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Old 09-13-2007, 8:41 AM
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Exclamation Republican Lawmakers calling for removal of Fish & Game Commish over Lead Ammo Ban!!!

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Link to the actual signed letter: http://media.sacbee.com/smedia/2007/...ffiliate.4.pdf



Link to story: http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/376344.html



Official targeted in battle over lead ammunition
34 Republicans urge governor to remove the commissioner.



By Matt Weiser - Bee Staff Writer
Published 12:00 am PDT Thursday, September 13, 2007

A battle over banning lead ammunition to protect the endangered California condor got personal this week as 34 Republican legislators turned on one of their own, a Schwarzenegger appointee on the state Fish and Game Commission.

The lawmakers, led by Sen. Dennis Hollingsworth, R- Temecula, wrote Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Monday urging him to remove R. Judd Hanna from the commission. Schwarzenegger appointed Hanna, a Republican, to a six-year term on the commission in February.

In a three-page letter, Hollingsworth and the other Republicans said Hanna's recent behavior on the lead-ammo controversy "raised serious questions about his suitability" for the commission.

Specifically, they complain that he provided other commissioners with a 167-page document he prepared on the issue at an Aug. 27 meeting, and that his notes in the document indicate that he supports banning lead ammunition.

They also complained that the five-member commission has no representatives from Southern California.

"In short, there is grave concern that Mr. Hanna is not being impartial relative to his participation in the commission's decision-making," the letter states.

Bullets and shotgun pellets containing toxic lead often remain in entrails or carcasses left behind by hunters. Condors -- scavengers by nature -- feed on these remains and ingest the lead, which can be fatal.

Last month, an adult condor died of lead poisoning after being caught at the Bitter Creek National Wildlife Refuge in Kern County. Another condor is now being treated for lead poisoning at the Los Angeles Zoo.

Only about 300 of the birds still exist, and the number would be much fewer if not for an ambitious captive breeding program that began in the 1980s. The risk of lead poisoning is one of the biggest threats to releasing more captive-bred birds into the wild.

Condors are not the only species at risk from lead poisoning. Many other varieties of wildlife are known to feed on carcasses or body parts of game animals left behind or lost by hunters.

Hanna, 66, is a former U.S. Navy pilot and Vietnam War veteran. A farmer, hunter, fisherman and former real estate developer, he gave Schwarzenegger $1,750 in campaign contributions in 2005 and 2006.

Reached at his home in Tehama County on Wednesday, he sounded bitter about the letter but declined to comment, except to note that it came from "some of my closest Republican friends."

Kim Delfino, California program director at Defenders of Wildlife, defended Hanna's work on the commission and said there are no valid grounds to remove him.

"They're basically saying Mr. Hanna should be removed from the commission because he's independently thinking for himself and happens to be from Northern California," she said. "They are flimsy reasons. Everyone I know that works on these issues is shocked by this."

Hollingsworth could not be reached for comment about the letter.

Schwarzenegger spokesman Aaron McLear confirmed that the governor has received the letter but has not yet responded. He declined to say more.

"We don't comment on personnel matters," McLear said.

Banning lead bullets and shot can make some hunting and shooting sports more expensive, though alternatives have existed for years.

A ban has drawn strong opposition from the National Rifle Association and other groups, even though the Fish and Game Commission has yet to issue a proposed rule.

A more immediate question is whether Schwarzenegger will sign AB 821, the Ridley-Tree Condor Preservation Act. Approved by the Legislature last week, it bans lead ammunition within specified condor habitat areas.

The Fish and Game Commission wrote Schwarzenegger on Tuesday urging him to veto the bill, saying its strict wording could result in a de facto ban on all hunting in the affected areas.
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Old 09-13-2007, 8:54 AM
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The Fish and Game Commission wrote Schwarzenegger on Tuesday urging him to veto the bill, saying its strict wording could result in a de facto ban on all hunting in the affected areas.
I didn't know this!
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I think this is bad. The 30-second-attention-span message from this is, "The Republicans and the NRA want hunters to be able to use ammo which is poisoning condors." The science is not confirmed one way or the other, but that's what the simple message is, and that's a bad message. This state is radically pro-environmental protection. If you're not on the side of protecting endangered species in this state, you're on the wrong side. The losing side.

The NRA should have coopted this bill and adjusted it in some ways to benefit hunters and also reap good PR from being pro-environment.

If Arnie doesn't sign this, you can be sure it will be a recurring campaign soundbite in his campaign against Boxer for the Senate. That will hurt him across the political spectrum. Is it worth risking having Senator Boxer for another 6 year term?

I'm an NRA member and supporter, but I feel strongly that the NRA should never come down (either in reality or in perception) as being anti-environment. That is not consistent with what is socially acceptable these days.
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Its only a matter of time before they ban boats because of the off chance they may run over a blue whale.

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Old 09-13-2007, 11:28 AM
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the commisioner needs to go the way of the dodo bird. the DFG sent a letter to the govs office asking him to veto it. the legislature has gone around the regulatory power that the DFG has. the legislature should be ashamed of themselves. but i bet they are patting themselves on their backs for screwing californians again.
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Old 09-14-2007, 7:58 AM
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand he's GONE!!!!!!!!

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http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/378564.html



Another shot in ammo battle
State Fish and Game Commission member quits, citing pressure over condor protection.



By Matt Weiser - Bee Staff Writer
Published 12:00 am PDT Friday, September 14, 2007

A growing political battle over restricting lead hunting ammunition claimed a high-profile victim Thursday with the resignation of R. Judd Hanna from the California Fish and Game Commission.

Hanna submitted his resignation to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Thursday morning. In an e-mail to supporters, obtained by The Bee, Hanna said he was told to leave by the Schwarzenegger administration following pressure from the National Rifle Association.


The commission has been debating whether to restrict lead hunting ammunition to protect the endangered California condor and other wildlife. The NRA has been a leading opponent, claiming such limits could prevent some people from hunting and open the door to additional ammo restrictions.

The Bee reported Thursday that 34 Republican legislators wrote Schwarzenegger on Monday, urging him to remove Hanna from the commission. They claim he was "not being impartial" in the ammo debate.

"It's not about me, it's about the condor and it's about the NRA hijacking the system," Hanna, 66, told The Bee on Thursday in a telephone interview. "And it's a shame because I'm not only a hunter, I'm a Republican."

Schwarzenegger spokesman Aaron McLear would not say whether Hanna was asked to resign. The administration, he said, does not comment on personnel matters. But he did respond to the NRA accusation.

"In general, I can tell you the NRA and any other group never has any undue influence on the governor," McLear said. "He always leads and makes decisions based on principle."

NRA officials in California did not respond to several requests for comment.

Commissioners serve at the governor's pleasure and can be removed at any time.

Hanna, a Tehama County farmer, was appointed to a six-year term on the commission by Schwarzenegger in February. He is a retired Navy pilot, Vietnam War veteran, duck hunter, fisherman and former real estate developer. He also serves on the board of the California Wildlife Foundation and the Lassen Park Foundation. He also contributed to Schwarzenegger's 2006 campaign.

But Republicans didn't like the way Hanna did his own research on the lead ammo issue. In their letter to the governor, legislators complained that he distributed a 167-page document on the subject to other commissioners at an Aug. 27 meeting, and that his notes on the document suggest he decided to support restrictions.

In the e-mail obtained by The Bee, Hanna said he was simply following guidance given to the commission by its attorney. That advice, he said, obligated commissioners to share any information that contributes to their decision-making process.

"I have done a thorough job and listened respectfully to all sides," Hanna wrote. "The evidence is overwhelming. Lead from ammunition is the primary cause of illness and death in the ... California condor."

Bullets and shotgun pellets made of lead are believed to be responsible for poisoning and killing numerous rare California condors. Birds ingest the projectiles when they feed on carcasses and entrails left behind or lost by hunters.

In July, 45 leading condor scientists and toxicologists signed a statement asserting that a "robust chain of evidence" indicates lead ammunition poisons condors.

But the NRA and a few other hunting groups believe the evidence isn't clear. They think the lead that is poisoning condors could be coming from garbage the scavengers also eat, or from the environment.

Assemblyman Pedro Nava, D-Santa Barbara, said Hanna's departure emphasizes why legislation is often needed to protect wildlife in California.

Nava is the author of Assembly Bill 821, the Ridley-Tree Condor Preservation Act, which would restrict lead ammunition in specific areas of condor habitat. It awaits the governor's signature.

"The future of this endangered species is much too important to be left in the hands of a politicized agency, as this clearly is," Nava said. "The signal that it sends to the Fish and Game commissioners is that if they support a reasonable restriction on lead ammunition, their job is in jeopardy."

Sen. Dennis Hollingsworth, R-Temecula, wrote the letter to the governor that was signed by 33 other Republicans in the Legislature. He did not respond to calls for comment from The Bee. Sen. Roy Ashburn, R-Bakersfield, also did not respond to a request for comment. His district includes much of the condor's habitat.

Attempts to reach other members of the Fish and Game Commission also were unsuccessful.
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That just made my day

Stop surfing for a minute & call the governor's office again!!!!!!!!!!!!

VETO AB 1471!!!!!!!

But thanks! Made my day too!!
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You know... I totally understand the INTENT of the ammo ban... saving the condors, yada, yada.. but wouldn't it have been more prudent to, perhaps, do something about people leaving lead injected carcasses lying around everywhere? Last I checked, ingesting too much of ANY metal is dangerous.. banning lead ammo isn't solving anything. . . Not sure on the practicality on that (since I'm NOT a hunter) but it's still worth considering over potentially banning hunting and all sorts of ammunition.
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This is the same flimsy chain of 'evidence' that has led the government to charge Cheveron $10million for 'global warming offsets'.

Correlation does NOT equal causation! Sloppy science kills, you know how to do it right.
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If Arnie doesn't sign this, you can be sure it will be a recurring campaign soundbite in his campaign against Boxer for the Senate. That will hurt him across the political spectrum. Is it worth risking having Senator Boxer for another 6 year term?
Naaah. This is small-potatoes politics. No one cares about a friggin' condor that much, and if we allow the infrastructure of this bill to get in in any form it'll be patched and amended into bad form in years hence.

Other issues will be in play in that election instead.

It's good we can put a (politically) dead body on the table, though. That's some nice flag wavin'.
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This is the same flimsy chain of 'evidence' that has led the government to charge Cheveron $10million for 'global warming offsets'.

Correlation does NOT equal causation! Sloppy science kills, you know how to do it right.

If I was the CEO of Chevron, I'd shut down operations if they tried to charge me a $10 million "global warming BS" fee.

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