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Old 03-11-2018, 11:38 AM
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Warning! When this company damaged a gun during a gunsmithing transaction, instead of accepting responsibility, they just eased into fabricating a blatant lie to not cover the cost of repair. What was more disturbing is that when I traveled to their supposed main office location, in Ontario, CA., the manager there doubled down on the lie claiming that they didn't do gunsmithing. To be precise the manager would not see me, but had one of the counter persons convey the message.

The facts are I had a limited edition rifle, 1 of 200, selling between $1800 and $2800 on Cal Guns or Gunbroker.com. I had just purchased a new surefire muzzle brake from them and asked if they could remove the current muzzle brake from my barrel. They filled out a receipt for the service which was estimated to be between $30 and $40. depending on how difficult it was to remove.

I informed them that there was a You Tube video on the exact procedure to remove the existing muzzle brake from a well regarded dealer called Ratworx, in Illinois, a distributer of the rifle. The main reason I agreed to let them work on the rifle, for a fairly simple procedure, was that it required a gunsmithing tool called a "barrel clamp" to avoid any damage to the barrel in removing the muzzle brake, which they said they had.

I get a call about a week later saying the muzzle brake has been removed. I pick up the barrel and the original muzzle break was on it but loosely threaded for easy removal. So far so good, until I get home and go to clean my rifle and re-assemble the barrel to the receiver.

I was using a rag with solvent and as I ran it over the front of the barrel, black paint came off and exposed grind marks and raw metal on the front of the barrel just aft of the muzzle brake. It was obvious the gunsmith at Ammo Bros had gripped the barrel with some sort of pliers and the barrel had turned while in the tool, either a pliers or vice grip was holding onto the barrel leaving the grind marks into the metal.

So now I'm faced with a Ammo Bros employee trying to cover up the damage and not disclosing it to me by using a matching black satin paint, that had not fulled cured and my cleaning had exposed the damage.

So I go to the employee who had taken in the barrel at the Riverside Ammo Bros and I ask for an explanation and I need this to be repaired.

Here's where the blatant dishonesty comes in. The employee says, I called you and warned you that we may damaged the barrel and you agreed that that was OK. Needless to say, this was sad and a bad moment. The truth is this employee did call prior and informed me that the original muzzle brake was tight and that to get it off he may damage the original muzzle brake in the process, and I said if you damage the muzzle brake taking it off that was OK. Never OK'd to damaged the barrel on a fairly expensive, out of production rifle.

Not in a lifetime would I authorized damaging the barrel that was not replaceable, 1/of 200, on a limited edition no longer available rifle worth conservatively $2000. Right, ruin a collector rifle over a $60. muzzle brake.

Remember, if you watch the You Tube video by the factory distributer, Ratworx...it makes Ammo Bros employee's story even more ridiculous.

To close, I ended up finding a great gunsmith and a great re-coating company in Anaheim, CA. The repair of the barrel required it to be put on a lathe and shaved down a bit. The gunsmith even did a match to the original lathing pattern from the factory. The Ceracote refinish to the barrel came out great. The total cost was just shy of $200. but visibly you couldn't tell the barrel had been damaged.

This is the point that I went to their Ontario location, as instructed to get reimbursed for the cost of the repair, I already mentioned what happened there. I did also go to their Cerritos location and was just told to leave. I went there because that location had contracted with a local gunsmith, whom I did have several phone calls with on the damage.

Ammo Bros at several levels in their corporate structure embellished and stuck to the lie. The original employee admitted to using a vice grip on the barrel, which by the way IS NOT done by a true gunsmith. Later when I tried to get the credentials of the Ammo bros employee as a trained gunsmith, another lie was exposed by another employee at one of the other locations. That lie was, the riverside employee who created this mess was not actually a trained gunsmith, but had been an "armorer" in the military service before coming to work at Ammo Bros.

That explains a bit more about the original employee who fabricated the lie that I was OK with damaging the barrel, just to take off the muzzle brake. Ammo corporate could have done the honorable thing, they originally tried to say they didn't have a gunsmithing service. Right.. until I showed them my receipt written on a page from their own gun intake log book. Lying seems to be in their playbook when it comes to taking responsibility for what most likely was not done intentionally, just being careless.

When the repair was done at a true gunsmith elsewhere, it cost just under $200.



UPDATE: 05/31/2018. I could use some opinions from members. I received the following message from Shaun at Ammo Bros on 04/23/2018.

" I should have an answer back from the board as to my proposed solution to this issue a week from today....." That would have been 04/30/18

I have not received any message or communication since this message was sent over a month ago. Also No response to an email I sent a couple weeks ago. Any opinion on this from Calgun members would be appreciated



UPDATE: 04/23/2018 . I have been contacted by Ammo Bros. after I sent them copies of my records of the service/transaction and repair. I have been informed that the Board of Ammo Bros will consider a proposed resolution by next week.


UPDATE 03/26/2018: I have sent the receipts, photos and other documents to Ammo Bros as SRedmon requested. I have not heard back yet from them since sending the information. I will be looking to see how to post pictures of my documents supporting the post that I wrote here on Calguns and try to respond and/or answer some of the posts/questions coming in from other Calgun members.

UPDATE 04/03/2018: I have placed several more posts at the end of this thread. Also provide the names of the 2 companies that did a great repair.

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Old 03-11-2018, 11:46 AM
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Wow I am sorry to hear that. They lost my respect now.
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Wow not good for ammos bros. Losing a cumstomers and probably more calgunners over $40 or even $200 isn’t worth it.
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No offense OP but in my eyes that's like taking a 69 Chevelle to AutoZone for a engine swap because they sell parts. If this was a rare and expensive rifle it shoulf have been taken to a dedicated smith, or shipped to this distributor that made the video. Sometimes you get what you paid for. $30, $40 is a basic swap of a basic muzzle device on a basic rifle in my opinion. Ammo bros doesn't specialize is smithing, they are just a gun shop. Glad it ended up turning out well and ammo bros should kick in towards that $200 you spent but you can't hold it against them. When they called and you indicated damage to the device was "ok" it implies you just need the thing removed regardless of what it takes. Just my useless .02 cents
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Was the Employee/Gunsmith named Chaz?

























































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I don't understand why they even pretend to know how to work on guns. They can barely sell them correctly.
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I wouldnt say its like taking a car in to autozone for an engine swap. Maybe like taking a car in to pep boys to get your brakes done. Which in my opinion is a reputable shop that should be able to handle the most simple of tasks. Like Ammo Bros they do always try to get you to bring in your guns for minor gunsmithing this is what that is so why not be able to do it correctly or accept responsibility for your mistake? Like I stated earlier, they lost my business! And I buy alot of gear throughout the year so...
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Old 03-11-2018, 2:38 PM
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OP, sorry to hear about your mishap. Never knew AmmoBros had an onsite gunsmith. Thanks for the heads up.

I personally would never have used them to begin with. Randall at AR Barrels would have gotten my business. But I will worn others to avoid AmmoBros for this type of work.
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Sorry to hear that OP.

I had been reading this board for about a year before I eventually joined up and had seen many story about the Cerritos store. When I finally happened to go in there Aug 2017 to check it out I was treated pretty rude , no one could answer a few questions and to be honest none of them even seemed a little professional. I've never been back but I still continue to read terrible stories about their shop(s).
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Hi RCNET,

I am troubled by what I am reading in this post and would like more information about this. Ammo Brothers as a company has nothing to hide so I am replying publicly instead of sending a PM and trying to keep this hush hush.

Only 1 of our stores (not Riverside) has a certified gunsmith, and we don't even allow that person to tell customers that information. While we do allow armorers to work on guns in stores that have one, we don't have hand written receipts so I would like to see the copy you have of this so I may hold individules accountable for going outside our policies.

I am not sure where you obtained the information about our corporate offices, but it sounds like you visited our store in Ontario and not the offices. Although they are both in Ontario, they are not combined or in the same building. I may agree that the managers in the Ontario store should have told you that and possibly directed you to the correct address, but it almost sounds like they thought you were blaming them for the work. I do not know what was said by you or them, but the Ontario store does not have a gunsmith or armorer and they do not work on guns at all so that may have been confusing to the manager or sales person.

As to your visit in Cerritos, I am not sure what happened there or why you were directed there. None of our stores are contracted with any gunsmith for repairs. Any items that need repair are all directed through and sent out by our central warehouse, usually to the manufacture. If items are not sent to the manufacture, a gunsmith will be chosen by myself or only 1 other person at those offices. I have already asked him about this situation and this is his first time hearing about it was well. Again, if my employees are breaking our policies I need to know about it, so If you could please give more information about this contracted gunsmith, it would be appreciated.

Names were not included in your post, and I respect that. If you would like to keep peoples names from the public eye you can DM me or email me directly at Shaun@ammobros.com. I would like to get to the bottom of this so specifics are important.

Also, we keep digital video surveillance on file for quite some time. If I could get the date of your first visit to our Riverside location (or the day the gun was dropped off), it would help me to find when the work was preformed on the gun and I could see exactly who touched it, what tools they used, and who tried to cover up any damage that may have been done.

I appreciate you bringing this to our attention and I will do my best to correct the situation and any bad employee behaviors.

Thank you!
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That's a pretty great out reach, and I am in NorCal, no ammobros here
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Xs2 oon ammo bros response. The guys at the Ontario location are stand up guys. I have done many of ppts there, they are sincere and true 2A guys... follow up with them OP. Sounds like they will do what it takes to make this right...
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I don't understand why you would want to modify a rare collectable gun and put a different break on in the first place. Collectables are always more valuable in their original condition, so long as it is in good condition, but hey its your gun. That being said, it doesn't sound like you ever spoke to the right people at Ammo Bros, but maybe never given the right contact? Lets see where this goes...
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I called the SD location this morning inquiring about a pistol I've been looking for. To say the least, the employee I spoke with was less than helpful. That left me with a bad taste in my mouth, and now after reading this, I don't think I will be going to Ammo Bros anytime soon. Sorry to hear about the experience OP, and thanks for the info.
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It’s nice that they responded, but they only did that because ever post is saying they won’t do business with them anymore.
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It’s nice that they responded, but they only did that because ever post is saying they won’t do business with them anymore.
This is not true. Had no one responded to the OPs message, I still would have addressed it. The fact is only 1 person stated they would no longer do business with us anymore due to this post.

Every business has complaints, just look at Yelp. If everyone stated they were no longer shopping somewhere do to another persons bad experience, no one would shop anywhere. The complaint isn't usually where people decide to not shop somewhere, but rather how the issue was handled after the proper people are made aware of the situation. If the company doesn't care, that sticks in people's minds. If the company makes good on the situation, people will remember that the company cares about its customers.

As far as a follow up to the complaint, I have been in contact with the OP and I am awaiting the receipts so I can further investigate. I did find out that this is a 2 year or older issue, so some things like video may longer be available to me. I would still like to get a resolution for the OP though.
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as far as I know... Post here to get sued for Libel.....

File Small Claims is to allow a judge to make restitution to the damaged party

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I did find out that this is a 2 year or older issue
This complaint was 2 years or older and just venting now?? I don't understand
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I wouldnt say its like taking a car in to autozone for an engine swap. Maybe like taking a car in to pep boys to get your brakes done. Which in my opinion is a reputable shop that should be able to handle the most simple of tasks. Like Ammo Bros they do always try to get you to bring in your guns for minor gunsmithing this is what that is so why not be able to do it correctly or accept responsibility for your mistake? Like I stated earlier, they lost my business! And I buy alot of gear throughout the year so...
Actually the analogy works, but that's not the point. Point is you basically took an expensive and irreplaceable weapon to an Ammo Bros employee to do something beyond their skill set.

I'm not letting Ammo Bros off the hook or defending them, they should have never agreed to touch your rare rifle.

Just saying you get what you pay for.
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SRedman, I was told at the Santa Anna location last week that there was a gunsmith on staff. Is this not true? The employee helping me volunteered the information when I was looking at a scope. "We have a gunsmith on staff that can even mount it for you." I'm not interested in the service, but if it is an issue of using the proper terminology that would be something worth addressing.

Your competition is not different. Most retail locations don't seem to have a problem blurring the lines between an armorer and gunsmith. Several actually offer "gunsmithing services" on their websites, yet offer no such service.
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I appreciate all the responses to my post both pro and some a little bit con.

I am waiting for SRedmon to verify additional information I provided. I will post another update as soon as possible and I will also provide the names of the gunsmith and coating company who did the repair.

I was not exaggerating on the 1st class flawless work they did on the repair.
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if i had to guess, i would say one or more of the stores went rogue and decided to make some money on the side doing things like changing sights or grips and other minor work off hte books.
they used hand written receipts from a book you can get at any stationary store to keep it on the dl since it wasn't compliant with company policy.

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You are correct SRedmon. Not all people will stop doing business with you, but also keep in mind how many people read and don’t comment. I myself also has had problems with your store and Turners. This is why I buy on-line now and just pick it up at a guy doing PPT’s out of his house. I really hate doing that, but I just can’t take the attitude anymore. The gun community needs to stick together, especially at times like this.

I also think it’s bad that he did not address this when it happened. Why wait 2 years. Anyway, I do appreciate you trying to take care of this and also taking the time to respond back. I just wish everyone had your demeanor inside the stores.
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I met a long time friend at the Ontario Store for a private party transfer a few months ago. The store is clean and nice and prices were decent. They handled the paperwork fast and courteously. Recommend at least stopping by to check it out for yourself, but I'm probably not going to ask them to do any gunsmith work on my toys.
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So we get a super-sized post from the OP and 1 day later the vendor comes on and offers a detailed response. Then we find out this is an old issue. OP barely follows up to his own thread and doesn't address any aspect of the vendor's response.

To date, Ammo Bros. is ahead on the scoreboard.
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Actually OP reached out to me on a pm recently. I was one of the first to reply on his post. Im awaiting a response from him on an update of when they reached out to him.
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Hello jdben92883,

In response to your post... From my contacts with the vendor I was asked to provide documents supporting my post, which I did.

In direct response to an incorrect assertion in the vendors response to my post:

I still have a Ammo Bros Gunsmith Intake receipt document for the gunsmithing service at their Riverside store. It was one of the documents I forwarded to SRedmon.

It was expressed by the vendor that he would verify and investigate my claims...

Based on your comment...I can only state I have shown some patience waiting for the vendors final determination and comments...

I understand my post was abit long..it might surprise you that I have another draft of an additional post which would go into more disparaging details of the incident with photos of the damage and photos of the Ammo Bros documents that clearly support my original post. I will send a message to the vendor to see where this is heading.

As to a "delayed post" on a incident since the passing of time since 2016, did occur due to a severe long term medical issue within the family. The passing of time does not change the disparaging behavior and facts.

I will say that the vendor's response was in-accurate/in-correct on three statement claims, one of which I addressed above...which was acknowledged by Sredmon due to an honest assumption error, about when the incident occurred and/or I was not clear on the date of incident in my original post.

I do not know SRedmon personally, I can only give weight to his concerned response.

Based on SRedmon's response it does appear that Ammo Bros has instituted some changes and improved business policies

I will update and post whether a further response is positive and I will also post if it is insincere. It is hard to know if the incident occurred due to isolated behavior of 3 employees of Ammo Bros or if it came from the top down.

I will weigh in on this shortly, thank you for posting as well as other Calgun members and their posts.

Here is the the link From a company called Ratworx for the service I was requesting from Ammo Bros.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GvY-UB4Vxc

When the Ammo Bros employee said he was a gunsmith and had a barrel clamp to avoid damage to the barrel, he filled out a Ammo Bros Gunsmith intake page, gave me a copy and took the barrel. My original post begins the story of what occurred after that..

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Hello Calgun members,

If you are reading this then you are aware that in solving the damage to my rifle I discovered 2 high quality firearm repair companies. What I can say is that i was seeking high requirements and accuracy for the repair.

These two companies were spot on as to their capabilities of delivering exactly the quality of repair I asked for if not exceeding my expectations.

The gunsmith was: DDC Firearms
website: www.ddcfirearms.com
email: johnwilliams3@live.com

The Cerakoter was: OC Custom Coatings
website: http://www.occustomcoating.com/
email: info@occustomcoating.com
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A bit about me... just a few..

FN FAL PARA . Preban
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Thanks for the updates OP, keep us updated.
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I think rare expensive begins somewhere around $10,000.00 not $1,800.00

That said Ammo bros had a gunsmith in Cerritos at one time. Smithing is delicate work. Vice grips which slip, well that's called gaining experience. I just wonder how the OPs barrel will shoot with no heat treating after lathing??
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There is not a gunsmith at Cerritos anymore? Not that I would give them business. Too many people consider themselves a gunsmith when at most they are a parts replacer.
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There is not a gunsmith at Cerritos anymore? Not that I would give them business. Too many people consider themselves a gunsmith when at most they are a parts replacer.
Do you remember when the “larger” white guy used to be here. Brad, I think was his name. Oh the stories that guy could spin. Claimed to be the top 1911 gunsmith in all the land.

I took him an old Kimber that a buddy gave to me for a steal. I wanted new sights and a refresh package. Just a deep clean and new springs and what not.

He had my gun for over a year and claimed he could not get the rear sight off.

When the year mark was closing in I began to press him for time and he would rudely say things like, “perfection takes time” and things like all of XYZ department swat guys just dropped off all their 1911s and Yada yada.

Finally I just asked for gun back and wanted out.

He sent his helper out with my gun in pieces in a cardboard box. I walked out and never returned. Needless to say another gun shop had it done in a week.

I wonder how his sons gun shop is doing. Ah the memories of the old Ammo brothers, glad to hear nothing has changed.
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Do you remember when the “larger” white guy used to be here. Brad, I think was his name. Oh the stories that guy could spin. Claimed to be the top 1911 gunsmith in all the land.

I took him an old Kimber that a buddy gave to me for a steal. I wanted new sights and a refresh package. Just a deep clean and new springs and what not.

He had my gun for over a year and claimed he could not get the rear sight off.

When the year mark was closing in I began to press him for time and he would rudely say things like, “perfection takes time” and things like all of XYZ department swat guys just dropped off all their 1911s and Yada yada.

Finally I just asked for gun back and wanted out.

He sent his helper out with my gun in pieces in a cardboard box. I walked out and never returned. Needless to say another gun shop had it done in a week.

I wonder how his sons gun shop is doing. Ah the memories of the old Ammo brothers, glad to hear nothing has changed.
Sounds like my dealings with Bain and Davis/Oscar's. I was going to give that dude a job something didn't smell right luckily I trusted my instinct.
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