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Old 03-27-2009, 12:40 PM
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LA Officials Ask for Federal Ban on Assault Weapons
NBC Los Angeles ^ | Mar 27, 2009 | NBC Los Angeles

Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 1125 AM by holymoly

A week after four Oakland police officers were gunned down by a parolee with a semiautomatic weapon, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and City Councilman Jack Weiss on Friday called for the federal government to reinstate a ban on assault weapons.

Before heading to the Bay Area this morning for the funerals of Oakland police Sgt. Mark Dunakin, Sgt. Ervin Romans, Sgt. Daniel Sakai and Officer John Hege, the mayor and councilman called for the renewal of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which prevented the sale of most semiautomatic weapons.

"This morning we are calling on Congress and the Obama administration to make gun control a top priority now and to reauthorize the assault weapons ban right away," Villaraigosa said. "Whether it's a police officer at a routine traffic stop or a teenager walking home from school, handguns, automatic rifles and AK-47s are a threat to the safety of every American."

It is estimated that one in five law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty is killed with an assault weapon.

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder indicated last month that the Obama Administration will pursue renewal of the ban.

"As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to re-institute the ban on the sale of assault weapons," Holder said in February.

The Federal Assault Weapons Ban was passed by Congress in 1994 and signed into law by President Bill Clinton. The law placed a 10-year ban on the sale of certain semiautomatic weapons, including military style semiautomatic rifles to civilians, but the ban was allowed to expire when George Bush became president.

There have been reports that people have been stocking up on guns because of rumors the Obama administration will crack down on gun ownership.
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I really hate Antonio.
Just wait till he's our governor...
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Just wait till he's our governor...
He won't pass muster (Issues with his past )
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What they fail to mention was this was an illegally gotten weapon. The dude was a parolee, therefore is/was not allowed to legally own any firearms.

Adam Carolla on his radio program referred to him as Villaretardo. That's an insult to retarded folks.
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Moonbeam would stomp him for Dem nomination to run for Gov !
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handguns, automatic rifles and AK-47s are a threat to the safety of every American."

But the assault weapons ban only does semiautomatics.....
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California is a different animal , (SEE Current Gov)
If you had to choose between him in Gavin? .... i dunno is Gavin more pro- gay than he is anti-gun?
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If you had to choose between him in Gavin? .... i dunno is Gavin more pro- gay than he is anti-gun?
MOONBEAM IS UNSTOPPABLE (DF & Twosome) will fall to the side for the Dem nomination for gov ...
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out of curiousity, what about meg whitman's bid??
any one know where she stands?
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Is she a former Biz woman who thinks big ?
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Not favorably, from what I recall.
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Villaraigosa is a DBag. I dont think many in Washington take him seriously.
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this is why the rest of the country hates our state.
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"It is estimated that one in five law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty is killed with an assault weapon."

So quoting some estimates from my memory.....so for the 2005 if 1 in 5 officers slain on duty was killed with an assault weapon that would total about 7 officers...total for the whole country. So all this focus is put on banning the weapons that killed 7 officers. What about the weapons that killed the other 4 out of 5? Shouldn't focus be on the weapons that kill 80% of the officers slain...not just the 20% killed with assault weapons?
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"It is estimated that one in five law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty is killed with an assault weapon."

So quoting some estimates from my memory.....so for the 2005 if 1 in 5 officers slain on duty was killed with an assault weapon that would total about 7 officers...total for the whole country. So all this focus is put on banning the weapons that killed 7 officers. What about the weapons that killed the other 4 out of 5? Shouldn't focus be on the weapons that kill 80% of the officers slain...not just the 20% killed with assault weapons?
Thats exactly what THEY are doing...
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He can ask for whatever he wants, but all he's going to get is a chance to pound sand in the face of self inflicted problems. It's all about appearances when what we have is a huge failure of leftist controlled government.

The problem is that those with similar ideals want more of the same. This is readily apparent when you understand that the Oakland shooter was a felon prohibited from owning firearms, let alone "assault weapons" if that is even true, not that it matters. Judging by his city I wouldn't suggest that anyone follow such an example if they want success.
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Thats exactly what THEY are doing...
I still go back to the thread I posted a few weeks ago that statistically speaking you are 2 to 3 times more likely to be murdered as an average citizen then you are as a LEO.

Why? Cuz LEOs have guns! Interesting that a group of people who regually deal with dirtbags and all carry guns have a lower percaptia murder rate then the group who isn't allowed to have guns.
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Dear Mayor
Your recent comments have me thinking if you believe the Bill of Rights should be overstamped "Void where prohibited by law".

I find it extremely offensive that you would seek to deny my rights because an insane person killed police officers. Insane laws that restrict freedoms of law abiding citizens will not prevent that.

The lowlife was a parolee, which means it was already illegal for him to possess a weapon. How will a new ban on a rifle's cosmetics prevent future felons from breaking the law? It won't and you know it. You are grandstanding for the ignorant among your constituents. I wanted you to know that this voter isn't fooled.

Lastly, what part of "shall not be infringed" don't you get?

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ABC television in LA announced at noon today that, even though Assault Weapons (the report didn't indicate what constituted an assault weapon) are illegal in California "residence can, because the national assault ban was repealed, go across the border to another state, and purchase an 'assault rifle'".
Now I know our brethren in the far Northern reaches of our state, who were not privy to this change in our laws, will start out at zero-dark-thirty for Nevada. (Put your scooter away Wes!) Please be advised, oh-fog-enshrouded brothers this was a Disney owned TV outlet, and though they may deem these as Mickey Mouse laws (as many of us do), their corporate thought process does not go any deeper then cartoon storyboards and the deep pockets of their stock holders.
On the flip side, they may know some gun sellers in other states that only require cash and have no-known interest or licensing agreements with federal licensing authorities. We of the more law-abiding bent hope other news organizations investigate these aberrations of legal (FLL licensed) gun vendors for the benefit of us all and ABC.
Bottom line is, no matter what our media says or thinks they may know, don't listen to their falderal: "He who walks behind an ***(donkey) walks in ****!"
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What they fail to mention was this was an illegally gotten weapon. The dude was a parolee, therefore is/was not allowed to legally own any firearms.

Adam Carolla on his radio program referred to him as Villaretardo. That's an insult to retarded folks.
Yeah, retarded folks would never do anything that stupid.
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It's hard to believe, but Moonbeam is just a few months younger than John McCain. Something about him still seems like a wide-eyed kid though.
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Trutanich runs against Weiss for City Attorney, you know. Make sure to vote if you live in L.A.
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As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals. Our Founding Fathers, faced with perils we can scarcely imagine, drafted a charter to assure the rule of law and the rights of man, a charter expanded by the blood of generations.

Obama's inauguration speech

A few things to ponder with your double standard on constitutional rights.

1. It's OK to take a hard line on constitutional rights when it comes to the questioning of enemy combatants or terrorists while pressing them for information which could reveal future terrorist plots and possibly save thousands of innocent lives?...Is that not the basis of our presidents speech?...or is it not?

His argument being, better to serve the ideals of our founding fathers than to begin down the slippery slope of erosion of our core values, laws, values, and ideals as spelled out in our constitution.

I can live with that...better to let some die than to lose our freedoms.

2, Its not OK to follow the 2nd amendment, the right to bear arms, because some idiots go off and kill people in spectacular, yet not mass killings like 9/11....what about the line "we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals." How does that square with banning a gun legal now, and legal 10 years ago, in California?

3. Gun laws cut down on violence...its not true and you know it. Strict gun laws do not lower crime rates. Right to carry laws however do...When the population is armed, criminals and tyrants are much more careful to trample upon the rights of others.

Mexico has very strict gun laws..and the criminals seem to have no problem obtaining guns. Oh...they all come from us? Yes, I see many RPG's in gun stores on a regular basis!

So which is it? Rights for terrorists who blatantly declare their intent to kill Americans...at any cost to our safety to preserve our sacred constitution...and gun laws to protect us from ourselves...and damn the constitution? Are you conflicted by this paradox? I am...I am also perplexed by your double standard.

And one last point Mr. Mayor, if we do not have guns, who will protect us from demagogues like you who would ask us to give away our rights in direct opposition to President Obama's call for observation of our nations highest laws?
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It's hard to believe, but Moonbeam is just a few months younger than John McCain. Something about him still seems like a wide-eyed kid though.
Dude, don't even go there. McWeasel would be even worse than Arnold for this state with his political cross dressing. If he were here, he'd probably even top it off with actual cross dressing.
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Dude, don't even go there. McWeasel would be even worse than Arnold for this state with his political cross dressing. If he were here, he'd probably even top it off with actual cross dressing.
I am going to devote my life to tracking you down and garroting you in your sleep for giving me the image of John McCain in a dress. I don't believe any jury in California would say it wasn't justifiable homicide.

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Sorry - where did this estimate come from?

I call BS.
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Dude, don't even go there. McWeasel would be even worse than Arnold for this state with his political cross dressing. If he were here, he'd probably even top it off with actual cross dressing.
hey look at the creepy stuff he did on late night tv. and rudi gulianni in his dress. i dunno some pols has those bones that are best left in the closet.
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Jerry Brown was the 34th Governor of California (1975-1983). Currently, state AG.

When he was gov last time, he had wacky ideas; not wasting state money, carpool lanes..Etc, was considered a very liberal..He is running for Gov next year and is considered conservative now, compared to Gavin, Antonio and Meg..

The Calguns Foundation folks like him..
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It's weird how he was considered liberal, of course following Ronald Reagan explains some of it. Yet Reagan passed the Mulford Act, which is unforgivable by our standards, and is directly responsible for throwing this state into the pit of hell. Can someone remind me in the afterlife to kick him in the balls for that?
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What they fail to mention was this was an illegally gotten weapon. The dude was a parolee, therefore is/was not allowed to legally own any firearms.

Adam Carolla on his radio program referred to him as Villaretardo. That's an insult to retarded folks.
Didn't he cheat on his wife with a telemundo news lady? How did the city ever elect this guy? The LAUSD sucks, traffic sucks, roads suck, among many other problems and he is wasting his time dealing with the National AWB? Dude you have bigger problems just look OUTSIDE!
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"It is estimated that one in five law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty is killed with an assault weapon."

What a bunch of B*** S***.

Here are the statistics for 2008.

Total Line of Duty Deaths: 134
Accidental: 1
Aircraft accident: 3
Assault: 2
Automobile accident: 36
Bomb: 2
Drowned: 1
Duty related illness: 4
Electrocuted: 1
Gunfire: 38
Gunfire (Accidental): 2
Heart attack: 7
Motorcycle accident: 9
Stabbed: 1
Struck by vehicle: 12
Train accident: 1
Vehicle pursuit: 3
Vehicular assault: 11

Of the 38 Gunfire deaths, 12 were confirmed handguns, 3 were with the officers own handgun, 4 were listed as rifles, 2 were shotguns, and 16 were with a unknown firearm, but the circumstances lean towards handguns in most of these. Only 1 (one) death was listed as an Assault Weapon/AK47.

That means that of all 134 listed Line of Duty death of Peace Officers in the USA for 2008 only one death was confirmed to be caused by someone with a "Assault Weapon"
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"It is estimated that one in five law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty is killed with an assault weapon."

What a bunch of B*** S***.

Here are the statistics for 2008.

Total Line of Duty Deaths: 134
Accidental: 1
Aircraft accident: 3
Assault: 2
Automobile accident: 36
Bomb: 2
Drowned: 1
Duty related illness: 4
Electrocuted: 1
Gunfire: 38
Gunfire (Accidental): 2
Heart attack: 7
Motorcycle accident: 9
Stabbed: 1
Struck by vehicle: 12
Train accident: 1
Vehicle pursuit: 3
Vehicular assault: 11

Of the 38 Gunfire deaths, 12 were confirmed handguns, 3 were with the officers own handgun, 4 were listed as rifles, 2 were shotguns, and 16 were with a unknown firearm, but the circumstances lean towards handguns in most of these. Only 1 (one) death was listed as an Assault Weapon/AK47.

That means that of all 134 listed Line of Duty death of Peace Officers in the USA for 2008 only one death was confirmed to be caused by someone with a "Assault Weapon"
I found this info on www.odmp.org
So to use this sites statistics even if we use the unknowns as AW deaths, the total would be 17 killed by "AK47's". 17 is 12.7% of 134 total deaths. So where the heck do they get 20%, "one in five"? It looks like it should be one in ten using supposed AW firearms and that is really stretching the number. So every time I or any thinking person hears or reads this current statistic know it is a LIE. Of course if you say it enough the sheep will believe.
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," Villaraigosa said. "Whether it's a police officer at a routine traffic stop or a teenager walking home from school, handguns, automatic rifles and AK-47s are a threat to the safety of every American."
I wonder if the reporter intentionally left out "semi-" in his description above, or if this is the actual quote?

Unfortunately for us their accomplices in the median never seem to be able to point out that "automatic rifles" are already heavily restricted.

If they do go this route, and somehow are successful, I believe the citizens of the US of A will then learn to be thankful for what is happening in Cali
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