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Old 08-05-2022, 10:06 PM
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I feel like you wont be happy with the clone due to your desire for an original. Maybe consider the Mossberg 940 or Beretta 1301 if you don't want to spend as much. As for Turkish shotgun manufacturers, they're pretty decent for the most part if you stick to the better ones like ATA, Huglu, Stoeger, Retay, etc.
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Just in case anyone is interested. Tuners has the M4 clone on sale for $549.
It's the Dickinson XXA-4. Picture looks like a M1014 style. I've not been able to find any video reviews on this model. Dose anyone have any experience with this brand? At 1/4 the cost of a Benelli it's a steal if it's as reliable.
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Just buy a mossberg 930 spx and call it a day. Mine has been flawless even with old Walmart field loads..
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This information is straight from ďDickinson Arms - The Best of the BestĒ

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It's the Dickinson XXA-4. Picture looks like a M1014 style. I've not been able to find any video reviews on this model. Dose anyone have any experience with this brand? At 1/4 the cost of a Benelli it's a steal if it's as reliable.
Found nothing either. And everywhere else online says they are out of stock.

Did anyone actually get one from Turners? Or might this be another time that Turner's is posting ads for things they don't actually have?


https://www.guns-n-such.com/products...748694564-5883

https://www.shawarms.com/products/sh...748694564-5176

https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_...k+polymer+grip

https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_...nson%20xxa%204


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My versamax was the best benelli clone I ever got.
This.
The evolution to Benellis Inertia system was never done better, but Remington's Versamax is a close second.
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Old 08-07-2022, 9:21 PM
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Found nothing either. And everywhere else online says they are out of stock.

Did anyone actually get one from Turners? Or might this be another time that Turner's is posting ads for things they don't actually have?


https://www.guns-n-such.com/products...748694564-5883

https://www.shawarms.com/products/sh...748694564-5176

https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_...k+polymer+grip

https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_...nson%20xxa%204


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I could not help myself, so I did. Handled it in the store and it is now in jail for 10 days.

It is very similar to the Charles Daly version except different color and stock. I like its stock more than the CD clone. It felt as comfortable as the original Benelli. The mag tube looks the same as the CD version as well, thus the entire tube needs to be replaced from the receiver. So it may not be able to use standard Benelli mag tubes and will need aftermarket tube. If it uses CD type, then Dave Metalwerk has them.

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Just in case anyone is interested. Tuners has the M4 clone on sale for $549.
Which one?
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This.
The evolution to Benellis Inertia system was never done better, but Remington's Versamax is a close second.
M4 is gas. M2 is inertia.
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Always wanted one but didn't want to pay for it. Ended up working out a trade for this one and have been very happy with it

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It's the Dickinson XXA-4. Picture looks like a M1014 style. I've not been able to find any video reviews on this model. Dose anyone have any experience with this brand? At 1/4 the cost of a Benelli it's a steal if it's as reliable.
I have a Dickinson model A212, not a M4 clone but a semiauto. Has an older single port piston over mag tube design. Build quality is fairly good and it runs pretty well. Bought it as a beater for cheap and has been good so far with around 400-500 out of it.
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Old 08-09-2022, 10:39 AM
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Finally got the chance to handle the Dickinson XXA4. It's made by Huglu, which is the same manufacturer who makes the CZ shotguns. They're known to be one of the better Turkish manufacturers so it should be good to go. The bolt lock up was smooth, unlike a lot of inertia guns which require it to slam forward.
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Panzer is supposed to be selling the collapso stock for much cheaper than Benelli.
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Old 08-10-2022, 12:18 AM
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Dangit, now I want one of these, even though I don't like shotguns or Benellis.
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Dangit, now I want one of these, even though I don't like shotguns or Benellis.
I love my 121M1, too bad Benelli sucks *** for parts support.
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Old 08-10-2022, 8:08 AM
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I certainly don't want a Benelli. For 500 bucks, I do want one of these.
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Old 08-18-2022, 4:37 PM
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M4 owners you can now get a collapso stock for less than $800.

https://www.classicfirearms.com/m4-t...tyle-shotguns/



Forty two dollars and fitty cents.

Oh, and if you don't have a Benelli M4 because you think spending 2 grand on a friggin' shotgun is absurd, the same vendor has the Panzer M4 for 450 bucks.

https://www.classicfirearms.com/panz...-driven-black/

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Old 08-19-2022, 8:12 AM
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just picked up my second M4, paid less than market value. I sold my first M4, with adjustable stock and various other upgrades years ago. Since then I have owned 870, 1187, (390, 3901), 1201p 1301, super 90 H&K and as of yesterday my second M4. All will malfunction at some pint, either operator error or equipment induced, both will get you from point A to point B, top tier will do it at a higher percentage of the time.
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Old 08-19-2022, 5:13 PM
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Picked up the M4 clone from Tuner's. It definitely uses the same mag tube as the Charles Daly M4 clone (thus normal M4 mag tube will not fit). Finish is good and dry functions fine. The grip and stock angle is no different than Benelli M4. Consider the cost, pretty happy with it.
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Old 08-19-2022, 10:42 PM
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The only real clone that I know of is the Remington verse max. That is a very good gun.
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Old 08-20-2022, 7:48 AM
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VersaMax’s gas system is an improved version of the Benelli ARGO system. It’s designed to handle different loads of shells from 2.75 to 3.5 in. However, REM makes them for hunting and clay mostly with shortest barrel at 22”. And they cost half as much as M4 and twice as much as Turkey M4 clones.
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Picked up the M4 clone from Tuner's. It definitely uses the same mag tube as the Charles Daly M4 clone (thus normal M4 mag tube will not fit). Finish is good and dry functions fine. The grip and stock angle is no different than Benelli M4. Consider the cost, pretty happy with it.
Panzer M4?
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My son-in-law has a Toros Copolla T4 and it's a decent shotgun, I was looking at them for ~$800 and the shop I was in had a Beretta 1301 tactical for $1200... Once I handled the Beretta it was over, it felt quicker, the controls seemed intuitive. I spent the extra coin for the 1301, I am well pleased with the decision regardless of the wife's protestations.
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PSA has a Black Aces version for $429. I haven't seen a review of that actual gun though.
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Post 65,
https://palmettostatearmory.com/blac...ck-bats4b.html
PalmettoStateArmory even has a sale today with a $399 price
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Panzer M4?
Dickinson XXA-4
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https://palmettostatearmory.com/blac...ck-bats4b.html
PalmettoStateArmory even has a sale today with a $399 price
Thatís a better deal than Turners even after transfer fee etc
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Here is my Turknelli: Hatsan Escort MPA. I had to polish everything with flitz, replace every screw and pin along with plenty of red loctite, greased everything and Weapon Shield oil where applicable, Wolfe extra power spring, upgraded follower , adaptors for Magpul stock and Limbsaver which make it about 1/4” too long but it works . About 300 rounds through it. Works well … now. I’ll feel better at 1k. Really fun to shoot. Replaced the sights too . When I bought this , there were no Mossbergs in stock. I’ll probably sell this and eventually get a 1301. The plus 4 extension has been replaced with a plus 3. It’s 7+1.

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Here is my Turknelli: Hatsan Escort MPA. I had to polish everything with flitz, replace every screw and pin along with plenty of red loctite, greased everything and Weapon Shield oil where applicable, Wolfe extra power spring, upgraded follower , adaptors for Magpul stock and Limbsaver which make it about 1/4Ē too long but it works . About 300 rounds through it. Works well Ö now. Iíll feel better at 1k. Really fun to shoot. Replaced the sights too . When I bought this , there were no Mossbergs in stock. Iíll probably sell this and eventually get a 1301. The plus 4 extension has been replaced with a plus 3. Itís 7+1.
I don't think it is a Benelli clone. Gas system is not the ARGO. Bolt design is completely different too.
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Thanks … it’s a rip off of something .
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My versamax was the best benelli clone I ever got.



I'm sure BajaJames83 would agree as was discussed in the "Alias Remelli" thread that you're going beyond just being a clone w/actual Benelli "drop-in" parts in the Versamax.



A number of folks have replaced their Versamax guts/internals w/Benelli guts and calling them "Remelli's".



A soft shooting Versamax with actual Benelli internals.



I love the Remington R12 particularly w/its shroud over the barrel, and even though folks are down on Remington, the Versamax and this R12 where U can upgrade w/actual Benilli internals is sweet..... at least to me.






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What is that shroud over the mag tube? Pretty cool. Where are they sold?
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The shroud comes w/that version of the Remington Versamax R12 Police gun, and I loved the fact that they included the shroud, which ment all I had to do was buy the rails from Cadex and screw them on the shroud to mount whatever accessories I wanted on the gun.
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I paid $1600 for my M4 at Turner's in 2014. Not 1 regret.

Govt won't let me have a SPAS tho
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Grabbed a Panzer on a sale we'll see how it goes.
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