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Old 07-18-2022, 1:55 PM
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Exclamation H.R. 1808-Assault Weapons Ban of 2021

HOW IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THIS!!!

This bill makes it a crime to knowingly import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess a semiautomatic assault weapon (SAW) or large-capacity ammunition feeding device (LCAFD).

The prohibition does not apply to a firearm that is (1) manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action; (2) permanently inoperable; (3) an antique; or (4) a rifle or shotgun specifically identified by make and model.

The bill also exempts from the prohibition the following, with respect to a SAW or LCAFD:

importation, sale, manufacture, transfer, or possession related to certain law enforcement efforts, or authorized tests or experiments;
importation, sale, transfer, or possession related to securing nuclear materials; and
possession by a retired law enforcement officer.
The bill permits continued possession, sale, or transfer of a grandfathered SAW, which must be securely stored. A licensed gun dealer must conduct a background check prior to the sale or transfer of a grandfathered SAW between private parties.

The bill permits continued possession of, but prohibits sale or transfer of, a grandfathered LCAFD.

Newly manufactured LCAFDs must display serial number identification. Newly manufactured SAWs and LCAFDs must display the date of manufacture.

The bill also allows a state or local government to use Edward Byrne Memorial Justice Assistance Grant Program funds to compensate individuals who surrender a SAW or LCAFD under a buy-back program.[/SIZE]


H.R. 1808 is scheduled for markup in the House Judiciary Committee on July 20th and is fully expected to make it to the floor for a vote (expect it to pass the House). Introduced on 3/2021 and has 212 co-sponsors along partisan lines.

Pundits suspect that it may not garner enough votes in the Senate...but you never know with this Congress!

Just found out my D-representative co-sponsored last week and have drafted a 2-page letter to him.
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Lot of people are.. the problem is ALL democrats in the house support it and half of Republicans do as well. If those 15 Republicans in the Senate support it, it will pass.

Our two options will be an automatic injunction while the courts hear the inevitable lawsuit..

Or we finally open the 4th box and end this treason once and for all..

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Calm down, this will not pass. The Dems introduce this crap to every congress. It never gets past both houses. The house may pass it but the senate will not.
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Calm down, this will not pass. The Dems introduce this crap to every congress. It never gets past both houses. The house may pass it but the senate will not.
Agree, they will not get the requisite votes in the senate
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The only difference this year is the very public and heavily marketed mass shootings we have had in the past few months that will add more fuel to the banfire. I don't know about you guys, but I have noticed a substantial uptick in news reporting of the most recent shootings, along with repeated references to the past ones.
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The only difference this year is the very public and heavily marketed mass shootings we have had in the past few months that will add more fuel to the banfire. I don't know about you guys, but I have noticed a substantial uptick in news reporting of the most recent shootings, along with repeated references to the past ones.
The increase in shootings reported by the "media" is indeed notable. Could it be "conditioning" for greater control?
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I email Alex Padilla urging him to appose HR 1808. Colion Noir stating if enough people contact there Senate reps they may change their minds? I doubt it but it's worth a try. If all the gun owner in California would do the same it may work who knows?

https://rumble.com/v1cmnbo-house-try...fic-ar-15.html
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I email Alex Padilla urging him to appose HR 1808. Colion Noir stating if enough people contact there Senate reps they may change their minds? I doubt it but it's worth a try. If all the gun owner in California would do the same it may work who knows?

https://rumble.com/v1cmnbo-house-try...fic-ar-15.html
Yeah he’s not going to pay any mind to us, no matter how many gun owners email him.

He and Feinstein sent a letter to Bonta and the state legislature to take action after the Bruen decision urging them to strengthen gun laws etc.
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Yeah he’s not going to pay any mind to us, no matter how many gun owners email him.

He and Feinstein sent a letter to Bonta and the state legislature to take action after the Bruen decision urging them to strengthen gun laws etc.
Yeah, and maybe Steiner will break through the lines and relieve the siege.
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I email Alex Padilla urging him to [o]ppose HR 1808.
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I email Alex Padilla urging him to appose HR 1808. Colion Noir stating if enough people contact there Senate reps they may change their minds? I doubt it but it's worth a try. If all the gun owner in California would do the same it may work who knows?

https://rumble.com/v1cmnbo-house-try...fic-ar-15.html
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Yeah he’s not going to pay any mind to us, no matter how many gun owners email him.

He and Feinstein sent a letter to Bonta and the state legislature to take action after the Bruen decision urging them to strengthen gun laws etc.
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I email Alex Padilla urging him to appose HR 1808. Colion Noir stating if enough people contact there Senate reps they may change their minds? I doubt it but it's worth a try. If all the gun owner in California would do the same it may work who knows?

https://rumble.com/v1cmnbo-house-try...fic-ar-15.html
Agreed! I was tired of being on the sidelines waiting for someone else to pick up the slack. Change starts with the individual and it's time to awaken the sleeping giant (the 2A community).

Perhaps I should post my "research paper" of a letter to my Representative...this way others may use the info/format as well.
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HOW IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THIS!!!
It dead once it hits the Senate floor.
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It dead once it hits the Senate floor.
And after November, won't have a chance.

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As others have said, this is not new and won't go anywhere in the Senate.
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As others have said, this is not new and won't go anywhere in the Senate.
I'm not as confident that it will fail in the Senate.

But in any case, if enacted I think it should be viewed as SCOTUS bait.
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Here's a clip of Rep Jim Jordan from Ohio calling it a direct violation of the 2A:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO6GIf_wgkU
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Wow!!

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/sta...nnFOu6L4w&s=19

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https://twitter.com/greg_price11/sta...nnFOu6L4w&s=19

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It was a hook, line, and sinker question the Chairman took into his mouth! We all know what these people want...a ban and then confiscation later.

If you watch the House Judiciary proceedings before Mr. Bishop's (about 5 minutes before), Mr. Biggs, R-AZ, was interrupted by our favorite Millenial, David Hogg in the audience and was escorted out of the chambers. Biggs then comments to Nadler that "wasn't that interference of an official proceeding...that's insurrection."
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Default Response from my Congressman:

I was much surprised to get a timely response to my lengthy letter the next day via email, from my U.S. Congressman; however, I have a feeling one of his staffers wrote the response. Nonetheless, it's still telling how these D-Types think.

"July 20, 2022


Thank you for reaching out to express your views about gun rights. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue.

This is an issue that’s important to a lot of us in the Central Valley, including me. We know that the vast majority of people who own guns are only a threat to the animals they hunt or the targets they shoot at a range. We also know that most gun owners are law-abiding citizens exercising their Second Amendment rights. I believe we can cut down on gun violence without disrespecting the rights of responsible gun owners.

We have high gun standards here in California. My stance is that we shouldn’t be changing laws for our gun-owners here in the Valley, and I’m definitely not interested in taking guns away from law-abiding citizens. I believe we should just make sure the rest of the country lives up to our standards in the Valley. You and I may disagree on some of the specific regulations, but I want you to know I understand your concerns and believe there is more common ground on this issue than people are willing to acknowledge.

Thank you again for contacting me. I appreciate hearing from you, and I hope you’ll continue to keep letting me know what matters to you. For more information on this or other issues affecting the Central Valley, please visit my website at harder.house.gov, follow us on Facebook (/RepJoshHarder) and Twitter (@RepJoshHarder), and sign up for our newsletter at harder.house.gov/contact/newsletter."
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I was much surprised to get a timely response to my lengthy letter the next day via email, from my U.S. Congressman; however, I have a feeling one of his staffers wrote the response. Nonetheless, it's still telling how these D-Types think.

"July 20, 2022


Thank you for reaching out to express your views about gun rights. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue.

This is an issue that’s important to a lot of us in the Central Valley, including me. We know that the vast majority of people who own guns are only a threat to the animals they hunt or the targets they shoot at a range. We also know that most gun owners are law-abiding citizens exercising their Second Amendment rights. I believe we can cut down on gun violence without disrespecting the rights of responsible gun owners.

We have high gun standards here in California. My stance is that we shouldn’t be changing laws for our gun-owners here in the Valley, and I’m definitely not interested in taking guns away from law-abiding citizens. I believe we should just make sure the rest of the country lives up to our standards in the Valley. You and I may disagree on some of the specific regulations, but I want you to know I understand your concerns and believe there is more common ground on this issue than people are willing to acknowledge.

Thank you again for contacting me. I appreciate hearing from you, and I hope you’ll continue to keep letting me know what matters to you. For more information on this or other issues affecting the Central Valley, please visit my website at harder.house.gov, follow us on Facebook (/RepJoshHarder) and Twitter (@RepJoshHarder), and sign up for our newsletter at harder.house.gov/contact/newsletter."
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I was much surprised to get a timely response to my lengthy letter the next day via email, from my U.S. Congressman; however, I have a feeling one of his staffers wrote the response. Nonetheless, it's still telling how these D-Types think.

"July 20, 2022


Thank you for reaching out to express your views about gun rights. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue.

This is an issue that’s important to a lot of us in the Central Valley, including me. We know that the vast majority of people who own guns are only a threat to the animals they hunt or the targets they shoot at a range. We also know that most gun owners are law-abiding citizens exercising their Second Amendment rights. I believe we can cut down on gun violence without disrespecting the rights of responsible gun owners.

We have high gun standards here in California. My stance is that we shouldn’t be changing laws for our gun-owners here in the Valley, and I’m definitely not interested in taking guns away from law-abiding citizens. I believe we should just make sure the rest of the country lives up to our standards in the Valley. You and I may disagree on some of the specific regulations, but I want you to know I understand your concerns and believe there is more common ground on this issue than people are willing to acknowledge.

Thank you again for contacting me. I appreciate hearing from you, and I hope you’ll continue to keep letting me know what matters to you. For more information on this or other issues affecting the Central Valley, please visit my website at harder.house.gov, follow us on Facebook (/RepJoshHarder) and Twitter (@RepJoshHarder), and sign up for our newsletter at harder.house.gov/contact/newsletter."
These turds forget they are REPRESENTATIVES. Nobody cares what THEY think. They are not our rulers. They should be caring about what we think and taking those desires to Congress. So thankful that’s what I have in Idaho.
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I was much surprised to get a timely response to my lengthy letter the next day via email, from my U.S. Congressman; however, I have a feeling one of his staffers wrote the response. Nonetheless, it's still telling how these D-Types think.

"July 20, 2022


Thank you for reaching out to express your views about gun rights. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue.

This is an issue that’s important to a lot of us in the Central Valley, including me. We know that the vast majority of people who own guns are only a threat to the animals they hunt or the targets they shoot at a range. We also know that most gun owners are law-abiding citizens exercising their Second Amendment rights. I believe we can cut down on gun violence without disrespecting the rights of responsible gun owners.

We have high gun standards here in California. My stance is that we shouldn’t be changing laws for our gun-owners here in the Valley, and I’m definitely not interested in taking guns away from law-abiding citizens. I believe we should just make sure the rest of the country lives up to our standards in the Valley. You and I may disagree on some of the specific regulations, but I want you to know I understand your concerns and believe there is more common ground on this issue than people are willing to acknowledge.

Thank you again for contacting me. I appreciate hearing from you, and I hope you’ll continue to keep letting me know what matters to you. For more information on this or other issues affecting the Central Valley, please visit my website at harder.house.gov, follow us on Facebook (/RepJoshHarder) and Twitter (@RepJoshHarder), and sign up for our newsletter at harder.house.gov/contact/newsletter."
That's a form letter. They work up a sorta vague bunch of verbiage and then send it to anyone who contacts them about the subject from a particular perspective. So some low-level aide gets a message, selects the approved response and sends it.

It's a reply but it isn't something they really thought about, it was just more re-election garbage. And remember, it's all about getting re-elected (although Harder will now be going for the 9th District rather than the 10th).
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I just read that there's some 24 million AR-type rifles out there.

Good luck getting them all; you're going to need it.
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Good luck getting them all; you're going to need it.
Read the original post. This particular bill does not outlaw existing SAW, it prohibits new ones being sold. Buy now if you are concerned.
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The issue is SCOTUS had the opportunity to prevent this and failed. They never should have GVR’d Bianchi v Fosch or Duncan v Bonta. Both cases should have been accepted and ruled on. Now we have to wait years while this garbage gets litigated.
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You do realize that GVR means they accepted the case, set aside the previous ruling and sent it back with instructions to redo the outcome based on Bruen, right? This won't take years. SCOTUS instructed the courts how they want this to end...they did exactly what you're asking for; it's just procedural at this point.
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I email Alex Padilla urging him to appose HR 1808. Colion Noir stating if enough people contact there Senate reps they may change their minds? I doubt it but it's worth a try. If all the gun owner in California would do the same it may work who knows?

https://rumble.com/v1cmnbo-house-try...fic-ar-15.html
This doesn't work. The only thing you're accomplishing by begging the democrats to not vote for their own favorite pet issue is to provide another avenue of arousement for them as you grovel at their feet.

Don't give them the satisfaction.

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Yeah he’s not going to pay any mind to us, no matter how many gun owners email him.

He and Feinstein sent a letter to Bonta and the state legislature to take action after the Bruen decision urging them to strengthen gun laws etc.
It's surprising to me how many people don't get this. Calling and writing letters to these people serves no other purpose but to inflame their desire to destroy you. They are the embodiment of evil.
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You do realize that GVR means they accepted the case, set aside the previous ruling and sent it back with instructions to redo the outcome based on Bruen, right? This won't take years. SCOTUS instructed the courts how they want this to end...they did exactly what you're asking for; it's just procedural at this point.
I’m aware of what GVR means. Just look at the 9th. They are trying to bury every case they can. If these cases get sent back to be district court, it will be years until we see any resolution.
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Does this mean ownership of AR AK mini30/.223 prior to the date the dill passes?
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If this extreme overreach was to pass the senate by some miracle, it seems highly likely it would be challenged in federal court, an injunction would most likely be granted, and it would be on the fast track to SCOUTS. Ultimately such a path could work out on our favor, killing AWB's, Mag bans, and other nonsense in one fail swoop.

The more outrageous the power grab, the more likely it is to be the nail in their coffin should it pass.
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Make all the states suffer as bad as California and we won't suffer for much longer.
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Old 07-21-2022, 11:57 AM
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What is a semi-automatic assault weapon, from the bill’s pov? Is it similar to CA’s? Semi-auto center fire, detachable mag, with evil features? Or anything even more restrictive?
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This bill is going nowhere, and even if by some magic it did pass both the house, senate, and get signed by POTUS, both of those branches know that it will get axed by SCOTUS, with a "See Bruen" smackdown immediately.
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This bill is going nowhere, and even if by some magic it did pass both the house, senate, and get signed by POTUS, both of those branches know that it will get axed by SCOTUS, with a "See Bruen" smackdown immediately.
Agree with you that it won't pass the Senate but I wouldn't be so sure about SCOUTS, at least for another decade.
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I'm curious.

I keep reading how HR1808 has no chance in the Senate. This seems to be common wisdom.

Could someone explain to me why they are convinced it has no chance in the Senate? Wasn't there a recent bill passed by the Senate with enough votes for cloture? Red Flag stuff and all that.

Oh, and I'm actually OK with Red Flag laws but taking away the individual's firearms needs to be adjudicated and the government needs to pay for the individual's defense (and they can can choose their lawyer no matter how expensive that lawyer might be).

Why do people think that this particular violation of our rights has no chance in the Senate when the other sailed right through with bipartisan support?
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I'm curious.

I keep reading how HR1808 has no chance in the Senate. This seems to be common wisdom.

Could someone explain to me why they are convinced it has no chance in the Senate? Wasn't there a recent bill passed by the Senate with enough votes for cloture? Red Flag stuff and all that.

Oh, and I'm actually OK with Red Flag laws but taking away the individual's firearms needs to be adjudicated and the government needs to pay for the individual's defense (and they can can choose their lawyer no matter how expensive that lawyer might be).

Why do people think that this particular violation of our rights has no chance in the Senate when the other sailed right through with bipartisan support?
The most recent bill that was passed and signed was a money grab for some states that are "willing" to enact red flag laws. Combine that with the "we have to show we are willing to do something" RINOs (Collins, Murkowski, Romney plus seven or eight others) they had 60 votes to get it to the floor. This won't get 60 votes to defeat the philibuster because in red and even most purple states it would be political suicide for the RINOs.
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The most recent bill that was passed and signed was a money grab for some states that are "willing" to enact red flag laws. Combine that with the "we have to show we are willing to do something" RINOs (Collins, Murkowski, Romney plus seven or eight others) they had 60 votes to get it to the floor. This won't get 60 votes to defeat the philibuster because in red and even most purple states it would be political suicide for the RINOs.
The other bill was also a massive violation of our right to self defense and should have been political suicide. They found 10 GOP senators who were not running for re-election in 2022 and figure that all will be forgiven or forgotten by the 2024 and/or 2026 election.

And Collins probably improved her re-election odds by voting to take away people's rights.

You make pretty good sense but I'm not sure that it is the right analysis. But hey, I think more people agree with your analysis than with my concerns.
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The other bill was also a massive violation of our right to self defense and should have been political suicide. They found 10 GOP senators who were not running for re-election in 2022 and figure that all will be forgiven or forgotten by the 2024 and/or 2026 election.

And Collins probably improved her re-election odds by voting to take away people's rights.

You make pretty good sense but I'm not sure that it is the right analysis. But hey, I think more people agree with your analysis than with my concerns.
Your concerns are valid. After reading the bill it was obvious that the dems wanted it not so much for the gun control (18-20 yrs more stringent bg checks and red flag law funding) but the amount of money to be distributed was immense.
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I'm curious.

I keep reading how HR1808 has no chance in the Senate. This seems to be common wisdom.

Could someone explain to me why they are convinced it has no chance in the Senate? Wasn't there a recent bill passed by the Senate with enough votes for cloture? Red Flag stuff and all that.

Oh, and I'm actually OK with Red Flag laws but taking away the individual's firearms needs to be adjudicated and the government needs to pay for the individual's defense (and they can can choose their lawyer no matter how expensive that lawyer might be).

Why do people think that this particular violation of our rights has no chance in the Senate when the other sailed right through with bipartisan support?
No kidding. Lets count the laws that when first proposed people said "No way this will pass", only to be followed by "How did that pass?"


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