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Old 04-20-2020, 9:11 AM
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Levi,
That is not the current policy for AC/RC/NG Army.

This is the policy: https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_p..._Web_Final.pdf

Army regulation defines a 'prior service' Soldier as someone who has had a break in service for more than 180 days (not a 1 day break..)

Prior service Soldiers who have not attended Army Basic Combat Training, USMC Basic Training, USAF Special Operations Forces training, USN Special Operations Forces training, or USAF Security Forces must attend Basic Combat Training/OSUT.

Prior service Soldiers who have attended one of those programs and have had less than a 5 year break in service are exempt from the requirement to attend Basic Combat Training/OSUT..
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There are a couple of other categories that involve exemptions or requirements to attend Basic:

- Prior service 18X and 37X candidates are required to attend the entire One Station Unit Training (BCT + AIT) program because it is part of that defined SOF accession 'pipeline'.

- While BCT is required for OCS folks, the limited few that are eligible for Direct Commission (Cyber, JAG, Medical, Chaplain) attend the DCC course, not BCT.

These are outliers, not normal enlistment/commission categories.
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I'm ETS'ing next year and thinking of doing reserves as PSYOP or Civil affairs, I checked on ACT and they have an Airborne SQI unit in San Diego and Riverside. I want something that is deployable and holds my interest.

Judging by the posts here, I'm guessing the answer is no, but has anyone seen a Reserve Soldier in Grad School? Plan is to go for Physical Therapy
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Honestly, do grad school first and have it done. Focus on that and get the most out of your program and the 9-11 benefits. Stay in shape and then go back in if you decide to. With a masters in physical therapy maybe that’s a direct commission in the medical corps? The guard at least is not very compatible with going to school, especially if you have a demanding program and need to do in-person labs. You might get your yearly training calendar and then find a way to tailor your school to it. And then it’ll change. And then it’ll change again. And another time. No joke, my unit is on its fourth major calendar change and that’s before all the cancellations for the rona’. The worst is that most of the time you’ll give up and put your unit ahead of school. And then you’ll be sitting somewhere doing nothing, when you dropped a class to be there. I did school before I went in. School is worth doing right and getting as much out of it as you can.

Physical therapist and reservist here. Although I commissioned well after earning my degrees. You will not be able to function in PT school while in the reserves. Acceptance into PT school is very competitive. Expect to have a GPA of 3.5 or better (3.7-4.0 more likely) in pre-requisites/undergrad when applying. Once you start you program classes you will need to stay with your cohort. Class sizes are usually small, less than 30 students. Your absence will be noticed. They will ask you about your willingness and ability to attend and finish the program since if you are not there your classmates will suffer without the body to practice with.

Classes are offered in a structure fashion. It's not like undergrad classes where you decide to take chemistry at 1600 so you can work in the morning.. You will be on the program's schedule. You will not be able to miss labs and classes, let alone several weeks in a row for AT.

There are no bonuses or signing incentives for PT's. Although there is a school loan repayment. You could also apply to the Army Baylor program, go active duty, become a 2LT and get paid while in school. Get a top notch education then serve active for 8 years.

Military PT's are all required to be DPT's now, although most if not all entry level programs offer the DPT now. The board that reviews PT packets for direct commission meet once per year. Be sure to have all of your ducks in a row or you will wait on the sidelines if you miss a board.

Any questions about PT in general or reserve PT feel free to ask.
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Old 04-22-2020, 8:58 PM
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Timely thread as I have been considering joining the Army or Naval Reserves (but think I'm too old for the Naval Reserves).

I'm 44 years old, Registered Nurse for 14 years with both adult and pediatric critical care experience and some CCT experience (rotor wing, fixed wing and ground). I make very good money as an RN in the Bay Area, but bored in my current job, feel like I'm spinning why wheels and not really challenged. Always regretted not enlisting in the military when I was younger. I have no debt currently aside from rent. Student laans are paid off, car is paid off, don't have any revolving debt.

After reading through this thread I'm not really sure if it's a good idea anymore. Definitely welcome any advice, pros/cons, or just flat out tell me I'm nuts to be considering this at my age.
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After reading through this thread I'm not really sure if it's a good idea anymore. Definitely welcome any advice, pros/cons, or just flat out tell me I'm nuts to be considering this at my age.
I think if anyone at your age has a chance it's down the path of Medical.

Don't get sucked into the BLING of the uniform, and the Patriotism of serving.

I literally spent half my day (today April-22) doing annual on-line training.
1) Cyber awareness
2) Insider threat awareness
3) personal emotional assessment
4) Equal Opportunity training
5) Anti Terrorism
etc.....

All this so I can go to my 2 week annual training which will probably be canceled anyway.

The first year or so you are going to be tied up going through all your training. Then if you find yourself in an RFX unit you might think it's great you are getting spun up to do something, but then again, you might not do anything, and you just spend a year or so being all spun up to go nowhere. All of which will impact your civilian life/career.

You can be in a world of hurt in the reserves if your civilian situation is not flexible for the reserves. It's exactly why it's not a good idea to be in school while in the reserves.
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Old 04-22-2020, 10:03 PM
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I think if anyone at your age has a chance it's down the path of Medical.

Don't get sucked into the BLING of the uniform, and the Patriotism of serving.

I literally spent half my day (today April-22) doing annual on-line training.
1) Cyber awareness
2) Insider threat awareness
3) personal emotional assessment
4) Equal Opportunity training
5) Anti Terrorism
etc.....

All this so I can go to my 2 week annual training which will probably be canceled anyway.

The first year or so you are going to be tied up going through all your training. Then if you find yourself in an RFX unit you might think it's great you are getting spun up to do something, but then again, you might not do anything, and you just spend a year or so being all spun up to go nowhere. All of which will impact your civilian life/career.

You can be in a world of hurt in the reserves if your civilian situation is not flexible for the reserves. It's exactly why it's not a good idea to be in school while in the reserves.
My employer has not beed very flexible in the past when I have asked for leave to go on medical missions to Iraq and even recently asked if I could have a few weeks off to go work in New York. They wouldn't give me time off to go to NYC, but our census here is ridiculously low and I'm getting cancelled or having Horus cut a lot recently. It's all very frustrating and just feel like I could should be doing more and not really fulfilled career-wise.
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It's all very frustrating and just feel like I could should be doing more and not really fulfilled career-wise.
Well, when I made the jump I was 38. It was a new an exciting thing for that first year, and then I managed to get full time orders for a while, and then commissioned after my deployment.

I've been back in finance on and off but for the most part just put it all behind me now.

I think at the very least if you make the jump that will be the last you will have with your current employer. Getting through training and your MOS training is just going to burn up all your time for an entire year. At that time, other options will present themselves to you, and certainly the Army is going to want to put you to work as soon as you are ready.

But THEN, if you are a reservist anyway, there are limits the Army is willing to use you. They don't want to use you so much they have to pay you a housing allowance (basically what Active duty guys use), and then by god, they don't want to give you so many points a year you can make a modest pension out of it.

In fact, I forget the exact limit (I think it is 3 years) you can be on mobilization orders consecutively. Then they make you take a year off. So the system has BUILT IN lack of employment stability.

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What I'm saying is, in the beginning it's all new and exciting, and in a few years you'll find out the systematic BS every career in a large industry or employer has.

The only difference is you wear your resume on your chest, and you have to follow more rules.

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If you want to join the military, go active duty as a nurse. If you want to talk to someone who is in the system PM me.
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Just call a recruiter and ask. A lot of the people on here are giving there opinion depending on their experiences. Where it’s good, bad or what ever. You are the one that needs to make a choice for yourself.
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Just call a recruiter and ask. A lot of the people on here are giving there opinion depending on their experiences. Where it’s good, bad or what ever. You are the one that needs to make a choice for yourself.
Of course I'm the one who needs to decide for myself. But it doesn't hurt to ask for others' opinions based on their experience. And I'm sure a recruiter is going to tell me whatever I want to hear.
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As a nurse there are many opportunities and bonuses available depending on the type of nursing you are skilled at. Nurses tend to promote quickly. Many hospital slots are nurse-only. Some specialties have huge bonuses/year. There is also MOBCOP/ Tour of duty where you can look for deployment opportunities if you don't like sitting around with your unit. Nurses are in demand.
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I'd recommend joining as a nurse, I think it's one of the best jobs in the Army besides a PA, and they get big bonuses yearly

Hey thanks for the information. It's true you will get both sides of the story. Just did a 12 hour shift in BDE ops with a PT/former W1 with 160th, who ETS'd at like 11 years, did PT school in the reserves, and commissioned this year direct.

That being said I have a 3.35 at SNHU so im low speed. I gotta do one thing at a time. So I will likely ETS, go to grad school, if not PT then something else, then come back in the reserves because I know I want to still do more with my Army career. Thanks for the advice
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Timely thread as I have been considering joining the Army or Naval Reserves (but think I'm too old for the Naval Reserves).

I'm 44 years old, Registered Nurse for 14 years with both adult and pediatric critical care experience and some CCT experience (rotor wing, fixed wing and ground). I make very good money as an RN in the Bay Area, but bored in my current job, feel like I'm spinning why wheels and not really challenged. Always regretted not enlisting in the military when I was younger. I have no debt currently aside from rent. Student laans are paid off, car is paid off, don't have any revolving debt.

After reading through this thread I'm not really sure if it's a good idea anymore. Definitely welcome any advice, pros/cons, or just flat out tell me I'm nuts to be considering this at my age.
So everyone has their experiences in the military but one thing that I’ve encountered often is this: if someone has always wanted to go in, they often find it to be a “rewarding” experience. This is weird. Even if a person gets dealt a terrible hand and has an awful experience, often enough those people who were happy to ETS would still say they’re glad they did it, even if it sucked the whole time. For you, if you’ve always wanted to, why not? If you go into the medical
Corps as an officer you’re experience won’t be awful, for sure, and you have little to lose.

Unfortunately you’ll probably find that what you do in the Guard or reserves won’t be very interesting medically, and that can wear on you, but you never know.
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So everyone has their experiences in the military but one thing that I’ve encountered often is this: if someone has always wanted to go in, they often find it to be a “rewarding” experience. This is weird. Even if a person gets dealt a terrible hand and has an awful experience, often enough those people who were happy to ETS would still say they’re glad they did it, even if it sucked the whole time. For you, if you’ve always wanted to, why not? If you go into the medical
Corps as an officer you’re experience won’t be awful, for sure, and you have little to lose.

Unfortunately you’ll probably find that what you do in the Guard or reserves won’t be very interesting medically, and that can wear on you, but you never know.
This was my experience. My only regret is not joining sooner. It has been a very rewarding experience. I still remember standing in line in the DFAC in basic, with my tray held tight to my chest, head straight, sneaking a look around with my eyeballs and just being so grateful to have finally joined and really just soaking it in. I absolutley don't regret joining.
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My only regret is not joining sooner.
Agreed..........

I was in basic at 38yo and my experience was mostly just watching young folk flounder and grow and have this life altering experience that was going to be a foundational part of their lives.

I was there to check the box. I knew every bluff the Drill SGT's threw at us. I knew everything was a game, but for everyone else it was real.

Then I realized there was so much in my life prior to joining that I would have benefited from learning its all BS (the entirety of the Army is just jumping through hoops), and you don't have to worry about everything being perfect. I didn't figure that out until I was in my late 20s and would have benefited greatly 10 years sooner.

I also trusted people much longer in life and would have benefited knowing much sooner people's priority is their own agenda over pretty much everything else.

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We were given THREE blank rounds to carry in our magazines. If we lost one we were done for. A battle buddy lost one, and he was FREAKING OUT.

Then I remembered, while there were only three platoons, there were facilities for FOUR. Which meant extra supplies (to include magazines and loose blank rounds). So I pilfered from the unsecured vacant platoon supplies and gave it to my battle.

Problem solved.

He got to learn that lesson at 19. I was still freak'n out into my late 20's.

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But as pointed out, we joined, and get to say we did while most others don't.

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Glad to hear it was a good choice for y'all. I swore in on April 8, at 35 years of age. I'm looking forward to the new adventure, and hearing that older guys joined and felt it was a rewarding experience is encouraging.

Did any of y'all get extra "love" for being the old guy in the group?
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Did any of y'all get extra "love" for being the old guy in the group?
Any extra anything you get in Basic isn't out of love. You'll get singled out for sure, and with the current age limits probably be the oldest in TRADOC if not among the top few in your class.

You will be older than most your Drill SGTs. Probably all the ones you see day to day.

In basic I was put in a leadership position right out of the gate, only of course to be made an example of and have it taken away ASAP so a young person can get the experience.

In AIT I was one of the few in a leadership (squad leader) position to keep his job the entire time, but I think mostly out of reason to keep a constant older person among the mix during company wide student leadership meetings. Also, in AIT you could only be in a class leadership position if you were fitness GREEN, academic GREEN, and discipline GREEN. After the first round of academic/fitness tests the list shrank dramatically. So maybe it wasn't my "age" that caused that.

In AIT found myself in a dorm at the end of the hall by the EXIT as my billeting. The one other guy older than me (by a few months) was at the end of his hall down another corridor.

In AIT the 1SG like to single me out because I was older than him AND have a Master's degree. Him being only HS educated liked his position over me.

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Be rest assured, never will the entire company be smoked, and Cadre say, oh, but not you Old Guy, you're one of us.

If you want to be the guy that doesn't get smoked, you need to be the reason why everyone else is getting smoked.

The most frustrating thing you might notice (maybe no one liked me, so who knows) is the young little F-er's wont heed your warnings. You are not a wise older person, you are a POS just like them, and the Cadre generally don't treat you any differently so the little F-er's don't see you any differently. My efforts were in vain, so after a month I just didn't worry about it.

Remember, the kids are all over themselves and the males are out impressing females. It literally is like high school because half of them are just out of from there.

The kids are all homesick but for me, Basic wasn't even the length of one fiscal quarter. I never understood why they hid food, phones, or bartered for candy from the MREs. In fact, if I got Skittles (which I dont like at all) I NEVER bartered. I simply gave it away. First hand got it. I never bartered. If anything I wanted to convey is share among your Battle Buddies without personal greed or hoarding.

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I did run one kid into the ground administratively. He was a F-up, and wasn't making it easier for the rest of us. One day he threatened me, and said "I'm going to kick your *** old man." So I threw him under the bus, and the Drill SGT's feast upon him.

I wrote a note to the DS's and slipped it under the door. I effectively said, PVT threatened me with physical violence. But the HOOK to what I wrote was: "If I were to go to sick call (which they could NOT stop me) I would check the box on the in processing form":

I DO NOT FEEL SAFE IN MY ENVIRONMENT

At which, I knew very well the entire administrative process would be taken out of the hands of the Drill SGT's and handled at a level above the company commander.

He ended up getting caught with a phone, faced an Article 15, and decided to quit. So I didn't throw a fellow soldier under the bus that didn't deserve it. He never finished anyway.
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I expected some level of authority, mostly since I'm coming in as an E-4, and to a small amount my age and education (BS/MS). I'm not dying for the responsibility, but figured I'd get stuck w/ it. Therein lies the end of the special treatment I expect.

As long as I am otherwise treated as poorly as the rest of my cadre, I think I'll have a good time
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I expected some level of authority.........

........E-4...............

I think I'll have a good time
Just a recommendation not to the use the word "Authority" in reference to yourself while in basic.
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Just a recommendation not to the use the word "Authority" in reference to yourself while in basic.
"You know, Drill Sgt, I'm going to be an officer soon so you'll want to listen to me before I pull rank on you...."

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"You know, Drill Sgt, I'm going to be an officer soon so you'll want to listen to me before I pull rank on you...."

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Nice, congratulations! Hopefully your start isn’t affected too badly by the corona crap. You went in as an 09-S? I did too, and went to basic at 34. Oddly when I went to basic there were four of us in our thirties and then another dozen or so late twenty somethings throughout the company. There were only one or two comments the whole time about the age, otherwise you’re just another recruit. Be PG if you want but that crap sucks. If you’re an 09-S with the Guard it’s kind of a charmed experience because you get to do basic then go home right after while everyone else is off to AIT. If you are doing OCS with the cal guard shoot me a PM, I’ve been down that road.

Otherwise, just enjoy. You’re going to see some of the dumbest and funniest things you’ll ever see in those ten weeks. Be prepared to be disappointed with anything firearm related, of course.

As others said: my great moment was the first night with my company, sitting in bed feeling very grateful for finally having made it happen.
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Don't know what an 09-S is, but my recruiter put me in as an E-4, with the intent to get me into OCS shortly thereafter. Assuming schedules work out, i'll be a butter bar around January/ February of next year

Hoping to get into aviation thereafter (fighting forrest fires from a blackhawk was the final thing that got me motivated), but i'm just stoked i finally got off my *** and did the thing
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Mustard,

MOS 09S is OCS Candidate. It is a temporary MOS placeholder, for people who do not have a MOS yet.

Similarly,09R is a Reserve ROTC 'simultaneous membership' service member.

Even the people contracted for any one of the standard MOSs technically hold 09U (Initial Entry Soldier) until they graduate AIT and are awarded 11B, 13F, 68W, etc..
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