Tombstone by Patriot Ordinance Factory

[Dirtlaw]

Does anyone know if this rifle is available in California? I know it's not a classic design and that will be offensive to some. I find it interesting though. I think the list is around $2K

[Dirtlaw]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwXAETnatXY&t=83s

[bonesurf]

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/975749266

There’s no reason you can’t have this one sent to your local FFL. the 20 rd mag version is a problem but this one is 10.

[Dirtlaw]

Think I'll get one and maybe 4 CA magazines. I'll wait on the larger magazines until Judge Benitez unleashes his magic.

[bonesurf]

I am not into it personally but I think that POF in general does good work? At least that’s my impression. If you get it, you got a post about it. I think I would be more interested if it used magazines from some thing like a Glock or if it was different calibers like 357

[Dirtlaw]

Originally Posted by bonesurf

I am not into it personally but I think that POF in general does good work? At least that?s my impression. If you get it, you got a post about it. I think I would be more interested if it used magazines from some thing like a Glock or if it was different calibers like 357

True story. Glock magazines would have been a better solution (even if only as an option as Ruger offered). But manufacturers mostly do what they do for their own pocket books.

[Dirtlaw]

I have not reviewed the law, but it seems to me there are shotguns and other levers that can hold more than 10 rounds. On the other hand, the manufacturer apparently recognizes and issue because it also offers 10 round mags. My guess is that this falls under the rule. Then again it is not semi-auto so maybe I should do some research when I have a chance.

[bonesurf]

Detachable vs not detachable.

[Dirtlaw]

Originally Posted by bonesurf

Detachable vs not detachable.

Understand. But why do they make life so difficult? That I don't understand. I do hope Benitez eliminates a lot of the insanity that troubles this State.

[200Apples]

I know it's not a classic design and that will be offensive to some.

I would be one of those so offended...

But I've become accustomed to the atrocious lever action, and to the point where when they're more or less "well done" by whomever is producing such a transmogrification, I can begin to see the underlying beauty in any efficiency created by any modern enhancements. The whole must be pondered.

I became used to the first Magpul furniture made for the Remington 870, for example, a decade ago. At least the lever action long gun depicted in the OP isn't a Mossberg SPX, see.

I kinda like it. Kinda. Now, I go wartch the vids and clicketh thine links.

[200Apples]

Three minutes later...

Eh.




It's kinda chunky looking; moreso than in the OP's quoted photograph.

I suppose if one has a huge stash of the 9 X 19 Parabellum cartridge, then...

I'll stick to my .357s, .41s, .44s and .45-70s for now.

[Dirtlaw]

Originally Posted by 200Apples

Three minutes later...

Eh.




It's kinda chunky looking; moreso than in the OP's quoted photograph.

I suppose if one has a huge stash of the 9 X 19 Parabellum cartridge, then...

I'll stick to my .357s, .41s, .44s and .45-70s for now.

I also still need Henry's 44 sidegate. I know Henry with a sidegate is sacrilege, but I honestly can't help myself.

[200Apples]

A closing thought:

With commercially-loaded 9mm prices falling to less than asstonishing levels, this lever-operated carbine/short rifle could be very useful for target practice, and stoked with hollerpoint ammunition, a very good home defense weapon.

Good luck to them.

[Dirtlaw]

I do appreciate the idea of a magazine fed lever gun, however.

[200Apples]

I know Henry with a sidegate is sacrilege,

It's not, though.

The current concern that owns the name "Henry" are good folk, sure, and their customer service excellent.

That said, and while my friends own several new Henrys among them, I find them blocky-feeling and heavier than they need be. They are however a legitimate old-fashioned-looking firearm and being lever operated, are fun to shoot. I do not disparage anyone for owning one, it's just that I prefer a Marlin or Winchester.

The addition of the side loading gate to the recent run of Henry rifles is an asset to the firearm. They retain the tube-feed capability, which folks like for a fast unloading of the firearm. Win/win.

[200Apples]

I do appreciate the idea of a magazine fed lever gun, however.

And in 9mm! no less.

The "Tombstone" box-mag-fed, 9mm lever carbine should be a popular item.

I can see it utilized in several scenarios and if it's operation under combat conditions proves reliable, then it's a sure winner.

[Dirtlaw]

Originally Posted by 200Apples

It's not, though.

The current concern that owns the name "Henry" are good folk, sure, and their customer service excellent.

That said, and while my friends own several new Henrys among them, I find them blocky-feeling and heavier than they need be. They are however a legitimate old-fashioned-looking firearm and being lever operated, are fun to shoot. I do not disparage anyone for owning one, it's just that I prefer a Marlin or Winchester.

The addition of the side loading gate to the recent run of Henry rifles is an asset to the firearm. They retain the tube-feed capability, which folks like for a fast unloading of the firearm. Win/win.

I understand. I already have all of the important ones except the 44. I still like the idea of a magazine, however.

[Kyle1886]

I'm a 'form follows function' type. If it gets the job done and is reliable, what more can you ask for; I'd go for it.

Respectfully
Kyle

[bonesurf]

I mean…..I bought a Henry X. So I’m in the camp of owning a less than traditional lever. (Put the rangerpoint rail on it and might put their stock on too). 9mm is attractive from a factory ammo cost standpoint but it’s a wash if you reload and I would be much more piqued if it was 357

[Dirtlaw]

Personally I believe the feed system of traditional lever guns has been one of the weak spots. For example, in the traditional tube fed arrangement "pointy" projectiles are to be avoided because of the danger the point will discharge the round in front of the projectile (since it acts as a firing pin of sorts). Magazines prevent that. So for me it's a big plus since it not only increases the speed of reloading, but it allows the use of a greater variety of projectiles.

[bonesurf]

Well. On that point. One of my faves is my 1895. Internal mag to allow for “pointy” boolits

[200Apples]

Well. On that point. One of my faves is my 1895. Internal mag to allow for ?pointy? boolits

One of TR's favorites! back in the day. A Winchester 1895, that is, and chambered in .405 Winchester.

Horsewright has one but in what cartridge, I forget. Perhaps the aught-six?

[Capybara]

It's interesting and cool but that's a lot scratch for a 9mm range toy for me, the value equation isn't good when I can buy a Ruger PC Carbine that is a semi auto, shoots faster and can take my Glock mags for a third of the cost.

If you dig it, buy it. But I won't be.

[pennstater]

Originally Posted by 200Apples

It's not, though.

The current concern that owns the name "Henry" are good folk, sure, and their customer service excellent.

That said, and while my friends own several new Henrys among them, I find them blocky-feeling and heavier than they need be. They are however a legitimate old-fashioned-looking firearm and being lever operated, are fun to shoot. I do not disparage anyone for owning one, it's just that I prefer a Marlin or Winchester.

The addition of the side loading gate to the recent run of Henry rifles is an asset to the firearm. They retain the tube-feed capability, which folks like for a fast unloading of the firearm. Win/win.

Agree Chris. We all like our lever rifles, whoever makes them. BUT, that picture in OP is, well, fugly at best. To each their own I suppose, but, uhh, no. Just goes against the grain.

MLC

[newbutold]

Pass.....

[iMigraine]

Probably the closes example of to a bolt action 9mm carbine rifle via in lever action form. Glad we have options even if I don't feel the desire for the new POF Tombstone.

[Dirtlaw]

There are a lot of negative posts, but I think I'm going to try the POF rifle. I've said it before, but it seems to be the best alternative in response to a hyper regulated environment. My goal is simply to maintain the highest ability I can without finding myself in jail. I have to live with my oath.

[bonesurf]

Originally Posted by Dirtlaw

There are a lot of negative posts, but I think I'm going to try the POF rifle.

Review and pics!

[Dirtlaw]

Originally Posted by bonesurf

Review and pics!

You got it!


I've seen a number of reviews and there may be a break-in period required ... but that exists with a lot of weapons.

[k1dude]

I'm very interested in the new POF Tombstone in 9mm, as well as the Bond Arms Lever Action in 5.56. I'll have to see how the reviews are and what the street prices turn out to be.

[RNE228]

Guess it depends on "traditional".

Win-1895, Savage 1899/99 have/had internal stacked/rotary magazines, and later box magazine. Then later the Win-88 and Browning BLR.

After 123+ years, does a Win 95 or Savage 99 not count in tradition?

Seems "traditional" vs the "others" can be a little gray

Originally Posted by Dirtlaw

Personally I believe the feed system of traditional lever guns has been one of the weak spots. For example, in the traditional tube fed arrangement "pointy" projectiles are to be avoided because of the danger the point will discharge the round in front of the projectile (since it acts as a firing pin of sorts). Magazines prevent that. So for me it's a big plus since it not only increases the speed of reloading, but it allows the use of a greater variety of projectiles.

[Dirtlaw]

Originally Posted by RNE228

Guess it depends on "traditional".

Win-1895, Savage 1899/99 have/had internal stacked/rotary magazines, and later box magazine. Then later the Win-88 and Browning BLR.

After 123+ years, does a Win 95 or Savage 99 not count in tradition?

Seems "traditional" vs the "others" can be a little gray

Correction appreciated. That's the great thing about this board. More likely than not someone knows more than you do. But the point I was trying to make is for me (though maybe for no one else), the POF model checks some boxes I wanted to have checked. More specifically, I would much prefer a new weapon over a well used one or one that was manufactured a long time ago. Given the Left's effort to eliminate the Second Amendment, a magazine fed lever is attractive to me because it may give me a few more years without forcing a violation of the law.

[pennstater]

In the end, it's all about what we/you the consumer wants. If Dirtlaw does indeed buy one and enjoys it, well, that's all that matters. I say go for it.

MLC

[Dirtlaw]

Originally Posted by pennstater

In the end, it's all about what we/you the consumer wants. If Dirtlaw does indeed buy one and enjoys it, well, that's all that matters. I say go for it.

MLC

Then again, as a great President once said, maybe I should get used to winning. Thank you St. Carney!

[Spyder]

I don't like POF as a company, but I'd buy it if it was at a reasonable pricepoint. The magpul stock is ugly, but I can't think of any non-wood stocks I do like on a lever gun.

[static2126]

Reviews were not good so.far