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Old 02-25-2018, 11:36 AM
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Where’s all the updates on the 5.2 MILLION dollar super range not including the Super vault for another 1/2 mil + Real leadership! REJECTED going to spend another 100k on more plans? just what USI does best Dream!! Vault full of plans two set of bathroom plans for ADA Compliance that USI refuses to do anywhere on the facility. Beautiful set of plans for the Multi million dollar Taj Mahal And indoor shooting range. REJECTED! Nothing but crickets here WHY? Can’t wait till this project gets to public review. Then it’s going to get real embarrassing. So sad!
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Whereís all the updates on the 5.2 MILLION dollar super range not including the Super vault for another 1/2 mil + Real leadership! REJECTED going to spend another 100k on more plans? just what USI does best Dream!! Vault full of plans two set of bathroom plans for ADA Compliance that USI refuses to do anywhere on the facility. Beautiful set of plans for the Multi million dollar Taj Mahal And indoor shooting range. REJECTED! Nothing but crickets here WHY? Canít wait till this project gets to public review. Then itís going to get real embarrassing. So sad!
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Until members replace the diablo board who drew up a 500k overflow parking lot for themselves... The BayPoint President who’s running the cabal expanding tha range and super sized office and vault was questioned on the need he quickly said not my idea, referring it to Diablo Action pistol the Brentwood board sitting on thir thumbs as usual and Walnut Creek tells it like it is but is out voted. Remember Kramer One the top designer in the countrie’s design was rejected at 2.2 mil,the board Wanted him to sign off on the removal of more safety features and he quit the project saying USI is reckless. Then they throw out the Architectural and structural plans along with the civil engineer work and hire another high cost engineering firm and civil engineer tons of dirt work, doubling what was spent on the first. Now another brainstorm USI design already rejected by Mr Kramer for various reasons to delete the baffling. But Diablo and Bay Point and Concord knew better bringing back this 5.5 million boondoggle. USI continues to burn cash with no end in sight.
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Kinda funny how no USI board members or any of the 5 clubs ever come on here and explain things from an official point of view.

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It's been a goat rodeo since day one. The leadership has peed down their legs and wasted so much with zero return.
The shotgunners are laughing there azz off. And the punch line is....they've been shooting all these years while the range has been closed.
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It's been a goat rodeo since day one. The leadership has peed down their legs and wasted so much with zero return.
The shotgunners are laughing there azz off. And the punch line is....they've been shooting all these years while the range has been closed.
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Just so that everyone understands ... the five member USI Board is composed of the President (or his delegate) of each of the five clubs.
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I'm completely shocked you guys didn't see this from the very first day at closed. This place isn't going to reopen anytime soon if at all. It will probably be turned into a transgender dog Park for the economically disadvantaged of East County
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Unless the members of each club all show up at once, and demand the clubs leaders be removed from their positions, nothing will change.

This range is toast; the physical lands owner probably realizes heís sitting on real estate development gold mine and is just bidding his time.

This BS has been going on now for almost 3+ years; nothing will change, nothing is going to till people start ousting the supposed club leaders.

And we all know that wonít happen...
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The land is owned Equally by the five clubs which make up USI. USI is the operator of day to day operations, directed by the five owner clubs designed official Usually the president of that club.
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Until members replace the diablo board who drew up a 500k overflow parking lot for themselves... The BayPoint President who’s running the cabal expanding tha range and super sized office and vault was questioned on the need he quickly said not my idea, referring it to Diablo Action pistol the Brentwood board sitting on thir thumbs as usual and Walnut Creek tells it like it is but is out voted. Remember Kramer One the top designer in the countrie’s design was rejected at 2.2 mil,the board Wanted him to sign off on the removal of more safety features and he quit the project saying USI is reckless. Then they throw out the Architectural and structural plans along with the civil engineer work and hire another high cost engineering firm and civil engineer tons of dirt work, doubling what was spent on the first. Now another brainstorm USI design already rejected by Mr Kramer for various reasons to delete the baffling. But Diablo and Bay Point and Concord knew better bringing back this 5.5 million boondoggle. USI continues to burn cash with no end in sight.
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Kinda funny how no USI board members or any of the 5 clubs ever come on here and explain things from an official point of view.

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It's been a goat rodeo since day one. The leadership has peed down their legs and wasted so much with zero return.
The shotgunners are laughing there azz off. And the punch line is....they've been shooting all these years while the range has been closed.
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Kinda funny how no USI board members or any of the 5 clubs ever come on here and explain things from an official point of view.

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Old 02-26-2018, 7:48 PM
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We've had a lot of USI members join Livermore while they wait through the dilemma. You guys had a nice facility, I hope it gets up and running again soon.
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with the current political climate they will NEVER get permits to build you can bank on that.
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Same thing has happened with Diablo and Bay Point now that Diablo did when they planned on building the "indoor range" about 3+ years ago. A waste of money for something unnecessary.

Why? Because ONE CLUB with the complicity of two others designed and spent money on plans for stuff "they wanted", ie. an overflow parking lot for use by Action Pistol/Diablo. Never mind that did nothing to solve the original issue of bullets leaving the property. $500K +/- because "they" wanted it. And now BP is back peddling when called out by one club President acting as "construction manager", the endless design changes, million dollar steel backstops, and the answer is "I didn't do it".

The estimates from the few remaining contractors who haven't told USI to F*** OFF came in between $5M and $7M dollars. NO WAY USI has that kind of money.

These guys "assumed" we could easily sell the vacant land at the bottom of Evora Rd to bankroll their grand plans.

Why someone asked did they tear down a perfectly good range shack? They wanted a premiere range office, with all kinds of extra perks. Again, nothing to stop bullets from leaving the USI property.

Now, that it's torn down, it is a waste of funds to replace it, and we will be assessed on the new construction, pay permits, and it all has to be code. Why did the plan not simply "remodel" the existing bathrooms?

For far too long, Action Pistol has had grand plans to expand. The renter ($30K a year rent) was forced out. Why? AP wanted to "take over" the "corp yard" area. We lost the containers.

The sad thing: USI has LOST almost 3 years of income, and all the while pissed away funds on endless designs, changes, and "wild, unrealistic" dreams of making the range "world class".

Well...you have to make decisions based on your budget, and on "what" you are trying to achieve. That is, stop bullets from leaving the property.

The finger pointing and name calling has now become the rule up there. No one wants to take responsibility. Walnut Creek all along has been outvoted every time they tried to stop the "grab".

So, they are almost back to square one. Anyone in the construction trades knows that once you scrape the land and tear down the structures and buildings.. you gotta spend WAY MORE to replace vs. using that which has served USI for years.

USI ran profitably (after expenses, salaries, etc.) over $100K for six years. We did a lot of improvements, bought equipment, etc. and still banked over $600K. Very healthy.

Now, USI's money has been squandered by "dreamers" from one club, backed by others. And USI still has no range.

This attitude began over four years ago. It shows AP for what it is... the "who cares, we want it". They have been confrontational. They have packed the Board meeting to fight for their special interest. They orchestrated the take over of BP. So they could get their vote. To build an indoor range. To triple the size of AP, yet they DO NOT PAY shoot fees to USI... they call their activity "a club shoot", and exempt themselves from supporting the overall operations. LOOK AT THE FINANCIALS TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE PAID OVER THE YEARS. They were supposed to equal the income renter who was on the AP range. But that never happened. 80 shooters on a weekend? Diablo AP keeps all shoot fees. You should hear their excuses. "It costs us"... "we volunteer". Fully, they gave blank looks when they were reminded that the AP range is on USI property and it isn't a private club separate from USI operations. Insurance, maintenance, property taxes...salaries. Oh, never mind.

It's nice to have a "Cadillac" range, with all the nice amenities, but you gotta pay for it, and you need to make good decisions, BUSINESS decisions.

It's time for a house cleaning at USI and actually put people in who make decisions for USI as a whole, and not one club's "Special Interest".

This is a harsh post. Some will get angry. Some will deny. The Diablo folks were called out at the last Board meeting by a long time Diablo Member who unloaded on them for what has happened.
And the "construction manager" who is a club President chewed them out openly for their hijacking this whole process. Even when confronted about the new baffles and how the $1M expense for the steel is unnecessary (we CAN SHOOT INTO THE 200 FOOT HILL SAFELY), the BP President still said "well, maybe instead of three, we can use two baffles". To which he was scolded "what part of we can shoot into the hill and don't need ANY baffles" do you not understand.

Folks, this is a huge setback. ASK your club (well, the shot callers) what the hell have they been doing? Time to dump out the Kool-Aid.

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Same thing has happened with Diablo and Bay Point now that Diablo did when they planned on building the "indoor range" about 3+ years ago. A waste of money for something unnecessary.

Why? Because ONE CLUB with the complicity of two others designed and spent money on plans for stuff "they wanted", ie. an overflow parking lot for use by Action Pistol/Diablo. Never mind that did nothing to solve the original issue of bullets leaving the property. $500K +/- because "they" wanted it. And now BP is back peddling when called out by one club President acting as "construction manager", the endless design changes, million dollar steel backstops, and the answer is "I didn't do it".

The estimates from the few remaining contractors who haven't told USI to F*** OFF came in between $5M and $7M dollars. NO WAY USI has that kind of money.

These guys "assumed" we could easily sell the vacant land at the bottom of Evora Rd to bankroll their grand plans.

Why someone asked did they tear down a perfectly good range shack? They wanted a premiere range office, with all kinds of extra perks. Again, nothing to stop bullets from leaving the USI property.

Now, that it's torn down, it is a waste of funds to replace it, and we will be assessed on the new construction, pay permits, and it all has to be code. Why did the plan not simply "remodel" the existing bathrooms?

For far too long, Action Pistol has had grand plans to expand. The renter ($30K a year rent) was forced out. Why? AP wanted to "take over" the "corp yard" area. We lost the containers.

The sad thing: USI has LOST almost 3 years of income, and all the while pissed away funds on endless designs, changes, and "wild, unrealistic" dreams of making the range "world class".

Well...you have to make decisions based on your budget, and on "what" you are trying to achieve. That is, stop bullets from leaving the property.

The finger pointing and name calling has now become the rule up there. No one wants to take responsibility. Walnut Creek all along has been outvoted every time they tried to stop the "grab".

So, they are almost back to square one. Anyone in the construction trades knows that once you scrape the land and tear down the structures and buildings.. you gotta spend WAY MORE to replace vs. using that which has served USI for years.

USI ran profitably (after expenses, salaries, etc.) over $100K for six years. We did a lot of improvements, bought equipment, etc. and still banked over $600K. Very healthy.

Now, USI's money has been squandered by "dreamers" from one club, backed by others. And USI still has no range.

This attitude began over four years ago. It shows AP for what it is... the "who cares, we want it". They have been confrontational. They have packed the Board meeting to fight for their special interest. They orchestrated the take over of BP. So they could get their vote. To build an indoor range. To triple the size of AP, yet they DO NOT PAY shoot fees to USI... they call their activity "a club shoot", and exempt themselves from supporting the overall operations. LOOK AT THE FINANCIALS TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE PAID OVER THE YEARS. They were supposed to equal the income renter who was on the AP range. But that never happened. 80 shooters on a weekend? Diablo AP keeps all shoot fees. You should hear their excuses. "It costs us"... "we volunteer". Fully, they gave blank looks when they were reminded that the AP range is on USI property and it isn't a private club separate from USI operations. Insurance, maintenance, property taxes...salaries. Oh, never mind.

It's nice to have a "Cadillac" range, with all the nice amenities, but you gotta pay for it, and you need to make good decisions, BUSINESS decisions.

It's time for a house cleaning at USI and actually put people in who make decisions for USI as a whole, and not one club's "Special Interest".

This is a harsh post. Some will get angry. Some will deny. The Diablo folks were called out at the last Board meeting by a long time Diablo Member who unloaded on them for what has happened.
And the "construction manager" who is a club President chewed them out openly for their hijacking this whole process. Even when confronted about the new baffles and how the $1M expense for the steel is unnecessary (we CAN SHOOT INTO THE 200 FOOT HILL SAFELY), the BP President still said "well, maybe instead of three, we can use two baffles". To which he was scolded "what part of we can shoot into the hill and don't need ANY baffles" do you not understand.

Folks, this is a huge setback. ASK your club (well, the shot callers) what the hell have they been doing? Time to dump out the Kool-Aid.
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Diablo meeting is tonight for anyone who want's to find out whats going on. I have spent 1000's of volunteer hours down at action pistol and at this point I am tired of updates that never come and the bickering that goes back and forth.
Who knows what the real truth is anymore as there are always 2 sides to every story or post on calguns.
frankly I am just to tired to care anymore about who is wrong and who is right. If my membership was due for renewal I know after 4 years of inactivity rebuilding the range I would not renew.
Lots of friends and family are asking if they should renew and at this point it seems the most logical answer is no.
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Diablo meeting is tonight for anyone who want's to find out whats going on. I have spent 1000's of volunteer hours down at action pistol and at this point I am tired of updates that never come and the bickering that goes back and forth.
Who knows what the real truth is anymore as there are always 2 sides to every story or post on calguns.
frankly I am just to tired to care anymore about who is wrong and who is right. If my membership was due for renewal I know after 4 years of inactivity rebuilding the range I would not renew.
Lots of friends and family are asking if they should renew and at this point it seems the most logical answer is no.
Renewal is so cheap, why would you not? Just to help sink the ship faster?

Not that I am not sad and disappointed at the state of things, but as a volunteer org I can totally see why these things happen and I am not going to throw stones when I can't/won't show up to help drive the process.
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Yeah go there and here it right from the Dream Weavers Themselves, they have no shame they will keep the lies going.. If they had any class they would step down.
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Your way off on a lot of your statement
Which one?

A)It's been a goat rodeo since day one.
-Kevin agree's in his post the club leadership can't play nice.
You agreed with him being "spot on".
Every club had their own vision of what USI should be instead of getting a basic range built to code and get the damn public range doors open to stop the hemorrhaging cash.

B)The leadership has peed down their legs and wasted so much with zero return.
-Are you happy about only being able to shot rifle and pistol in 22LR
for all the money that's been wasted?
At least there was bonus demo of the rifle/pistol range and shack.

C)The shotgunners are laughing there azz off. And the punch line is....they've been shooting all these years while the range has been closed.
-You can't disagree here.
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None of the so-called shotguners are Laughing a good 90% of them were regular shooters at the public range and multi purpose and are extremely interested in the range plans. you’re just flat wrong on that. You continue to Perpetuate a Myth.
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Someone needs to call DJT Jr. and get him to invest in USI and boot out all of the bickering cry babies. Heck, it seems like they're worse than a high school auditorium full of PTA moms.
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Need to open up the range. Its costing me too much to shoot shotgun. Tokens go too fast. I buy them 30 at a time. And it cost me a few new shot guns

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The smart Businessman that use USI and know the books and could buy that place with the money in their right front pocket, wouldn’t touch it if you paid them. USI is the free lunch to many. .i.e DAP Millions in hazardous waste clean up laying over its northern and eastern property line that will be dealt with at some point. Nobody even talks about it, even though their Conservation pledge is “I give my pledge as an American to save and to faithfully defend from waste the natural resources of my country it’s soils and minerals it’s air forest waters and wildlife.” It’s just lip service! Maybe the money left would be better spent on that!
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The smart Businessman that use USI and know the books and could buy that place with the money in their right front pocket, wouldnít touch it if you paid them. USI is the free lunch to many. .i.e DAP Millions in hazardous waste clean up laying over its northern and eastern property line that will be dealt with at some point. Nobody even talks about it, even though their Conservation pledge is ďI give my pledge as an American to save and to faithfully defend from waste the natural resources of my country itís soils and minerals itís air forest waters and wildlife.Ē Itís just lip service! Maybe the money left would be better spent on that!
you are starting to sound like a 14 year old girl with your ongoing D.A.P. rants.
how exactly is this helping anything?
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I realize your a fully invested fanboy. How was the meeting don’t see you refuting any of the facts.
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Let's not do the whole personal insults thing.

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Diablo meeting is tonight for anyone who want's to find out whats going on. I have spent 1000's of volunteer hours down at action pistol and at this point I am tired of updates that never come and the bickering that goes back and forth.
Who knows what the real truth is anymore as there are always 2 sides to every story or post on calguns.
frankly I am just to tired to care anymore about who is wrong and who is right. If my membership was due for renewal I know after 4 years of inactivity rebuilding the range I would not renew.
Lots of friends and family are asking if they should renew and at this point it seems the most logical answer is no.
It hasn't been 4 years and if you heard it at a Diablo meeting it's a lie.
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Wow, I just popped in to find out what the heck is happening. I expected that some progress had been made by now. Instead, it sounds like a Sht show.

If the leadership could get everyone to agree on the basic parameters for USI. And set some deadlines leading to an opening date, however far out, perhaps the range wouldn't go in the toilet.

I'm now assuming that the range will not be operational before I move out of CA, and this is another reason I'm moving. All of the decent ranges are closing or are so crowded that they are functionally useless.

For instance, Livermore has become so restrictive that I hate going there. Chabot CLOSED. USI CLOSED. I hate indoor ranges like Dublin. San Leandro is crappy for rifle. The only one I haven't tried is Richmond...and its kinda far.

I doubt I'll shoot at USI again since I'm leaving CA in about 2020, and I doubt they'll be ready by then.

What a bunch of losers.
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So basically the updates are that it’s still 2016 from what I’m getting here?
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Don't worry ProtectThe2nd will be along shortly to tell everybody all is well and it's time to renew your membership...
Hi this is ProtectThe2ndís wife.

ProtectThe2nd passed away in January.
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Hi this is ProtectThe2ndís wife.

ProtectThe2nd passed away in January.
Very sorry for your loss. God bless and I hope you and yours find peace in this difficult time.
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