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Old 03-13-2019, 6:49 PM
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First post and I need advice. I have a couple of .357 Magnum revolvers and am getting set up for Ammogeddon by building my reloading table and planning to get this weekend the Lee Classic Reloader (also plan to reload for .303 British, have a couple of Enfields hence the affordable single stage).

I have a 4 inch Smith and Wesson 686 plus, bought it last year for my birthday. It is OK now, it had to go back to Smith and Wesson for a canted barrel, timing issues, crane issues. I also have a Ruger GP 100 also 4 inch. I like both, can't really choose between them. The Ruger and Smith both have nice triggers, I put the fiber optic site on the Ruger. But I like the red ramp on the Smith too.

I am torn between the Ruger GP100 Match Champion in 10mm, and the Smith and Wesson 586, both available at Turners. It would be another birthday present to me.

Do any members own the Ruger GP100 Match Champion 10mm?

Have you experienced any bullet crimp jump? Any binding on the Moonclips?

I know Jeff Quinn at Gunblast experienced bent moonclips in his evaluation of the gun, but he had it bored out to 10mm Magnum. Hickok45 had some issues closing the cylinder and attributed it to dirt under the moonclips in his review of the Ruger Wiley Clapp 10 mm. I've never had a moonclip gun, is this a recurring issue?

How stable and robust are the Ruger Moonclips? Do they bend in a coat pocket? I know I can carry speedloaders and speed strips in a coat pocket no issue.

I have fondled both revolvers but not shot them and they are both sigh outstanding.

The use would be fun gun, range use, possible conceal carry when not if I move out of California (sigh), possible home defense. Possible trail gun when not if I move out of California.

I know with the Smith 586 I keep the same brass/bullet/primer/powder supply, and there is a bit more leeway with cartridge overall length, etc. However with the Ruger there are more bullets available in the weights I am interested in: 180 to 200 grain. [I am a big 1911/45 ACP fan but Ammogedden is coming per Turners so its revolvers only and reload, reload, reload]. Midway has about one .357 bullet in 180 grains, and its 30 cents a bullet, though full metal jacket. They have one (and cast only) 200 grain .357 bullet for about the same price. But the .40/10mm bullets are affordable in 180 grains at about 15 cents a bullet full metal jacket (Speer) which matches the cost of the .357 158 grain bullet from Speer. Starline brass is about the same for both .357/10mm.

So it is so close, hard to pick.

What if any are downsides in bullet crimp jump shooting reloads / handloads in a revolver with a taper crimp bullet? How fragile or robust are the moonclips? Is there an issue with different types of brass fitting or not fitting in the moonclips? I have heard that can be an issue with the TK Custom clips and even the Ruger factory moonclips.

It is my understanding that with the TK Custom Moonclips one can shoot .40, but there could be a potential issue long term with the .40 round eroding/fouling the shoulder that the 10mm case headspaces on since it does not headspace on the rim. Obviously there is no real issue shooting .38 special other than cleaning the fouling.

I know the 586 is a solid revolver, and the Green Mountain Defense dude on Youtube and Military Arms Channel both liked the Ruger in 10mm a lot. But I've never had a moonclip revolver nor an autoloader cartridge revolver.

Sadly I cannot just get both.

Thanks for the help.
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Get a 10mm. I'd go 610 before Match Champion (which match???).

See the good folks at Ranch Products for a hundred or so moonclips and don't look back.
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Try something different. My first revolver was a Chiappa Rhino.

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If you want a 10mm, the only answer in CA is Glock 20sf.
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I’m a big 357 wheel gun fan. I have a Smith 686 and a ruger gp100. Love both. However, since you have two already...a 10mm might be the way to go. Oddly enough, one thing you can do in a wheelgun that you can’t in an auto is shoot 40. Why would you shoot 40 in a 10? Well, I can think of several reasons.

Ammo is much cheaper. Blasting is blasting. And 40 ammo is cheap and plentiful and even very effective for SD.

Brass is cheap and plentiful, and can be snarfed up easily at the range. Hell, I got a bucket full of them and I don’t own a 40. Powder selection is good and you can shoot plated bullets too, and they can be driven to 1100-1200fps without worries.

It’s like shooting 38’s out of a 357. Most of my loads for my 357 are with the magnum brass but loaded with 6gr power pistol and a 158 plated.

If you didn’t have a 357, or two, then get the 357. But I think 10mm is an awesome wheelgun option. Don’t know about the moon clip thing. 10 is expensive ammo. Nothing for it is cheap. Although it’s an awesome round. And 10mm is a reloaders cartridge. There’s some untapped potential in that round that factory ammo just doesn’t get to.




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I have a 4 inch Smith and Wesson 686 plus, bought it last year for my birthday.
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I am torn between the Ruger GP100 Match Champion in 10mm, and the Smith and Wesson 586, both available at Turners. It would be another birthday present to me.

Why get a 586 when you already have a 686? It's the same gun only different materials.

Personally I'd go with a 357/38 special because it's a lot easier and cheaper to reload for.
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Out of a revolver, anything the 10mm can do, the 357 can as well.

The strength of the 10 is 357 ballistics out of a semi auto and no mass produced square gun shoots 357 so get a Glock.
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Check out the S&W 66 Combat Magnum 2.75" Bbl.
Very nice 357 revolver.
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Other things to consider...there is a 41 mag smith on roster, 44mag is really only .429, and if you are a 45ACP fan smith also makes revolvers in that caliber.

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Out of a revolver, anything the 10mm can do, the 357 can as well.

The strength of the 10 is 357 ballistics out of a semi auto and no mass produced square gun shoots 357 so get a Glock.
When in Rome... Maybe some day someone will make a revolver with cylinders the length of auto cartridges and the concept will make sense. Whoever said 610 I agree with too.
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A 44 mag make a lot more sense to me. You can load it down to a .44 special or max it out. The .44 mag uses similar powders as a .357, so that one less powder you have to keep. Both the 10mm and .44 require large pistol primers, so that’s another component you must stock. If you want a heavier butler weight, is. .357 max a possibility?
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If you want a 10mm, the only answer in CA is Glock 20sf.
Really? I guess you missed this one on the roster, Sturm, Ruger & Co. Super Redhawk 05524 / Steel Revolver 6.5" 10mm Auto 1/1/20

and this one too, Sturm, Ruger & Co. GP100 01775 / Steel Revolver 4.2" 10mm Auto 1/1/20
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If it’s Armageddon, then a s&w tr8/r8 has to be part of the stable. Sell off your 686 and Ruger and then use that money to fund for the 10mm..bam, now you have an all purpose 8-shot 357/38spl, and you fulfilled your curiosity for the 10mm.

** Ha! I read it as armaggedon not ammogeddon..I still stand by my suggestion strongly.

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If it was me...and it's not... I would go for a 610 just to have one. Really, there is not a whole lot the 10mm can do that a .357 Magnum cannot, except feed in a semiauto. I would have zero interest in a current production Ruger 10mm revolver. I don't even care for Glocks and I would take a G20 over the GP100.

Pre-'97 (pre MIM) 686/586 can be had fairly easily. 2 is 1, 1 is none.
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If you like the looks of the Ruger 10MM Match Champion, get that. I just jailed a 610-3 4 inch with a non fluted cylinder. Paid almost twice the price of a Ruger but I had a 610 before, sold it when I lost my job and wanted one back ever since.
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The is no practical reason to get a more expensive revolver in 10mm over a lower cost Glock 10mm, but if you just want a 10mm revolver, then get it

You shouldn't have a problem with bullet jump with the 10mm. Hot 357 mag will need a good crimp.

10mm uses large pistol primers. 38 Spl, 357 Mag, and 40 S&W use small pistol primers.

You didn't say what barrel length you plan on getting for the 10mm or 586. A 357 Mag will benefit more from a longer barrel than a 10mm. The 10mm will only gain about 50fps between a 4" and 6" barrel. A 357 will gain more tha. 100fps with an extra 2" of barrel length.

357 Mag will be cheaper to reload.

Check out 10mm-firearms.com and see what people over there think of a 10mm revolver.

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Other things to consider...there is a 41 mag smith on roster, 44mag is really only .429, and if you are a 45ACP fan smith also makes revolvers in that caliber.

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Yeah, a 10mm doesn't make sense unless he has an autoloader in 10mm and has a bunch of ammo. The .41 Magnum is a lot more powerful and is a proper revolver cartridge.
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Lots of people already said what in my thoughts.

586 and 686 are similar...

What / how will you use the gun? I think as a fun gun, you have a lot of choices....


The 44 mag is a dream with light loads or 44 special loads.

You can also load it hot enough to hurt your hands...


So what will the gun be used for? Have you considered having your revolver milled to take moon clips?
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If I had the choice between a 10mm and a .357 Magnalum I'd definitely chose a forty-four.
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Really? I guess you missed this one on the roster, Sturm, Ruger & Co. Super Redhawk 05524 / Steel Revolver 6.5" 10mm Auto 1/1/20

and this one too, Sturm, Ruger & Co. GP100 01775 / Steel Revolver 4.2" 10mm Auto 1/1/20
Yes I’m well aware of the gorgeous 10mm Match Champion and Redhawk, but it is a Bad choice as a first 10mm - it is heavily redundant compared to OP’s current flock and has new ammo requirements. Would be great as a second or third 10mm if you already have a few cases of ammo built up and/or reloading equipment. The Glock 20 is cheaper, shoots cheap .40 ammo without modification and almost double the capacity for less weight.

It’s really hard to do better than a solid .357 Magnum.

Edit: +1 for .44 Magnum!
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I see a lot of guys saying to just go with .44 magnum. I have both a S&W model 19, 4" .357 Mag and a 629, 4" .44 mag. I love them both. Yes, a downloaded .44 mag or .44 special is a dream to shoot with the heavier gun. If it's purely a range gun and you are going to reload, then I'd say go for a 6" .44 mag. The downside to the .44 is the mass and weight of the gun compared to a .357, if you think you might holster carry it once in a while then it's something to consider and if you are shooting factory ammo then .44 is very pricey in either spacial or magnum.
As far as .10mm or .357, I'm getting old and I'm a traditional kind of guy, I don't see the point in shooting an autoloader round out of a revolver and factory .38 and .357 mag is much less expensive and more versatile than 10mm.

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In my opinion, the .357 Mag is our most versatile handgun cartridge.

There are superior cartridges for specific applications.
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Stay with the .357! BUT
Rather than buying another handgun, get a .357 carbine.
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Your OP reads like you're considering this decision largely based on reloading costs. So I'll tailor my response accordingly.

30 cents for a 357 bullet is crazy, you're looking in the wrong place
15 cents for a 10mm bullet is crazy, you're looking in the wrong place.
10mm brass is more expensive if you have to buy the brass

I reload both calibers and it's actually more expensive for me to load 357 mag. This has to do with the powder selection I have chosen to load slow burning, hot magnum cartridges. Slow burning powder means I load alot more in the case than I would with a faster powder like I use in 10mm.

Both of these cartridges I load for less than 20 cents, all in. Something like 12-15 cents per if I recall correctly.

I personally wouldn't be excited about the need for moon clips in a revolver. I realize you can shoot the 10 without moon clips, but then ejection suffers. I'd buy the 586, of the choices you listed.
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ORRRRR.... .44 magnum with 240 gr cast lead bullets at 900-1000 fps using Unique or the equivalent. Pretty cheap but still stout enough to be a lot of fun even in an N frame.
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++++1 for .44 Magnum

Traditional revolver cartridge
More gun options in different barrel lengths
Versatile similar powders with .357, and can load mild to magnum

10mm just to complement a semi-auto you already have
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I like the 10 mm round because of its versatility. It can be loaded from mild to hot. My trail gun is a Glock G29 loaded with Underwood 220 grain hardcast bullets. Outside of CA I can carry it with the 15 round mags and it still conceals well. I can also shoot .40 out of it with no modifications.

I am not a revolver fan though that is starting to change. My son was given a J-frame S&W .357 mag with a 4 inch barrel that is a pre-log a few years ago from his grandfather. That is a sweet gun to shoot. Really, the ballistics of a hot .357 and a hot 10 mm load are similar so personally, I would not go through the trouble of buying a 10 mm wheel gun just to have another option for bear defense. You are not gaining much if anything over a good .357 mag round and the .357 has been used successfully in Alaska against brown bears and grizzlies.

If you want a something with more kick for a revolver, go to .41 or .44 mag. Then you do not have to deal with moon clips and you are getting more bang for your buck and simply adding a new caliber that does the same as the one you already have.

Use the revolver calibers for the revolvers and the semi auto calibers for the semi autos. Only go with the 10 mm revolver if that is what you want because your .357 will serve the same purpose.

I have a few guns I bought just because of want and not because of need. Their only purpose is the fun factor when I take them to the range.
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In my opinion, the .357 Mag is our most versatile handgun cartridge.

There are superior cartridges for specific applications.

.357 magnum for the win!

Take look at the Ruger Redhawk 4" 8 shot .357 mag!

https://www.ruger.com/products/redha...eets/5059.html

You said you were "getting set up for Ammogeddon". With the Redhawk loaded with 8 rounds of Federal C357B's, I think you'll be in good shape.

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.357 magnum for the win!

Take look at the Ruger Redhawk 4" 8 shot .357 mag!

https://www.ruger.com/products/redha...eets/5059.html

You said you were "getting set up for Ammogeddon". With the Redhawk loaded with 8 rounds of Federal C357B's, I think you'll be in good shape.

Good Luck.

Actually, that's a sweet looking revolver! I'm liking it very much!
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Many a high school grad of the 1970s is turning their face aside from 40 S&W muzzle blast levels for recreational shooting purposes.

Now there has been memorable times when these grads had a boatload of fun shooting stuff where more power equaled more fun & bragging rights. Example:

Abandoned automobile junkyard; not an abandoned car, abandon car junkyard. Where 12 gauge slug and 240 grain pistol bullets ruled. When smaller calibers such as any .357 or any .223 was relegated strictly for a particular motionless white '62 Ford Ranchero. The heap was really no fun because even a 158 grain bullet from a snub .38 Special would penetrate the sheet metal from any angle or at any practical distance.

Today, there are those that firmly believe than these miscreant graduates should still be in prison taking more safety and PC courses to atone for what they did to all that helpless Detroit metal some forty plus years ago. However, there are those times when you just want to bring out the Iron.

In 2019, hitting a water filled 1.75L soda bottle with a one hundred fifty-eight cast round nose bullet fired from blue steel 1952a K frame 38 Special is a lot more fun than missing with a all weather computer guided No-Miss 10mm pistola.

OP, I hope you find what you are looking for.

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Many a high school grad of the 1970s is turning their face aside from 40 S&W muzzle blast levels for recreational shooting purposes.

Now there has been memorable times when these grads had a boatload of fun shooting stuff where more power equaled more fun & bragging rights. Example:

Abandoned automobile junkyard; not an abandoned car, abandon car junkyard. Where 12 gauge slug and 240 grain pistol bullets ruled. When smaller calibers such as any .357 or any .223 was relegated strictly for a particular motionless white '62 Ford Ranchero. The heap was really no fun because even a 158 grain bullet from a snub .38 Special would penetrate the sheet metal from any angle or at any practical distance.

Today, there are those that firmly believe than these miscreant graduates should still be in prison taking more safety and PC courses to atone for what they did to all that helpless Detroit metal some forty plus years ago. However, there are those times when you just want to bring out the Iron.

In 2019, hitting a water filled 1.75L soda bottle with a one hundred fifty-eight cast round nose bullet fired from blue steel 1952a K frame 38 Special is a lot more fun than missing with a all weather computer guided No-Miss 10mm pistola.

OP, I hope you find what you are looking for.
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[I am a big 1911/45 ACP fan but Ammogedden is coming per Turners so its revolvers only and reload, reload, reload].
Gosh, a retailer who has exhorted you to buy additional stuff? And I’m sure Turner’s will be glad to sell you reloading equipment and moonclips and powder, etc.

“Ammogedden”? From “Armageddon”?

If this is a concern that ammunition may become scarce, why are you interested in moving to a 10mm, which is already scarce? And how does moving to a revolver reduce the scarcity of ammo (unless the increased time to reload is an advantage) by slowing the rate of fire? “Moonclips”....’Nuff said.

It’s a shame you can’t reload for semi-autos.

10mm on Roster:

Glock:

Glock 20
Glock 20 OD
Glock 20C
Glock 20SF (Black)
Glock 29
Glock 29 OD
Glock 29SF (Black)

Especially, 1911 patterns:
Kimber Eclipse Custom II / Stainless Steel Pistol 5"
Kimber Stainless Target 10mm II / Stainless Steel Pistol 5"

But, revolvers conserve ammo (?)

Sturm, Ruger & Co. GP100 01775 / Steel Revolver 4.2"
Sturm, Ruger & Co. Super Redhawk 05524 / Steel Revolver 6.5"

Follow Turner’s down the rabbit hole, but, if you REALLY like the 1911 pattern, Kimber has some good guns (insert anti-kimber sect tirades here).

Or, seek out a Colt Delta Elite on the off-roster market.

However, if you really want to have the versatility of calibers, go with the Glock, and get a separate slide set up for .45 ACP.

Or, join GSSF for a 2-year membership of $60, and buy a 10mm for $491. Then, a year later, get a .45 for $491.
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Gramps faded for a bit and waxed poetic. No worries, he’ll bounce back.

(I understood much of it...).
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Thanks so much to all who replied. Some additional info and what I am thinking. And my particular range shooting situation.

I have a Glock 20. I don't shoot it much since 10mm is expensive, but now with ammo prices rising I've seen at Turners and Ammo Brothers 10mm FMJ 180 grains at or below the equivalent of .357 magnum 158 grain FMJ. I like my Glock 20, it is the original not short frame version. The trigger is ... OK. Its a dream to break down and clean, super easy. Its'a Glock. I'd never carry it without "the Gadget" from TAO industries since I'd be nervous holstering it and Israeli carry has its own hazards if accounts of the incident in Wyoming are to be believed [Guide handed client hunter his Glock 20 under a Grizzly attack and the client was unable to operate it as it had a full magazine but no round in the chamber i.e. Israeli mode.] I'm not too keen on adding third party stuff to production guns. I like my Glock 20 -- its just a strictly range gun for me and one expensive to shoot given my range shooting situation explained below.

I have Marlin (JM) .357 lever gun, looking at the Henry Big Boy in brass, a beauty, probably not this year.

I have a Ruger Redhawk in 44 magnum, 5.5 inch barrel, don't shoot it much. I had looked at the Redhawk in 45acp/45lc, even purchased Denis Prisbey's excellent e-book on the subject. I decided it was not for me -- a Redhawk trigger which I am familiar with. Not very good 45 ACP accuracy. And just too big for occasional carry. Probably a great home defense gun but ammo is a consideration ...

I live in Orange County so my range and ammo considerations are constricted. Lytle Creek is to my knowledge closed. Burro Canyon is far, and the road is kind of tough for my 2 wheel sedan to get up there. Rauhaage's range is ... ok. Its hot. VERY dusty, dust gets all over the action of my guns when I shoot there. And still somewhat far in Corona. I have seen guys get yelled at when putting down a tarp to catch auto empties and the Glock kicks out the empties approximately two miles. I figure with an autoloader I'd lose at least a quarter of my brass each time. And have to stoop and scrounge around to pick them up. That's at the one outdoor range which I don't really love shooting at within even manageable driving distance.

I do most of my shooting at one of two indoor ranges: Mission Viejo's On Target, quite nice, affordable if you buy just the cheapest targets, and shoot efficiently. Or the Firing Line in Huntington Beach though I have not been there in a while. Both are air conditioned, and don't let you pick up brass from the floor. Let me write again: they don't let you pick up brass from the floor. They are nice places to shoot though and I've always had a good time there.

With the new ammo restrictions due to come in July, requiring a tax, ammo purchase card, background checks, and the like, I figure ammo will get so expensive its a backdoor gun ban -- unless I reload. Already reloading will be mandatory for my Lee-Enfield .303 British surplus rifles -- I can't find any affordable .303 stuff anywhere, and even the brass is pricey (80 cents a round). At least I can re-use them (yeah, know about the fire forming and "generous" chambers in Enfields).

So I figure a revolver, which I like already, is pretty much the only thing going with the new ammo restrictions and I know I can shoot cheaply with both .357 and 10mm if I reload, if the brass in 10mm lasts like it does in .357.

Since I shoot at indoor ranges, lead is out and they frown on the polycoatings since it tends to smell. So FMJ it is, pretty much. I can get brass from Midway for .357 for anywhere from 18 to 20 cents, 10mm 21 cents, that's new Starline. The 44 magnum is 21 cents as well. The 45 colt is ... 25 cents.

Since again, I'm shooting indoors where they don't like lead bullets (who wants to breathe in lead vapor? I don't for sure), At Midway USA right now the Speer 158 grain hollowpoint .357 magnum is 15 cents a bullet. I know I can get Missouri Bullets cast lead for 10 cents ... but my indoor ranges understandably say no and I frankly don't want to breathe in lead vapor. The Sierra Tournament Master 180 grain FMJ is 30 cents a bullet, and there is 200 grain lead bullet also listed for .357 at 31 cents ... but I'd have to go to Rauhaage's to shoot it. And I don't want to.

Midway USA has the .40 caliber Speer 180 grain TMJ for 15 cents a bullet, and the Ranier Lead Safe flat point TMJ 200 grain bullet is 16 cents a bullet.

The Speer 240 grain jacketed soft point is 20 cents a round, but most everything else that is not clearance is running around 26-30 cents a round. That's for 44 magnum. The cheapest I've found TMJ bullets for 45 colt is 30 cents a round.

I looked at the Smith and Wesson 625s, I just did not connect with either the Performance Center or Jerry Miculek models. They are also N Frames and don't fit my hand well. I can reach the trigger just fine but something does not feel "right."

I've drooled over the Smith and Wesson 629, in the four inch. I don't like the longer revolvers. I don't hunt, if I did I'd use my Ruger Redhawk. The 629 in four inches was used by actor David Rasche in the tv series "Sledgehammer," so its cool. But ... its an N frame. Its kind of big. And its kind of pricey, a bit out of my budget and I will admit I like with my aging eyes the fiber optic front sight of the Ruger GP 100. I have read that the Smith 44 magnums can be shot out easily with hot loads, not that I'd load them very hot. And that the 44 magnum really needs a longer barrel than the 4 inch that I prefer for handling. I don't think they are concealable much compared to a L framed or GP100 size revolver which is hard but doable.

The .41 magnum, wow did not know they were in production. Its a beautiful gun. But pricey, out of my range. Midway USA does not list 41 magnum brass, at least I cannot find it. My criteria for my next gun is a cartridge that I can reload, close to .357 magnum, and that I can purchase if need be ammo at Turners, or Ammo Brothers, or when not if I move out of California at any place that sells ammo. And said retail price should be close to .357 magnum. And accurate, fun to shoot.

So the 44 magnum is somewhat attractive, the 629 in four inches is a nice gun, but I could not feed it for a range session if for some reason I got busy at work and could not reload during the week. I know both .357 and 10mm are in the same price range both reloading and for (likely the .357's price rise) retail. At least for a box of 50, range ammo, TMJ. That's why I eliminated it, and also the size of the gun -- I am trying to stay in the medium frame revolver size, L frame or GP100.

I've looked at the GP100 in 44 special, but wow that ammo is expensive on the shelf. And hard to find. And there are only five rounds. A nice gun though to be sure. Looking at Hickok45's youtube video on the Ruger GP100 Wiley Clapp 10mm, I tend to agree that 10mm is about is big as you can get in a medium frame revolver and still have six rounds.
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I'd like to say, Fishslayer, that's a mighty fine looking Cattledog in your avatar! I have two myself both rescues. And had three others prior, also rescues. They are great dogs but can be a handful. Very funny too.

I am glad to hear that bullet pulling is not an issue in the GP100 10mm. However how robust are the moonclips from Ruger? I know Jeff Quinn at Gunblast reported his bending, but was that because he got his gun bored out to 10 Magnum? I have no desire to do that.

I know the TK Custom clips work but require a special mooning and demooning tool like a lot of the military ones but I understand they are robust. Has anyone used them in a Ruger GP100 10mm? How do they compare to the Ruger supplied ones? Is it true that the Ranch Products clips will NOT work in the Ruger? I have heard that is so, can anyone confirm? How hard is it to work the TK Custom clips? I've seen Hickok45 use just a plastic rod to demoon the Ruger clips and just snap them in with his fingers when loading.

I have heard anecdotally from Youtube video blogger "Bowsers Fortress" that the forcing cone on the Smith 586 can crack under heavy 125 grain use, hence my interest in the 158 or 148 grain bullets in the .357 -- I figure that might get me less muzzle blast. The 10mm has more FMJ bullets available in the 180 grain which gets one to 45 ACP territory, and the .357 has none I can find in TMJ with 200 grains whereas I can find a bunch in the 10mm.

And I have a confession to make. I had a chance in the late 90's to pick up a Colt Delta Elite. And I did not. A choice I've always regretted.

Has anyone here reloaded for the 10mm? I know the .357 is very easy to reload. How hard is it to reload the 10mm in comparison?

Thanks again for all the replies. You all have given me a lot of food for thought.
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With the new ammo restrictions due to come in July, requiring a tax, ammo purchase card, background checks, and the like, I figure ammo will get so expensive its a backdoor gun ban -- unless I reload.
There is no “ammo card” or “purchase license”. That was in Prop 63 and chaptered out by SB 1235.

July 1, if you are in AFS as having purchased a firearm, you will pay $1 and receive an “instant” background check. There is no other tax than current sales tax.
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There are also some FFLs willing to do single action revolver transfers, of guns that are not on the roster but large enough to meet the single action exemption. The idea is that the handgun is later returned to double action. The revolver is never a single shot, only a single action.

That being said, because you are a big 1911 fan I would get one of the two Dan Wessons that remain on the roster.
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The OP expressed a concern about the attributes of the 10mm cartridge. So I wrote him a personal story about taking large caliber handguns afield.

I mustn't assume than you or any reader would know what an automobile junkyard is much less an abandon automobile junkyard
were shooting at the hulks wasn't discouraged and was a lot of fun.

I am sadden to discover that my detractors here are more in concert with the PC crowd that would gladly recycle any individual
who believes that shooting pistols for recreational purposes deserves further study lessons at a State mandated
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And I have a confession to make. I had a chance in the late 90's to pick up a Colt Delta Elite. And I did not. A choice I've always regretted.
Good decision imo. I had a chance to get a limited edition in a fancy case right when it came out and regretted not spending the money (I was fairly poor at the time). Until I shot a friend's Delta Elite he got some time later. That thing just doesn't belong in a 10mm.

Since that time the 10mm was weakened somewhat and loaded to lower power, so it might be just fine in the current iteration.
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