remarks made by Calguns.net on this web site and elsewhere are solely attributable to Calguns.net.