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Again, refer to the initial posts from Librarian. RAW transportation is very similar to handgun transportation except that specific destination requirements ALWAYS apply, while specific destination requirements only apply to handguns when being transported other than in a motor vehicle i.e. carried on foot.
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But keep in mind that if you do not register before 2018, you will NEVER be able to convert them to featured centerfire builds in California. Rimfire handguns DO fall under AW laws.
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Since the MSR isn't a RAW until 1/1/2017, 9mmrevolver's son could own the gun today. That said, I believe the problem 9mmrev's son has is that he is no longer allowed to own the firearm on 1/1/2017, and therefore cannot register, as you state. My boys are only 10 and 8, but I've only ever bought stripped lowers. I will be building their's featureless (and mine for that matter), or with a fixed magazine, or try to find a bolt action upper. |
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It is actually possible he gave the firearm before 2014 and would be legally given then, since he said years ago it may be so I'd be incorrect, so I wasn't super clear and it's good you called that out.
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I can't imagine it being a problem bringing it back in either as long as it is registered, etc. I guess we will know a lot more next year. |
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But in this case, the airport is still a location/mode of transport and not a side-trip.
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Featureless and rimfire are exempt.
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So stopping to refuel should be OK if it is a necessity of your direct transportation process between lawful destinations, going between LA and Tahoe for example.
But possibly not under differing circumstances in which a pit stop could of been reasonably avoided, going to a local range you could of just fueled up prior to departing, etc. |
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It is still legal for a minor (person under the age of 18) to own/posses a long gun. ^Not legal for them to own/posses a handgun or a prohibited weapon (assault weapon, DD, MG, SBR, SBS). |
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I'm going out of state for Xmas. If I fly with my AR/AK to shoot with inlaws will I be returning with unregistered RAW's even if I have copies of DROS from 2013? Effing CA making my head spin. Basically, will I have issues doing the same thing I've done legally for years?
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The requirement is to register (if that's what you're going to do) by Dec 31, 2017. Next year there will be no 'assault weapon checkpoints'.
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The law (now) prohibits transfer to a minor, but does not retroactively criminalize possession if the transfer took place prior to 2014.
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The "grace period" is only to allow for registration and seems to only provide an exemption to the "possession" statute. Registration provides the general exemptions for possession, lending, transportation, and importation.
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A Question to the Librarian or any Calguns organizer:
Have you ever considered taking up a collection of Calguns members to pay for a legal opinion from an established CA law firm specializing in guns laws? They may already have something put together and may release it for a reasonable fee, knowing they may get future business from our individual members. That would be expensive for an individual, but for $5 or $10 each, we could get amore definitive understanding of the current laws. I'm not sure if Calguns even has the logistical ability to do that, but it would be worth considering. Just a thought.
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The 4th Edition is out, and it includes these new laws: https://www.amazon.com/California-Gu...ornia+gun+laws And you cans still listen to the webinars on these new laws for free: http://crpa.org/webinars/
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Being a RAW does not exempt the firearm from CA SBR/SBS & MG laws and does not exempt the firearm from Federal NFA laws. |
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To Mayor McRifle,
Thank you for the current references. I will do just that. Merry Christmas!
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actually isn't the answer yes? just attach/pin and weld whatever device necessary to make it 16.
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^Exemption would be not owning/possessing a rifle that could use the less than 16" barrel. Possessing an unattached less than 16" barrel with a rifle that can use it would be "constructive possession" of a SBR. [PC 17170(e)] Penal Code 17170 As used in this part, “short-barreled rifle” means any of the following: (a) A rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length. (b) A rifle with an overall length of less than 26 inches. (c) Any weapon made from a rifle (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if that weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length. (d) Any device that may be readily restored to fire a fixed cartridge which, when so restored, is a device defined in subdivisions (a) to (c), inclusive. (e) Any part, or combination of parts, designed and intended to convert a device into a device defined in subdivisions (a) to (c), inclusive, or any combination of parts from which a device defined in subdivisions (a) to (c), inclusive, may be readily assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person. |
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So if I own an AR pistol, with 2 "NFA" uppers, and also own an AR rifle, constructive possession applies?
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Showing intent is a part of making the case. Every one of us has "bomb making materials"
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Having everything together (one safe, one vehicle, one shooting area) should pose no problem.
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I apologize if this has been asked. I read the entire thread but may have missed it.
IF you have a registered lower from, say, 2014 but haven't built it yet, can you register it as an RAW in 2017 and then build it with all the BAD features? I have a Colts M4 upper in 5.52 (EDIT FOR TYPO 5.56), then purchased and registered a PSA lower with all the parts etc. but haven't built it yet. To simplify the question, do I have to build the rifle lower to register it or can I register just the lower (with the ser#) as an RAW and build it with all the BAD features at a later date? I hope that makes sense. Thank you all for your contributions of this confusing topic.
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