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Old 06-28-2020, 5:55 PM
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Default New owner of a Ruger 10/22 question

Shot it today for the first time. Lots of fun and a very accurate rifle.
I have a 10 shot factory mag, are there other mags that work well?
And I know that this has been asked before, but is it correct that 10 round mag law does not apply to rimfire?
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Old 06-28-2020, 6:11 PM
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Factory 10 round mags are the best for standard capacity.

Unless you bought LCM's for it during freedom week or owned them prior to the ban on LCM's, you're out of luck.

Mag laws apply to all, including rimfire.
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PC12020
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/di...le=12020-12040

(25) As used in this section, "large-capacity magazine" means any
ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10
rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it
cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(B) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(C) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action
firearm.
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The best working mags are the original 10 rounders.
Note that the clear ones are every so slightly wider side-to-side and you may have to open up your mag well sides a bit for them to work right.
The mag needs to have some wiggle room when in the gun, it should not be tightly held in place.

There are other good mags out there but you have to find the brand / type that your gun likes.

10 round max mag cap limit currently applies to rimfire as well as centerfire.
Many people purchased 10+ round mags during Freedom Week, these can be used in rimfires, even those with evil features.
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I’ve only tried the Ruger BX series, so I can’t answer your first question.

As to your second question, rimfires are NOT exempt from the high capacity restrictions.

The only exceptions that I’m aware of are:

1) Magazines owned prior to the effective date of the restrictions

2) Magazines acquired during “freedom week”

How would someone go about proving that their magazine fall into one of these exceptions? I’m not sure. If the mag has a production date stamped on it, maybe that would work for the older “grandfather ed” magazines.

As far as one purchased during “freedom week”, I don’t know. Maybe a receipt proving the date of purchase?
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Stick with the factory 10rd rotary and your 1022 will rarely if ever jam
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I’ve only tried the Ruger BX series, so I can’t answer your first question.

As to your second question, rimfires are NOT exempt from the high capacity restrictions.

The only exceptions that I’m aware of are:

1) Magazines owned prior to the effective date of the restrictions

2) Magazines acquired during “freedom week”

How would someone go about proving that their magazine falls into one of these exceptions? I’m not sure. If the mag has a production date stamped on it, maybe that would work for the older “grandfathered in” magazines.

As far as one purchased during “freedom week”, I don’t know. Maybe a receipt proving the date of purchase?
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PC12020
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/di...le=12020-12040

(25) As used in this section, "large-capacity magazine" means any
ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10
rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it
cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(B) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(C) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action
firearm.
12020PC was replaced a few years ago with 16590PC
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Current Statute; CA PEN 16740:
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As used in this part, “large-capacity magazine” means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(a) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(b) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(c) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.
Magazine-fed .22’s are limited to 10 rounds, unless obtained prior to 2000 or during Freedom Week.
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the 10 round butler creeks are fun in that they are easier to remove than the flush fit one

i stocked up back in 1999 on butler creek hotlips
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If someone bought, for example, a BX-25 during freedom week, how would they prove that it was legally obtained if questioned?

Would you literally have to save the receipt to show the authorities?
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I’ve only tried the Ruger BX series, so I can’t answer your first question.

As to your second question, rimfires are NOT exempt from the high capacity restrictions.

The only exceptions that I’m aware of are:

1) Magazines owned prior to the effective date of the restrictions

2) Magazines acquired during “freedom week”

How would someone go about proving that their magazine falls into one of these exceptions? I’m not sure. If the mag has a production date stamped on it, maybe that would work for the older “grandfathered in” magazines.

As far as one purchased during “freedom week”, I don’t know. Maybe a receipt proving the date of purchase?
The state needs to prove guilt. However, there was a recent situation where the officer knew about Freedom Week and arrested the owner anyway. See: Travesty of Justice

Time and money set the individual free.
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I swear by the OEM BX mags. Capacity aside, I've never had a reason to deviate. Although, the local Wally use to sell them for like $13 if I remember correctly (it's been awhile). If the price has gone up substantially, a less expensive alternative could be tempting.
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https://www.brownells.com/magazines/...prod32500.aspx

Get 6 mags and two of these.
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I bought a couple of these with 6 factory mags for $40. I figured it was cheap enough just for the mags. Stick with the rotary mags. I had a couple 25 round mags years ago that were nothing but trouble. Maybe the new Ruger one is better.
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I was going to mention the Alangator Tri-mag (3 mags coupled together) and there are a couple 2 mag couplers out there as well (I think one brand had a 4 mag setup...). Good solution if you didn't get BX25's at the applicable times, as mentioned above.

BX10's are pretty cheap, and work well. Add a coupler if you want more rounds at your fingertips.

Remember to buy large amounts of ammo... it's easy to burn through 100 rounds like water!
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I've had my original 10-22 since 1976. The factory 10 rounders that came with it still work flawlessly after many thousands of rounds. Various after market mags have come and gone.

Own a couple more 10-22s now. Enjoying the GSG 110 round drum (freedom week) right now. Time will tell if it holds up like an original Ruger mag.
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Congrats on the new 10/22. I’m on the hunt for takedown myself.
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Thank you for all the replies. I do have one factory 10 round mag and it works great. I will just buy more of these.
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Gun mag warehouse has them on sale for $13, I just bought a couple more, since I just started 2 gun rimfire and was a little short of capacity...
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10round mag capacity applies to EVERY caliber, as mentioned before.
My suggestion, use only BX-1 black or clear mags. There are other 10round mags out there but its just not worth messing with. Reliability with rim fire is already a bit touchy.
I buy my ruger BX-1 (10rd rotary black .22 box mag for ruger 10/22) in 3 packs. Usually I can find a 3 pack for $34.99 at gunmagwarehouse or grabagun
Don’t ever pay more than $13 for a single mag. The clear ones cost a bit more.
I know CDNN Sports has 3 packs for $39.99 in stock right now.
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Definitely stick with the factory 10 rounder. Flawless fun. Nothing says you can’t have a dozen loaded and ready for fun on the range. And who can count past 10 when your having fun anyway.
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If someone bought, for example, a BX-25 during freedom week, how would they prove that it was legally obtained if questioned?

Would you literally have to save the receipt to show the authorities?
The burden of proof that you did not own them before the ban, or acquired them during “freedom week”, is entirely upon them. You do not need to provide proof of innocence.

I have two 10 round Ruger mags and two BX25 Ruger mags for my 10/22. They all work flawlessly for me. Decades ago I had one of those big clear mags, possibly a Butler Creek, but did not like it. But, it’s been so long that I don’t remember why.
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Here's where the "22 exception" misunderstanding comes from:

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As used in this part, “large-capacity magazine” means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(a) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(b) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(c) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.
In case this is still not clear to someone new to firearms, what's meant by a "tube" magazine is one that is directly underneath and paralell to the barrel, such as is found on pump shotguns and lever guns. They are not detachable from the firearm without significant mechanical work, what's known as a "fixed" magazine. An example of a firearm taking advantage of this exception would be the semi-automatic Marlin Model 60, which is chambered in 22 lr and has a magazine tube directly below the barrel, and can hold >10 rounds.

All detachable magazines are subject to the 10-round limitation with the exception of Freedom Week mags.
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How would someone go about proving that their magazine fall into one of these exceptions? I’m not sure. If the mag has a production date stamped on it, maybe that would work for the older “grandfather ed” magazines.

As far as one purchased during “freedom week”, I don’t know. Maybe a receipt proving the date of purchase?
Even though you're in California, you're still barely part of the USA. In America, it's up to your accuser to prove you violated the law, it's not on you to prove you're innocent.


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If someone bought, for example, a BX-25 during freedom week, how would they prove that it was legally obtained if questioned?

Would you literally have to save the receipt to show the authorities?
See above. I'm not sure Ruger standard or higher capacity magazines have a date code.

IMO generally 10/22 magazines with steel lips are better than those with plastic lips.
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I have had good luck with the 10rd steel lips by Butler Creek.
Plus they are easier to remove, especially during competition speed shooting.
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We’ve all believed this, but forgot that LEOs and ADAs may have different opinions. The Pheng Yang Case is instructive and sobering.
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We’ve all believed this, but forgot that LEOs and ADAs may have different opinions. The Pheng Yang Case is instructive and sobering.
Per page 10 in that link, the defendant was declared innocent in court.
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Per page 10 in that link, the defendant was declared innocent in court.
Yes....six months later + legal fees...not to mention stress on family and kids...so, Yay!

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I purchased some 25 round magazines during freedom week knowing that I was going to add a Ruger 10/22 in the future. Didn't you too?
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I would also stick with the factory 10 rounders. Get another 9 of them and then pick up a Pelican 1040. It will hold 10 mags tidy and you can use the lid as a clean area to dump a box of 50 or 100 rounds to make reloading easier. I load these up in advance before hitting the range.


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Walmart has the best deal for 10/22 magazine storage box. The waterproof box holds 10 mags and is under $7. Pelican boxes are around $20. They are slightly bigger and don't fit as tight as the pelican, and have to put in some padding but are cheaper. I use them for everything. I 3d printed inserts for my 5, 6 and 7 shot revolvers too. I will print a tray for the 10/22 mags when I get around to it.


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I agree. I shot 3 Gun 22 lr class with these and they worked great. Really fast "reloads".

Also try an Appleseed with your 10/22 for some real fun.
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I purchased the Ruger BX-25 MAGAzines and found them difficult to load. I bought one of these and, WOW, did it make it easy to load the 25 rounds fast.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Yes....six months later + legal fees...not to mention stress on family and kids...so, Yay!

Hit his Go Fund Me site.
Yay indeed. Think about it...good or bad, he took the big hit for the rest of us.

Given the results of his trial, no DA in his right mind would try a second time...great precedent.
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With respect to the burden of proof issue regarding high capacity magazines:

It is correct that the burden of proof for establishing each element of the crime lies with the prosecution.

However, if a defendant raises an exception to the rule as a defense, then the burden to establish that exception shifts to the defendant.

So, the general rule is that possession of high capacity magazines is illegal in California (either an infraction or misdemeanor). An exception to the rule is for magazines acquired during FW.

The prosecutor would not have to prove that you acquired the magazine outside of FW, because that is not an element of the crime as enumerated in the statute.

The burden would be on the defendant to show that possession of the magazine is excused under the narrow exception.

My original question was about what type of evidence would suffice to establish the exception, but all CA gun owners should be aware that simply saying “I got it during FW” may not get you off the hook.
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Don't do it. Other rifles will laugh at your rifle.



Or be jelly of it showing off it's danglies
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I've had good luck with both the Butler Creek Hot Lips and Steel Lips magazines.

https://www.butlercreek.com/magazines/
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