Marlin 795 MEGATHREAD Part Deuce

[elx144]

I went with the Numrich stock. It does need some grinding for the trigger guard and the bolt release to fit. Not the nicest looking stock, but it has a thicker grip than the plastic one. I'm still working on getting the flash suppressor to fit around the Tech-sight.

I had to add studs for the swivels too.

[Chaos47]

Thanks to elx144 and Panchira! for their information about stock options. The guide has been updated to reflect the new information.


And also to FUBAR for finding a new rear sight option!
http://skinnersights.com/rimfire_groove_sights_25.html

[elx144]

I just put a 375 round box of CCI AR Tactical 40 grain 1200fps through my 795. At 25 yards every rounds was within 4" of the center. I didn't experience any jams, even when I was trying rapid fire. This is one sweet little rifle. The trigger pull really isn't bad, but my thumbs were a little sore from loading mags. I figure once the mags are broken in and my thumbs get thicker loading will be easier. My Springfield XD mags took around 1,000 rounds before I could get all ten in without having to push against the bench.

[Gurney]

elx144, thank you for your post about the Numerich stock. I've had mine for months, only now have time to install it. Glad to know what to expect.

[shamaz]

"If you want to get to know people, learn their music. Then learn their cooking. Then watch how your kids play together."

Hey, Gurney, this is a great saying or quote! Did you originate it?

Sincerely,

Shamaz, a musician and "foodie"

[elx144]

Big 5 had 525 rounds of Blazer 40gr .22 that comes out at 1235fps. I put about 200 rounds through my 795 today and I still haven't had one feed issue. I cleaned the bolt really well and lubed all the moving parts last night. All my .22 shots were at least on paper.

Some of the hits on the paper are 5.56, 5.45, and 9mm. I put up a fresh target after I hit the old one with my shotgun.

[dooodstevenn]

i just did my paperwork for mine today! blued and synthetic for 150 at bass pro, plus tax and fees will pick it up monday the 17th, since i will be working on the weekends any recommendations as to first mods? trigger? sights? if so what brand?

[CharlesV]

Are 795's just fine out of the box or do mods need to be done first? From the Dude vid above the 795 sounds like my Marlin 30-30 which required an action job right out of the box. I want to buy a 795 this month and would like to know whats coming or if i dont have to worry about it. Thanks.

[dooodstevenn]

just watched through the fog city trigger job, mods look really easy, but im not too sure about stoning the sear. worried about accidental discharges. has anyone stonned their sear? if so how much? i would only be willing to take a very little bit off, will that do anything at all?

[elx144]

I think the point of stoning the sear is to remove any imperfections. I figure this would eventually be done with normal use. It would be hard to add metal later on, and there's going to be wear with use. Not removing metal means I wont have to buy new parts as soon. All I've done is oil the sear and fire the gun. Make sure you clean the gun really well before you fire it. The trigger pull will always be hard, but that makes it a good training rifle.

The tech-sights are nice. The rear sights looks a little crooked on the rails, but the sights line up straight. The factory sights will do, but I didn't like the depth of the rear sight notch.

[Chaos47]

No mods "need" to be done. Your 795 will run perfectly fine right out of the box (I would clean it first and get out the gummy packing oil though)

"Dude" as I am sure you have seen is a bit eccentric. They are good videos but he goes a bit overboard imo. Your rifle will run fine without most of the things he does. I posted them because I aim to have the most 795 information together in one place.

I personally have not stoned my sear. No the parts will not wear into this configuration. This is re profiling the angle on the sear. I do not have the correct tools to do it so I skipped it. You have to go very slow and make sure you do not take too much off otherwise yes it may become unsafe.

My trigger is plenty light just from doing the springs and other tuning. I do not have a weight gauge to tell you what it is at though.

[CharlesV]

Ok thanks for that. Looks like the trigger spring is the most helpful thing to do out of the box. I think the heavy spring is intended for beginners in .22. IMO.

I wont do anything else until i shot it quite a bit. Im 50/50 on either a 60 or 795 so I may buy a model 60 at the same time and outfit them differently. We'll see. I dont know.

For cheapie scopes, have shooters settled on one?

[Chaos47]

Heavy triggers are because of lawyers. Yes one of the fastest and easiest things you can do is just straight up remove your trigger return spring. I would also tweak the rest of the springs as per the fogcitytactical videos.

Can't go wrong on a 60 or 795..

No pack leader on scopes. There are lots of threads out there about 22lr scopes so do some looking around.

[inbox485]

I got 2 795's from big 5 a little bit back. Both had the trigger go dead around 100 rounds. Turns out there is a pin that walks out and jams the sear disconnect. Anybody else have this issue, or deal with Marlin for warranty stuff?

[Chaos47]

Never heard of this...

Which pin?
Where is it located? Trigger Guard, Action?
Photos would be helpful!

I have dealt with them for getting replacement magazines it was pretty easy but I am sure it will be a bit harder to send firearms back and forth...

So lets see if we can get them working for you before you have to send them in.

BTW Where are you located? If you are in the IE area I would be happy to look at them.

[CharlesV]

Thanks Chaos.

Your post reminded me of something you could do if you want, thats to boil down discussions and add to the first post the summary facts, like which scopes, which best mods, etc. Then remove the discussions, leaving the bare facts. Eventually the first post contains everything A-Z.

I see a problem in Calguns and an AR-7 forum im on when threads become very long. Newcomers ask the same questions over and over and nobody wants to answer and the newcomers dont want to read 50 pages of a thread to find that one word or one line answer. Since you already started this better idea in the first post, consider seeing the idea through. Alternative is leave things as they are and gleen out facts to eventually have one gigantic Sticky post. Eventually this could be done for all models of guns.

[Chaos47]

That is what I am trying to do with this thread.

The first posts are a distillation of information from the original "Marlin 795 thread" and other resources around the web. As new products or tips are brought up the first posts will be updated to reflect the new information.

[dooodstevenn]

Originally Posted by Chaos47

No mods "need" to be done. Your 795 will run perfectly fine right out of the box (I would clean it first and get out the gummy packing oil though)

"Dude" as I am sure you have seen is a bit eccentric. They are good videos but he goes a bit overboard imo. Your rifle will run fine without most of the things he does. I posted them because I aim to have the most 795 information together in one place.

I personally have not stoned my sear. No the parts will not wear into this configuration. This is re profiling the angle on the sear. I do not have the correct tools to do it so I skipped it. You have to go very slow and make sure you do not take too much off otherwise yes it may become unsafe.

My trigger is plenty light just from doing the springs and other tuning. I do not have a weight gauge to tell you what it is at though.

is the packing oil everywhere in the gun? so would it be necessary to take apart the action and clean/lube that too?

[Chaos47]

Its not like there is a ton of it or that its all over the place. But yes there is a thin coat of it which should be removed.

So yes, you should open up the rifle and clean it out. This is generally advisable for any new firearm.

The 795 is modular, the action comes out in one piece.

The action can be taken apart farther but for general cleaning it can be left together and cleaned with a tooth brush.

Flip over the rifle
Unscrew the 2 screws on the trigger guard
Pull off the trigger assembly
While holding the receiver to the stock, flip the rifle over again
Pull the receiver and barrel up from the stock
Put stock to the side
Remove the plastic pin from the rear of the action and receiver
You now have the action module separate and it can be cleaned

You will also remove the bolt and recoil spring and guide at this point.
Take care to not bend the spring when removing and replacing it.

Btw from my experience the 795 likes to be run dry

[dooodstevenn]

completely dry? a little lube? worries me not having lube with metal on metal

[roushstage2]

A light film of oil kind of dry; not dripping wet.

[Chaos47]

I clean mine with CLP with a toothbrush and then wipe it down till it looks shiny but dry. If I feel crazy I spread one drop over the rails and one on the sides of the bolt. Any more and you are just giving unburnt powder and carbon places to stick to.

Never had any failure of any kind with either rifles with thousands of rounds fired each. Never noticed any extra ware from them being run almost dry.

[inbox485]

Originally Posted by Chaos47

Never heard of this...

Which pin?
Where is it located? Trigger Guard, Action?
Photos would be helpful!

I have dealt with them for getting replacement magazines it was pretty easy but I am sure it will be a bit harder to send firearms back and forth...

So lets see if we can get them working for you before you have to send them in.

BTW Where are you located? If you are in the IE area I would be happy to look at them.

It is the main pin in the hammer:



The pin walks out and traps the sear disconnect down like this:



Not exactly range fixable. And it is two for two, so either there was a bad batch or Marlin has gone the way of Remington. Given who bought them both, that was my assumption. I think I might be able to deform the pin a bit on the opposite end and call it good, but I haven't had the time. I am in Hemet, so if you have any other ideas, I'm open to ideas. I've been telling anybody that's mentioned getting one of these to either buy used, or get a Ruger instead. My old hi-points are more reliable than these 795's.

[Chaos47]

Wow, well that sure sucks!

I will have to take my rifle apart when I get them back tomorrow night (they are at my friends house at the moment, just got back from vacation) and take a look to be sure but I am 90% sure that that pin on my rifles is peened on the opposite side so it is pretty much press fit.

I would assume either your pin is undersized or not peened.
If I am remembering it correctly the peen is just a dent in the center of the pin on the right side. I would probably do it with an automatic center punch.

Let me know if you want help.

[inbox485]

I don't remember for sure, but I don't think the pin was peened at all. Like I said, given the new owner, I'm not surprised that things like this are being skipped / missed.

I didn't know a center punch could punch that hard. I was planning to take something like a chizle and give a good wack on the opposite end to give it a slight dogbone. I'm not sure when I'll get a chance to take it back apart and work on it, but I'll try one, rip through a box of .22 shells to make sure it worked, then do the other.

[Chaos47]

Yea like I said I'm 90% sure it should have been peened. Someone got lazy at the factory apparently. I know when I polished my hammers that they came out with the strut and hammer firmly attached to eachother.


Your method may work too I just have seen an auto center punch peen a pin before so I know it works.

Tried to get the trigger pin out of a FM made Hipower clone with epoxy finish. That pin was in there so dang good you wouldn't believe all the stuff I tried. Read about people using automatic center punches to get them out. Got a Harbor freight one and it put a good dent into it but it didn't budge.

Had to borrow my step fathers adjustable one. Took dozens of hits starting from low to high to finally get it budging. (This is after a month of soaking it in penetrating oil, hah)

Ended up that there where 2 small metal shavings inside the hole that where acting like wedges. Ugh at least it came out and I could remove that dang Magazine safety.

But the point to this is yes an auto center punch can peen a pin.

[Chaos47]

Yea like I said I'm 90% sure it should have been peened. Someone got lazy at the factory apparently. I know when I polished my hammers that they came out with the strut and hammer firmly attached to eachother.


Your method may work too I just have seen an auto center punch peen a pin before so I know it works.

Tried to get the trigger pin out of a FM made Hipower clone with epoxy finish. That pin was in there so dang good you wouldn't believe all the stuff I tried. Read about people using automatic center punches to get them out. Got a Harbor freight one and it put a good dent into it but it didn't budge.

Had to borrow my step fathers adjustable one. Took dozens of hits starting from low to high to finally get it budging. (This is after a month of soaking it in penetrating oil, hah)

Ended up that there where 2 small metal shavings inside the hole that where acting like wedges. Ugh at least it came out and I could remove that dang Magazine safety.

But the point to this is yes an auto center punch can peen a pin.

[inbox485]

Do you think something like this would do the trick, or is there something better to use?

http://www.harborfreight.com/spring-...punch-621.html

[dooodstevenn]

are the stock sights really that bad? from what ive been reading everyone loves their tech sights and say they're worth the money, but how much of a difference does it actually make compared to stock?

also, what material are they made from?

[Chaos47]

Originally Posted by inbox485

Do you think something like this would do the trick, or is there something better to use?

http://www.harborfreight.com/spring-...punch-621.html

Thats the same one that was not strong enough to drive the pin on my hipower but it will probably work for this.

If you don't already have one you could just try your idea

Originally Posted by dooodstevenn

are the stock sights really that bad? from what ive been reading everyone loves their tech sights and say they're worth the money, but how much of a difference does it actually make compared to stock?

also, what material are they made from?

The front stock sight is fine. Could use a dab of paint to brighten it up.
The stock rear is kinda crappy its just folded stamped metal.
Probably worth the 10ish bucks to get the adjustable rear sight from Numrich... But the stock ones will work.

Tech sights are more adjustable and give you a peep style view.
From what I understand they are made of plastic metal.
Lots of people swear by them, my friend had a set for his Remington 597. He hated them, said that the plastic was cheap and that they did not keep their zero. But honestly that is like the only complaint of them I have ever heard. Everyone online seems to love them...

Lots of people love the Tech sights because they mimic US WW2 Battle Rifle sights. Because this is the style of shooting they teach at Appleseed many people recommend them for that reason.

My Girlfriend 795 rocks Williams Fire Sights, which we both like.
My 795 is scoped and has no backup sights on it...

[rkt88edmo]

Ive got a new to me 795 and new manufacture one. I'll have to compare the pins. The new manufacture one has a qr code looking thingum inscribed next ro the serial #

[dooodstevenn]

Originally Posted by Chaos47

Thats the same one that was not strong enough to drive the pin on my hipower but it will probably work for this.

If you don't already have one you could just try your idea



The front stock sight is fine. Could use a dab of paint to brighten it up.
The stock rear is kinda crappy its just folded stamped metal.
Probably worth the 10ish bucks to get the adjustable rear sight from Numrich... But the stock ones will work.

Tech sights are more adjustable and give you a peep style view.
From what I understand they are made of plastic.
Lots of people swear by them, my friend had a set for his Remington 597. He hated them, said that the plastic was cheap and that they did not keep their zero. But honestly that is like the only complaint of them I have ever heard. Everyone online seems to love them...

Lots of people love the Tech sights because they mimic US WW2 Battle Rifle sights. Because this is the style of shooting they teach at Appleseed many people recommend them for that reason.

My Girlfriend 795 rocks Williams Fire Sights, which we both like.
My 795 is scoped and has no backup sights on it...

thanks for the info! do you HAVE to have those style sights for appleseed? never been to one, but they're coming to the range down the street from my house in a few months that i want to go to, but i dont think i would want to spend 70 bucks on plastic sights.

also which fire sights fit the 795? i looked through the link and dont see marlin 795 sights specifically mentioned

[Chaos47]

No you don't have tech sights for Appleseed.
Appleseed is a bring what you have event.
Though it is highly recommend to have the GI style Web sling.

You can have any style sights or even a scope they will give you instruction on what you have. (Bring the manual for your scope if you have one)

The only thing you can not have at Appleseed is a bipod. Or use a large magazine as a Monopod. They teach shooting positions and sling use so you wont need one.


The Williams sights I purchased are for the M60 which is practically the same gun
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=2...RE-FIRE-SIGHTS



rkt88edmo What do your serial number start with?
The older ones start with numbers which if you took the first 2 and subtracted 100 from it you would get the year it was made.

Then when Remington took over they changed that and they started with "MM" Which is what both of mine are have.

I have not seen a QR style one yet, that is very interesting.

[dooodstevenn]

Originally Posted by Chaos47

No you don't have tech sights for Appleseed.
Appleseed is a bring what you have event.
Though it is highly recommend to have the GI style Web sling.

You can have any style sights or even a scope they will give you instruction on what you have. (Bring the manual for your scope if you have one)

The only thing you can not have at Appleseed is a bipod. Or use a large magazine as a Monopod. They teach shooting positions and sling use so you wont need one.


The Williams sights I purchased are for the M60 which is practically the same gun
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=2...RE-FIRE-SIGHTS



rkt88edmo What do your serial number start with?
The older ones start with numbers which if you took the first 2 and subtracted 100 from it you would get the year it was made.

Then when Remington took over they changed that and they started with "MM" Which is what both of mine are have.

I have not seen a QR style one yet, that is very interesting.

oh okay, sounds good. any gunsmithing needed for those sights? or do they go on fairly straight forward?

[Chaos47]

Never installed a pair but it should be diy.

Rear clamps onto the dovetail rail on the back and front should just use the same hole screw

[inbox485]

I have tech sights, and I really like them. They use the standard AR front posts, so you can select different front posts if you like. My only gripe is that the front sight doesn't use the detent plunger like on an AR, so if you try to use a fiber optic front sight post, you wont be able to keep the top part from turning under recoil. It is really simple to install tech sights. There's no drilling or anything like that.

For appleseed, you can use whatever sights you want, but unless your eyes are too bad for iron sights and you need a scope, there is a reason most people get the tech sights. You are shooting at targets that appear to be about the size of your stock front sight dot. You can do it with the stock sight, but it will be more natural with a finer tip, and the peep centers the shot picture more naturally than the two dot rear. Also part of the reason they are popular is that a 10/22 or 795 with tech sights is basically an M1 trainer rifle in .22lr.

[Chaos47]

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[Lead Waster]

Thanks for the Boyds coupon tip!

Oh, I think my Marlin has a canted front sight. I can't really see it on the gun, but I have to crank my tech sights almost all the way over to the left to get it zeroed at 25 yards!

[rbatesmotel]

Just picked up my first 795 on sale at Dick's Sporting Goods 129.99. Their catalog says there should be a 25 dollar rebate coupon on purchase as well but clerk couldn't find one. I will Hound them for it when I pick it up

[Chaos47]

The Marlin rebate is long over unless there is a new one that I have not heard about.

http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Rebates/

129.99 is still a pretty good deal in 2012..