Contra Costa

[325inthe510]

Originally Posted by Vagabond

Yes, an owb holster is needed for qualification.

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Thank you!

[tjp123]

Originally Posted by ARFrog

Attachment 1155691

Shortly after 5 PM today, I received an E-mail from Cristina at the Sheriff's office indicating that my application had been approved. I have to admit, I was not expecting the approval for another month or more. So, I am a "happier" camper than previously.

For those keeping track, my timeline is as follows:

1.) 08/17/2022 - application submitted by E-mail (Note: 90 days would be 11/14/2022)

2.) Livescan and fingerprints done on 08/26/2022
- CA background completed - 08/31/2022
- FBI background cleared on 08/26/2022
- Firearms background cleared on 09/02/2022

3.) Interview - N/A

4.) 02/23/2023 -training completed with Paladin Tactical US. Documentation hand carried to Sheriff's office and E-mailed on 02/24/2023

5.) received application approval E-mail on 03/24/2023

6.) Range qualification - TBD

7.) Permit issuance - TBD


Unfortunately, my approval letter appeared to be a boilerplate document and indicated that I needed to take a training class and supply appropriate materials before I could move forward with range qualification. Since it is after business hours I have sent in a third set of documentation and hopefully they will call me on Monday to schedule the range qualification date.

Glad to see September cleared live scan on qual.

[Qwertyman]

Originally Posted by Vagabond

Yes, an owb holster is needed for qualification.

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I?d like to clarify this is not accurate. The RO at the Coco Sheriff?s shooting range made a point to highlight how neat he thought my molded kydex OWB holster was - and I told him it was the cheapest thing I could find on Amazon so I could meet their OWB requirements and he laughed and clarified. You do NOT need an OWB holster for qualification - you need a HIP mounted holster (read the instructions) and he made it very clear an IWB at 3 o?clock was perfectly acceptable. They don?t allow appendix or past 3 o?clock as he said ?I don?t want to see anyone shoot their balls off, or have their muzzle passing by another qualifier when they?re clearing their holster and presenting.?

Seems reasonable.

[Casoobaru]

All you conta costa guys, I know this is CCW forum but thought you might want to know. This person had their cats stolen, but upon reviewing the camera footage the thief was aiming at their front door incase they came outside. Don't open your door if you hear a sawzall. Suppose to be Martinez by the highschool not sure of the road.

[WithinReason]

Terrible!

[XDJYo]

Originally Posted by Casoobaru

All you conta costa guys, I know this is CCW forum but thought you might want to know. This person had their cats stolen, but upon reviewing the camera footage the thief was aiming at their front door incase they came outside. Don't open your door if you hear a sawzall. Suppose to be Martinez by the highschool not sure of the road.

What the actual crap? This is my hood. Regular cat, take them, I don?t care. Catalytic converter I care about!!! Scumbag. Glad I park both my cars inside.


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[ForgeSST]

Originally Posted by Casoobaru

All you conta costa guys, I know this is CCW forum but thought you might want to know. This person had their cats stolen, but upon reviewing the camera footage the thief was aiming at their front door incase they came outside. Don't open your door if you hear a sawzall. Suppose to be Martinez by the highschool not sure of the road.

They better be wearing body armor if they come out our way with that shizzel.

[cire raeb]

Originally Posted by Casoobaru

All you conta costa guys, I know this is CCW forum but thought you might want to know. This person had their cats stolen, but upon reviewing the camera footage the thief was aiming at their front door incase they came outside. Don't open your door if you hear a sawzall. Suppose to be Martinez by the highschool not sure of the road.

In a scenario like this, can we shoot and claim self-defense?

[rrr70]

Originally Posted by cire raeb

In a scenario like this, can we shoot and claim self-defense?

You coming outside with gun in hand? I don?t think so.

[Kvannett]

Originally Posted by Qwertyman

I?d like to clarify this is not accurate. The RO at the Coco Sheriff?s shooting range made a point to highlight how neat he thought my molded kydex OWB holster was - and I told him it was the cheapest thing I could find on Amazon so I could meet their OWB requirements and he laughed and clarified. You do NOT need an OWB holster for qualification - you need a HIP mounted holster (read the instructions) and he made it very clear an IWB at 3 o?clock was perfectly acceptable. They don?t allow appendix or past 3 o?clock as he said ?I don?t want to see anyone shoot their balls off, or have their muzzle passing by another qualifier when they?re clearing their holster and presenting.?

Seems reasonable.

Can confirm on this as well.

[Vagabond]

Originally Posted by Casoobaru

All you conta costa guys, I know this is CCW forum but thought you might want to know. This person had their cats stolen, but upon reviewing the camera footage the thief was aiming at their front door incase they came outside. Don't open your door if you hear a sawzall. Suppose to be Martinez by the highschool not sure of the road.

Where did you come across this?

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[vandal]

Definitely would spend more in legal fees than the cost of replacing a catalytic converter.

Originally Posted by rrr70

You coming outside with gun in hand? I don?t think so.

[Matthewbadd]

Originally Posted by Vagabond

Where did you come across this?

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My gf said that?s been on fb Martinez rants and raves since it happened

[Matthewbadd]

I don’t think Martinez offers a ccw process

[serper3]

Originally Posted by Matthewbadd

My gf said that?s been on fb Martinez rants and raves since it happened

I saw this also on there.

more reason to NOT come outside if you think something bad is going on. If you do go outside, there are pretty much no good options or outcomes.

[WithinReason]

Originally Posted by serper3

I saw this also on there.

more reason to NOT come outside if you think something bad is going on. If you do go outside, there are pretty much no good options or outcomes.

Agreed.

[Ron Jeremey]

I hope everyone here remembers that any social media post you make will become evidence in your trial if you are ever involved in a shooting. Don't think that because you are behind a "handle" that the Sheriff, DA, DOJ, etc. don't know exactly who you are.
Getting off my soapbox now and going back to my regularly scheduled phuckery.

[Casoobaru]

Originally Posted by Vagabond

Where did you come across this?

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It was posted up on nextdoor and came from a local facebook group.

[Bikercamper]

I know there are no modifications allowed for CCW pistols but wondering if a Glock Factory extended mag release and grip tape is considered modifications that would cause a problem at the qual.

Thanks

[NorCalBusa]

Originally Posted by Bikercamper

I know there are no modifications allowed for CCW pistols but wondering if a Glock Factory extended mag release and grip tape is considered modifications that would cause a problem at the qual.

Thanks

Knowing it "may" be a thing, I'd go to qual with a bone stock pistola and not make a peep about mods. Make informed changes after your permit is in hand.

The less you say, the more you can do.

[vandal]

Factory parts seem to be OK, but you may get a lecture on the risk/reward of an extended mag release. And to be fair you don't see many cases of non-LEOs reloading in defensive encounters. But if you use that same gun for say, competition... it could make sense.

Grip modifications have always been allowed.

Originally Posted by Bikercamper

I know there are no modifications allowed for CCW pistols but wondering if a Glock Factory extended mag release and grip tape is considered modifications that would cause a problem at the qual.

Thanks

[Gun Kraft]

Originally Posted by Bikercamper

I know there are no modifications allowed for CCW pistols but wondering if a Glock Factory extended mag release and grip tape is considered modifications

"I know I can't change any parts but can I change this part?"

Given Contra Costa considers attaching a weaponlight an unacceptable modification, I would hazard they consider attaching grip tape a modification as well. But when in doubt ask them directly.

As for any physical part of the firearm, it has to be exactly as it came from the factory except to replace iron sights with other iron sights. Did your Glock come from the factory with an extended mag release installed? It doesn't matter if any other makes/models came stock with that part, did your gun come stock with it? If the answer is no then recognize what you're asking is not allowed per Contra Costa's policy.

[Qwertyman]

Originally Posted by Bikercamper

I know there are no modifications allowed for CCW pistols but wondering if a Glock Factory extended mag release and grip tape is considered modifications that would cause a problem at the qual.

Thanks

Grip tape is ok - both my guns had it, both were inspected by the range officer who certified us (very cool guy btw) and there was zero issue. Same for my Pearce pinky extensions on the mags. He and I even had a discussion about it, as I only added both specifically because it was raining like crazy the day I qualified and I?ve never pulled from a holster and shot rapid fire in the rain.

That said - an extended MAG RELEASE however is NOT permitted and is very clearly outlined in the list of unacceptable modifications.

I would strongly encourage you bring the pistol to qualify EXACTLY as you intend on carrying it. When you do so, while you?re at the range to qual - take a picture and a short video of your guns (which will be time stamped and GPS tagged) to show the exact state of the gun. If you are ever involved in a self defense scenario - and they give you ANY grief about not being covered by the permit - you?ll have a checkmate with the video/photo evidence as the range officer would have seen and inspected the gun in that state, approved it and allowed you to qualify with it.

Again - the range officer is a solid dude. Follow the rules, be safe and act like a gentleman/woman and you?ll make a fast friend with him.

Hope this helps,

[Matthewbadd]

what about the 365s modularity? have xlromeo but ordered a rear sight plate and xl10 rn mag specifically for contra costa. although at home it usually has an sas slide and 10 rn flushfit mag. will the range master want to see the case and be concerned with "xl romeo" as the description?

[Qwertyman]

Originally Posted by Matthewbadd

what about the 365s modularity? have xlromeo but ordered a rear sight plate and xl10 rn mag specifically for contra costa. although at home it usually has an sas slide and 10 rn flushfit mag. will the range master want to see the case and be concerned with "xl romeo" as the description?

No - he definitely isn?t going to ask to see the case the gun comes in, etc. That said - I absolutely would not put that gun on my permit unless you plan to carry it in its stock form. What you do is up to you though. The serial number of that gun is going to correspond to a very specific model and if you ever have to present the firearm to an officer who requests to inspect it, or have to use it in a defense situation - you absolutely do not want the configuration to be non-compliant.

What you can get away with, and what you choose to do are entirely up to you. Carrying a gun around in public is a tremendous responsibility, and we live in a state where the vast majority of the civilian population is hostile to such activity let alone police/govt/politicians/most judges. Doing absolutely anything that isn?t in complete and utter compliance with the state and local regulations FOR ME is irresponsible, and inviting recourse that could be potentially life altering in a negative manner. I am a gun geek as much as anyone here - but when it comes to carry guns, I?m going with functional - but as boring, as close to stock as possible (just sights, tape and mag pinky) and never carrying more than 10 round mags. Anything sexy or souped up, I?ll keep as a range toy. I know folks who after they qualified, re-installed their apex triggers, mag release extensions, tossed in their 15 round mags, etc. I think that is incredibly irresponsible and asking for trouble (imagine a non-gun friendly jury hearing a DA repeat ?high capacity magazines? over and over and talking about illegal modifications they don?t understand).

All you have to do is look at just how illogical most gun laws are, and who wrote, approved and voted for them to realize - you never want to be in a situation where you have to talk to ANYONE about justifications for anything firearm related whether it be a police officer, issuing authority, judge or jury - because as logical as it may seem to you - or even as legal as ?freedom week? may have been, do you really want to risk your freedom, your ability to continue to carry, and your spotless criminal record over some silly gun modifications, standard capacity magazines, etc? You certainly might - and I won?t judge you for it.

I?ve done the research, and I know there?s a near zero chance I?ll ever need to pull out my CCW, let alone use it. For me, that means trying to give myself some additional minute edge with a standard cap mag, mag release extension, different slide than stock or whatever unapproved modification, non-CA friendly doodad or questionable change feels grossly irresponsible. That doesn?t mean I don?t think we should not be able to carry whatever we want - but I do think despite it being a constitutional right, we should be grateful we?re finally able to carry in California - and we should take the responsibility as seriously as possible, follow the law to an absolute T, and give them ZERO reason to show how/why we shouldn?t have this right. We live in an exciting time as a gun owner in California - and it?s quite clear the CA government is going to do whatever they can to infringe upon this right - and I don?t want myself - or anyone else giving them any figurative ammo.

I?ll get off my soapbox - but I think it?s really important to stress the difference between a range toy, and a firearm you?re going to carry around in public and have a higher probability of 1. It being used and 2. Having to surrender it for inspection at the request of any police officer you may interact with. This is not a rant at you - but if you?re asking for opinions - mine is to get a different carry gun and run it in full compliance with the county?s requirements. Just cause you can get it by the RO, doesn?t guarantee it?s compliant, especially if you?re going to change the upper after the qual, or it isn?t going to match the stock configuration. It is very clear in the text - no slide modifications, and having an entirely different upper is absolutely a modification that the range officer wouldn?t have a duty to catch - but could get you hosed two ways to Sunday by the district attorney if you had to actually use the gun in self defense.

My parting rant: If you are responsible enough and have a clean enough record to get a CCW, you should follow the rules and keep it that way. On the same token, if you?re concerned enough about your safety to assume the liability and discomfort of toting around a pistol - you should be equally concerned about the narrative a district attorney will create (which is their job) to prosecute you if you ever have to use it, or are asked by a police officer you interact with to allow them to inspect it (traffic violation, etc) and they catch you. If you don?t think they?ll be looking to make examples, then we live in different worlds. Like everything in life, you create your own path.

[vandal]

Qualified with my P365XL with Wilson Combat grip frame. Rangemaster specifically said "that's neat... and you're allowed to change the grips so OK."

Another shooter had skateboard tape all over his grips. No issue. The gun was also lacking a safe decocker and was totally unreliable, but still... not disqualified.

In past qualifications we have been told it is acceptable to change Glock connectors as long as it is a factory Glock part.

There is zero logic to the feature restrictions. Things that potentially reduce the likelihood of a bad shoot (weapon lights, modern sighting systems) are not approved? This should be highlighted in press coverage.

If it's legal and the permit holder is comfortable with it and can qualify with it, then there should be no additional barriers.

Originally Posted by Qwertyman

That said - I absolutely would not put that gun on my permit unless you plan to carry it in its stock form.

[WithinReason]

Originally Posted by Qwertyman

No - he definitely isn?t going to ask to see the case the gun comes in, etc. That said - I absolutely would not put that gun on my permit unless you plan to carry it in its stock form. What you do is up to you though. The serial number of that gun is going to correspond to a very specific model and if you ever have to present the firearm to an officer who requests to inspect it, or have to use it in a defense situation - you absolutely do not want the configuration to be non-compliant.

What you can get away with, and what you choose to do are entirely up to you. Carrying a gun around in public is a tremendous responsibility, and we live in a state where the vast majority of the civilian population is hostile to such activity let alone police/govt/politicians/most judges. Doing absolutely anything that isn?t in complete and utter compliance with the state and local regulations FOR ME is irresponsible, and inviting recourse that could be potentially life altering in a negative manner. I am a gun geek as much as anyone here - but when it comes to carry guns, I?m going with functional - but as boring, as close to stock as possible (just sights, tape and mag pinky) and never carrying more than 10 round mags. Anything sexy or souped up, I?ll keep as a range toy. I know folks who after they qualified, re-installed their apex triggers, mag release extensions, tossed in their 15 round mags, etc. I think that is incredibly irresponsible and asking for trouble (imagine a non-gun friendly jury hearing a DA repeat ?high capacity magazines? over and over and talking about illegal modifications they don?t understand).

All you have to do is look at just how illogical most gun laws are, and who wrote, approved and voted for them to realize - you never want to be in a situation where you have to talk to ANYONE about justifications for anything firearm related whether it be a police officer, issuing authority, judge or jury - because as logical as it may seem to you - or even as legal as ?freedom week? may have been, do you really want to risk your freedom, your ability to continue to carry, and your spotless criminal record over some silly gun modifications, standard capacity magazines, etc? You certainly might - and I won?t judge you for it.

I?ve done the research, and I know there?s a near zero chance I?ll ever need to pull out my CCW, let alone use it. For me, that means trying to give myself some additional minute edge with a standard cap mag, mag release extension, different slide than stock or whatever unapproved modification, non-CA friendly doodad or questionable change feels grossly irresponsible. That doesn?t mean I don?t think we should not be able to carry whatever we want - but I do think despite it being a constitutional right, we should be grateful we?re finally able to carry in California - and we should take the responsibility as seriously as possible, follow the law to an absolute T, and give them ZERO reason to show how/why we shouldn?t have this right. We live in an exciting time as a gun owner in California - and it?s quite clear the CA government is going to do whatever they can to infringe upon this right - and I don?t want myself - or anyone else giving them any figurative ammo.

I?ll get off my soapbox - but I think it?s really important to stress the difference between a range toy, and a firearm you?re going to carry around in public and have a higher probability of 1. It being used and 2. Having to surrender it for inspection at the request of any police officer you may interact with. This is not a rant at you - but if you?re asking for opinions - mine is to get a different carry gun and run it in full compliance with the county?s requirements. Just cause you can get it by the RO, doesn?t guarantee it?s compliant, especially if you?re going to change the upper after the qual, or it isn?t going to match the stock configuration. It is very clear in the text - no slide modifications, and having an entirely different upper is absolutely a modification that the range officer wouldn?t have a duty to catch - but could get you hosed two ways to Sunday by the district attorney if you had to actually use the gun in self defense.

My parting rant: If you are responsible enough and have a clean enough record to get a CCW, you should follow the rules and keep it that way. On the same token, if you?re concerned enough about your safety to assume the liability and discomfort of toting around a pistol - you should be equally concerned about the narrative a district attorney will create (which is their job) to prosecute you if you ever have to use it, or are asked by a police officer you interact with to allow them to inspect it (traffic violation, etc) and they catch you. If you don?t think they?ll be looking to make examples, then we live in different worlds. Like everything in life, you create your own path.

I agree with these sentiments. At the same time, we are not the ultimate authorities. If you have a question, my suggestion is to ask the IA, and get a response in writing (email).

[Qwertyman]

Originally Posted by WithinReason

I agree with these sentiments. At the same time, we are not the ultimate authorities. If you have a question, my suggestion is to ask the IA, and get a response in writing (email).

I agree - but it’s important to note how our legal system works, it’s up to the court to interpret the definition of the law, not the range master. Unless you have something specific to your gun/situation in writing from the Sheriff on letterhead I wouldn’t feel comfortable. If you were in court a year or two from now - would you rely on the range master or one of the office staff coming in to testify? Even then, if the DA asked the sheriff at that time if he felt it was compliant and the Sheriff said no, you’re hosed. If the office staff responding to your email is I’ll informed, it is not an adequate defense that will necessarily stand in court.

I’ve dealt with the legal system for civil matters and I’ve learned (the hard way) to leave no stone unturned and to eliminate all potential angles I have control over.

Again - everyone has to determine the amount of risk they’re willing to accept. I can assure you though, you’ll never regret following the wording of the law TOO closely.

[Jonty78]

Originally Posted by bonzai272

Damn, sounds like a handful got the call to schedule qualification. I sadly did not get the call yet.

Those that did, mind sharing when you submitted your 8hr class docs to them so I can gauge how far out I am? I sent mine in about 4 weeks ago.

I had my CCW class on 3/14, submitted paperwork the same day. My qual is 4/7.

[Jonty78]

Originally Posted by Kyle_LLRC

Just got a call to schedule a day to do fingerprinting and payment for the permit, earliest available for me was next week on the 30th but unfortunately on vacation that week so the next available date was 4th of next month. One thing I forgot to ask was if I'd be receiving permit that same day. Anyways should also free up a spot for someone that wants to get their permit sooner on the 30th.

Current Timeline:
(07/25/22): Sent email with PDF scan of application to the email listed on website.
(07/27/22): Got an email back saying they couldn't open it (make sure the pdf you send is under 25MB in size) Fixed the issue and resent email the same day.
(07/28/22): Got another email back with a PDF on starting the live scan process.
(12/13/22): Received a call from the Contra Costa Sheriff Office regarding my application that I unfortunately missed.
(12/28/22): Got a response back that they are doing a background check to determine if I needed an interview.
(01/20/23): Received email about application being approved by the sheriff and are wafting for the proof of training.
(01/24/23): Went through CCW training with Paladin Tactical. Highly recommend going through them for training, Dan and Barry broke down different scenarios really well with all the experience they have. Also emailed the proof of training and anything else required the same day.
(01/31/23): Got my qualification day scheduled for 2/10/23.
(02/10/23): Passed qualification.
(03/23/23): Received call to seclude fingerprinting and photo for 4/04/23.

Here's a question that may have already been answered. Before they made changes to the process, the fees were $100 for county fees plus $60 for training classes. Did they remove the $60 for the training since we all had to do 3rd party training? Is the cost now only $100 in county fees?

[Vagabond]

Originally Posted by Jonty78

Here's a question that may have already been answered. Before they made changes to the process, the fees were $100 for county fees plus $60 for training classes. Did they remove the $60 for the training since we all had to do 3rd party training? Is the cost now only $100 in county fees?

No. I was told it is still $160.

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[JD3000]

Hi All,

I've been mostly lurking in this thread, but want to thank you all for your help. I am happy to report that I went into today for my fingerprinting, photo, and fee payment and received my CCW Permit at the same appt (~10 min for them to print out my card with my photo).

Total timeline: 250 days from initial application.

I've also been curious about allowable additions to my CCW firearms so I'm waiting on a response from the SO on rubber grips and pinky mag extensions. I know some of you are in the camp of you'd rather not know and only want to find out if/when something happens. However, I lean more towards - I'd rather be 100% compliant in the event something happens. Feel free to PM me in a week or so if you're interested in what the SO says and I'll let you know after I hear back.

[tjp123]

Originally Posted by JD3000

Hi All,

I've been mostly lurking in this thread, but want to thank you all for your help. I am happy to report that I went into today for my fingerprinting, photo, and fee payment and received my CCW Permit at the same appt (~10 min for them to print out my card with my photo).

Total timeline: 250 days from initial application.

I've also been curious about allowable additions to my CCW firearms so I'm waiting on a response from the SO on rubber grips and pinky mag extensions. I know some of you are in the camp of you'd rather not know and only want to find out if/when something happens. However, I lean more towards - I'd rather be 100% compliant in the event something happens. Feel free to PM me in a week or so if you're interested in what the SO says and I'll let you know after I hear back.

Awesome news on the same day printing. May I ask when your livescan cleared?

[Vagabond]

I just signed and paid and had my photo taken and picked up my permit. I applied on the day of the Bruen decision, cleared livescan on 8/10. 280 days since my application was originally sent. 9 months and 7 days. I could have had a baby in the time it took to get the permit.

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[Richmonder]

Had my 1pm appointment for picture/fingerprint. Was also given my permit on the spot.

Application delivered: 6/28
Livescan cleared: 8/13

[DonJutton]

Congratulations to everyone who has their permit in hand. Glad to see they are printing it during the appointment, vs. adding another call+pickup to the process.

[WithinReason]

Congratulations to all who received their permits today! Great job sticking with the process.

[serper3]

Picked up my permit today also. 272 days since my app was delivered.

Thanks to everyone for sharing your experiences, etc.

Happy to see my permit is effective today.

Letter I received says to contact sheriff within 45-60 days of expiration. I will do so much sooner, just in case. hope the process by then will be much smoother.

my timeline

06/30/22 Application delivered via USPS
08/11/22 Cleared livescan
01/20/23 Notified my application has been approved
01/23/23 Emailed proof of class completioned
01/24/23 Contacted via phone to schedule qual
02/10/23 Qual
03/23/23 Contacted via phone to fingerprint and pay fees on 03/29
03/29/23 Picked up permit

[WithinReason]

Congratulations!