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Old 07-02-2020, 7:57 AM
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Was moving stuff around trying tote things sorted out and came across these:
Three Cattaraugus 225Q knives from WW 2 and a old Puma not sure of model does say Made in Germany.



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Old 07-02-2020, 8:01 AM
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Nice,, that old Puma looks awesome !
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Nice,, that old Puma looks awesome !
From what I can find it's date code is 2nd quarter (April) 1966 sheath is ordinal but no box.
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Old 07-02-2020, 9:38 AM
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Nice find!
I'm a big fan of the Cattaraugus 225Q knives, sometimes called quartermaster's knives, although World War II Army records proved that so many were ordered that it obviously more than just army quartermasters who received them. If you held one you know how thick the blade is and it's my belief they were often used to open ammo crates and do other manual work other than just cutting things.

The one I have is built like a Russian tank, it's thick and heavy and I don't see how you could ever break it even if you were using it as a pry bar opening wooden crates in a hurry. And the pommel is built with just as sturdy construction, so that it could be used as a hammer, maybe to hammer in tent pegs into the ground or whatever a soldier might need a hammer for.

Yours have the correct left side mounted sheaths.
For a military man who might have a 1911 or other pistol on his right side it would be better to have the knife on his belt's left side for a little bit of balance.

Here is a great website for all combat knives and you could even look up the other one you found ( if you go to their main page) and they've listed the value of Cattaraugus knives /Quartermaster knives in good shape at around $100 and that was back when they last updated it in 2016....

http://quanonline.com/military/milit...edge/catag.php


Also this is the main page if anyone find any type of military knife you can go to the reference section (on the top right-hand side of this page) and use the drop-down box once you know what country the knife in question is from and to any other members out there reading this even if the knife you have found looks homemade it still might have value because there were lots of men making their own knives, sometimes on the ships as they were going oversees the battle. Some examples are also on this website below.

http://www.quanonline.com/military/m...tingknife.php#


I'm not suggesting you ever sell them though because mine has become my favorite knife of my entire life. Not only do you have the history of its strong service through World War II and the probability that it served our country it's also a great survival knife that can take a beating again and again.

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I was thinking the Puma but now not so sure found a great Puma site but no luck identifying it anybody know model name?

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^ The Puma one isn't a World War II military issue knife of course and I thought it might be a Puma knife "White Hunter" model with wood grips but the blade shape doesn't exactly match up...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Puma-White-...-/113594528143


And neither does their Puma "Elk knife" (below) so maybe it was a model with a blade shape that was discontinued or your knife has been reshaped.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Sta...-/324182207858

Either way it looks like those vintage Puma Knives have high value...

So whatever it is, Nice find!

I'm sure some specialist in knives, here on Calguns, might be able to give you a better guess at what it is.

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The picture of the Puma is a little fuzzy but it looks like a White Hunter. Might have to re-name it to Hunter
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Sent a picture to Classic Puma via MSG he thinks it was a White Hunter and somewhere along the line the tip portion was reground/reshaped.
This knife and the other three were my fathers he'd be 102 now.
I may sell the tree Cattaurgus 225Q's blades should polish up fine, leather washer handles maybe some better than others.
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If I were you I would keep at least one of them but if you are passing them on I'm sure the buyer will appreciate the fact that they are getting a functional piece of U.S. military World War II history and an amazing heavy duty knife, that can still be used without fear of it breaking, at the same time.

Yes, they do polish up very nicely and there are some videos on YouTube about restoring that knife in particular. But I would just do the minimum to make it sharp and functioning yet leave the history of the "been there done that" war zone look wear-and-tear attached, if it was mine.

Their original handle is made in the old time way of leather discs stacked on top of each other, then the outside is polished and in a lot of original condition examples I've seen a few of the middle of leather discs/in the middle of the handle area are left in a rough textured, almost like a hard suede condition rather than the smooth leather of the rest of the hand. I think it's either to give it a better grip in your hand if the knife gets wet or bloody and it also lets you know you have the knife balanced in the middle of your hand just by feeling the rough area.

Also if the guard are pommel are slightly loose (which usually isn't the case for those knives because they were built so well but it's still a good trick to know if you don't want to take your entire knife apart) you can take a very strong piece of black thread try to wrap it is tightly around the area between the leather disc and the guard, or if the looseness is at the other end you wrap the thread between leather disks and the pommel in such a way that it tightens up that area and stops any wiggle/ movement of the knive's guard or pommel.
Just use enough thread to stop the movement and then tie a knot and cut the end while trying to tuck it into the gap so it is not seen.

Please forgive my ramblings here but I really appreciate what this knife has been through and how everyone could have a piece of functioning US World War II military history for not a lot of money.

So congratulations to you And to whoever manages to pick one up.

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The Puma is a White Hunter also known as the Shikari.
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The Puma is a White Hunter also known as the Shikari.
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Few more thing from the table box.



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