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A new political party?

Can’t wait to see what government agency will take the lead in stopping it.

IRS again?

FBI with a SPECIAL FISA warrant?

ATF trying to sell illegal guns to the party in a fast and furious way?

CIA disinformation through the MSM?

Obozo could teach Biden how to drone strike Americans without due process?

The future in America is bright with opportunities.
I believe these government agencies along with their media sycophants are promoting the 3rd party.
Then they do just like you said and democrats swing into action and win w/o even needing to cheat, because the 3rd party siphons off GOP votes.
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The Republican Party has changed. Trump helped change it for the better. The losers in it that would sell out our gun rights have been easily identified as never Trumpets like chenny. We can root them out, make the party Great again, and use it to defeat the socialist demonic rats.
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The Republican Party has changed. Trump helped change it for the better. The losers in it that would sell out our gun rights have been easily identified as never Trumpets like chenny. We can root them out, make the party Great again, and use it to defeat the socialist demonic rats.
Trump turned my Republican party into a buncha conspiracy theorist crazies who actually think that somehow Trump didn't lose the election all by himself.

A party that IS JUST AS BAD as those on the left that we vilify on this board for NOT AGREEING 100% WITH WHAT YOU SAY.

So, end result is that I am leaving the party. I ain't joining the commies, but I am distancing myself from a party that is increasingly adopting fringe QAnon theories.

In 2024, I sincerely hope the party does not nominate another MAGA type in the mold of Trump. Cuz he's not getting my vote, cuz he helped destroy the republican party.

Like it or not, a large chunk of the current republican party has MY philosophy, or some variation of it: "I want married lesbian abortion doctors to be able to defend their abortion clinics with AR15s and not lose clientele because one of them said the n-word 10 years ago".

If you think the republican party can withstand that exodus of RINOs like me and still win on the national level, fine. But I think you can't, and the democrats are gonna be in power for a LONG time. But by all means, keep clinging onto this stolen election and Jewish space laser stuff.
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Lifetime republican here. In my mind, the Republican Party as a "brand", if you will, is done. For a huge number of people, it is a turn-off, a no-go, a parriah. They will never vote republican, ever. A lifetime of propaganda by the left has effectively left the party crippled.
If 2/3rds of republicans, 1/3rd of democrats and 1/2 of the independents joined a new rebranded party without all the baggage, without all the RINOs, all the appeasement, corruption, etc. it would be a force to deal with. People are tired of binary choices.
It is not unheard of in the corporate world for a company to rebrand itself, why not a political party.
I think you have your ratio of Republicans reversed. What you call RINOs is probably actually about 2/3 of the party. MOST people have nuanced views on different issues and don't wholly conform to the "Standard" democrat or republican platform.

Everyone has it wrong. There is the great silent majority of MIDDLE OF THE ROAD folks who could probably be swayed over to one party or the other if that party would just stop being so fricking shrill about their pet causes.

Republicans would get a LOT more folks on their side if they focused on law and order, first amendment, and the economy, and just bloody abandoned their abortion lost cause and accepted that undocumented people are here to stay, and the best thing to do is put those people on a path to legitimacy. But, keep on yammering about RIGHT TO LIFE and NO AMNESTY and see how far that gets you in this state and on the national stage.
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I think you have your ratio of Republicans reversed. What you call RINOs is probably actually about 2/3 of the party. MOST people have nuanced views on different issues and don't wholly conform to the "Standard" democrat or republican platform.

Everyone has it wrong. There is the great silent majority of MIDDLE OF THE ROAD folks who could probably be swayed over to one party or the other if that party would just stop being so fricking shrill about their pet causes.

Republicans would get a LOT more folks on their side if they focused on law and order, first amendment, and the economy, and just bloody abandoned their abortion lost cause and accepted that undocumented people are here to stay, and the best thing to do is put those people on a path to legitimacy. But, keep on yammering about RIGHT TO LIFE and NO AMNESTY and see how far that gets you in this state and on the national stage.
The Republican Party also loses votes because of our steadfast support for RKBA . Maybe if the GOP joined the democrats in their quest to eliminate guns, we could pick ups few more on the fence voters.

Actually there is NOTHING the GOP can do to get more democrat voters . The right. to life groups make up 20% of the GOP and they are reliable voters, who vote single issue as are the gun people .

Our problem in California stems directly from these Chicken S...., Cowardly 3rd party registration guys and gals. Those who are afraid to embrace our republican label.

Its a fact the Republican Party now controls 35 state governments and won POTUS in a landslide !
These republican states have people who reject the government school ,TV, NYTimes, CIA propaganda mouth pieces.

Comeonman lets all register and support the GOP!
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I think you have your ratio of Republicans reversed. What you call RINOs is probably actually about 2/3 of the party. MOST people have nuanced views on different issues and don't wholly conform to the "Standard" democrat or republican platform.

Everyone has it wrong. There is the great silent majority of MIDDLE OF THE ROAD folks who could probably be swayed over to one party or the other if that party would just stop being so fricking shrill about their pet causes.

Republicans would get a LOT more folks on their side if they focused on law and order, first amendment, and the economy, and just bloody abandoned their abortion lost cause and accepted that undocumented people are here to stay, and the best thing to do is put those people on a path to legitimacy. But, keep on yammering about RIGHT TO LIFE and NO AMNESTY and see how far that gets you in this state and on the national stage.
If I read what you are saying correctly, I think we almost agree on the 2/3rds number. Trump had "yuge" support from the base. Undeniable. My assessment is that that base support is completely fed-up with the rank-and-file republicans in power. They loved Trump's message, his actions and his backbone. Although it must be said that the press has lately been trying to frame Trump's supporters as crazy people infatuated with him as some sort of cult following. But I do believe the silent majority were **** on this past election and lots of people are looking for alternatives.
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I believe these government agencies along with their media sycophants are promoting the 3rd party.
Then they do just like you said and democrats swing into action and win w/o even needing to cheat, because the 3rd party siphons off GOP votes.
Yes. Remember, the CCP in "Red" China, as yes I call them what they really are and always have been, fomented unrest in Hong Kong through agent agitators so they could get the excuse for martial law and blatant takeover in violation of a treaty they signed.

Here on our own soil, the FBI (I have no doubt under the orders of Obama which is why Hillary deleted 30,000 emails when it was known he used her server under an alias), used a paid-for political-campaign-created fictional document as actual evidence of a crime by DJ Trump and got the FISA court to authorize surveillance on his campaign.

The Democrats now directly, again, control the powerful apparatus of the US government (the DOJ. FBI, IRS, DHS, etc., etc.) and they have already shown they are eager to use it against conservatives and the opposing party.

Just how do you think a nascent party would survive that when the Tea Party did not?
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I think you have your ratio of Republicans reversed. and accepted that undocumented people are here to stay, and the best thing to do is put those people on a path to legitimacy. But, keep on yammering about RIGHT TO LIFE and NO AMNESTY and see how far that gets you in this state and on the national stage.
So basically just be a Democrap.

**** the stage.....we need to take our country back.
Ya'all can wait til it's Venezuela'ed all to hell or we can unite now and get it done now.
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accepted that undocumented people are here to stay
There are at least 11 million ILLEGAL ALIENS (BS to your "undocumented" euphemism) and Biden wants them citizens to vote. Add 11 million Democrat votes and this nation will be a super-majority socialist/Marxist Democrat nation for a 100 years.
Either your are a brain-washed fool, an ignorant dupe, or a double-agent for the Democrats because what you advocate is the death of this constitutional republic and our Bill of Rights. Using the word "undocumented" gave you up. Fess up.
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There are at least 11 million ILLEGAL ALIENS (BS to your "undocumented" euphemism) and Biden wants them citizens to vote. Add 11 million Democrat votes and this nation will be a super-majority socialist/Marxist Democrat nation for a 100 years.
Either your are a brain-washed fool, an ignorant dupe, or a double-agent for the Democrats because what you advocate is the death of this constitutional republic and our Bill of Rights. Using the word "undocumented" gave you up. Fess up.
THAT IS WHY THE REPUBLICANS NEED TO GET AHEAD OF THIS AND GET THOSE 11M PEOPLE ON THEIR SIDE. Republicans don't have, and WILL NEVER HAVE, the momentum to deport them all. Nor is it entirely moral to deport the parents of the anchor babies, who, like it or not, are US CITIZENS.

Or do you not want 11m additional republican votes? Guys, these are not all ignorant drooling hicks hanging out at the Home Depot parking lot waiting for someone to hire them to paint a fence. "Duhhhhrrr, democrat let me stay I vote democrat now, duh."

If the Republicans can get ahead of this and make it theirs, then a lot of these folks will probably actually vote republican. They are EXACTLY the sort of people working jobs that the democrats impose unreasonable restrictions/regulations on. Any number of them can be turned.
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So basically just be a Democrap.

**** the stage.....we need to take our country back.
Ya'all can wait til it's Venezuela'ed all to hell or we can unite now and get it done now.
Hey, you wanna unite in some legit SMART way, I am all for it. But if you think a bunch a Qanon believing mouth breathers is the way forward for this party, then you my friend are the utter death knell of any kind of legitimate republican party.

Sorry, these issues are ONLY going to keep the republicans in the backwaters of American politics. The trend was inevitable. Trump (who I DID vote for 2x) just sped it up. Basically everything that happened after Nov 5 was the undoing of decades of republican legitimacy.
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If I read what you are saying correctly, I think we almost agree on the 2/3rds number. Trump had "yuge" support from the base. Undeniable. My assessment is that that base support is completely fed-up with the rank-and-file republicans in power. They loved Trump's message, his actions and his backbone. Although it must be said that the press has lately been trying to frame Trump's supporters as crazy people infatuated with him as some sort of cult following. But I do believe the silent majority were **** on this past election and lots of people are looking for alternatives.
I think we disagree on the 2/3. 2/3 of the Republican party is what I believe most hard core republicans would call RINOs.

Don't underestimate the number of people who, like me, held our noses and voted Trump out of utter disdain for the democrats and their idiocy. And don't underestimate the number of people who, like me, had NO IDEA the amount of crazy we were aligning ourselves with in voting for Trump.

With perfect hindsight of everything that happened after the election, I woulda voted 3rd party or just written in Mickey Mouse.

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Long time forum stalker, been involved with event organization here in the past, and managing the social media sites for a period.

With that aside, I have to ask, is it unreasonable to say that we should start our own political party?

I think our time is now, with all that has gone on with the election and many Republicans not necessarily staying on the right side. Maybe it is fair to say we need a party separate from the Republican party. These kinds of political groups take time to develop, but I think if a group of us come together and promote a party that will actually represent the people's best interest that we could make a difference, may not on the large scale right away, but closer to home and who knows, maybe one day flip California.

California has long been democratic, but it also holds some of the largest group of Republicans in America. That has to mean something. I can go on with my viewpoints of why we are where we are and even have a fair say in politics, but I believe the strongest point to be made here is that without trying we have already given up.

Let's hear the opinions, I am genuinely curious.
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I don't see California making any progress under the main primaries or the country for that matter with liberalism being in full force. I think it's fair to say the Republican party doesn't have our best interest in mind anymore.

Big changes are often made in small amounts first, like in our communities, if it wasn't Biden wouldn't be in charge right now. I also hear plenty over social media platforms about individuals never wanting to vote Republican again.

We basically need to pick our poison. Trying to create a new party is bad timing especially for California. We just flipped several seats in CA and should stay on same path for 2022 and 2024.

Remember the Tea party.

Many DemonRats will figure this out and realize orange man wasn’t all that bad after all.
We need to be heads up for deception artists and foes.

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The fact that the overwhelming majority of republicans voted to keep Chaney in her leadership position is proof positive we need a new party. The old republican party cannot be reformed. If democrats get total control it just means the country will fail sooner and we can start over sooner rather than face a death by a 1000 cuts if the republican party as it exists remains
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Trump turned my Republican party into a buncha conspiracy theorist crazies who actually think that somehow Trump didn't lose the election all by himself.
OK, you can count me among those crazies. Hopefully, this does not mean that we cannot have a civil conversation.
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A party that IS JUST AS BAD as those on the left that we vilify on this board for NOT AGREEING 100% WITH WHAT YOU SAY.
I do not deny vilifying the left. But, I never ask anyone to agree 100%. But, even if I did, how does that make me/us just as bad as a party on the left?
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So, end result is that I am leaving the party. I ain't joining the commies, but I am distancing myself from a party that is increasingly adopting fringe QAnon theories.
Quite interesting, because I left for a clearly different and apparently opposite reason. In my view the party has turned into nothing but a bunch of RINOs.
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In 2024, I sincerely hope the party does not nominate another MAGA type in the mold of Trump. Cuz he's not getting my vote, cuz he helped destroy the republican party.
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Like it or not, a large chunk of the current republican party has MY philosophy, or some variation of it: "I want married lesbian abortion doctors to be able to defend their abortion clinics with AR15s and not lose clientele because one of them said the n-word 10 years ago".
I do not understand your statement. How does the fact that a doctor is married or is a lesbian makes any difference? What is the relevancy of having used the n-word 10 years ago? I am all for defending my space with AR15s but prefer AR10s. Everyone has the right to defend their space with a modern sporting rifle.
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If you think the republican party can withstand that exodus of RINOs like me and still win on the national level, fine. But I think you can't, and the democrats are gonna be in power for a LONG time. But by all means, keep clinging onto this stolen election and Jewish space laser stuff.
So your are saying that you are a RINO? If so, please tell us just what is a RINO, because my understand is that it is a person who claims to be a Republican but is in fact a libtard/democrat. How would your exodus not help us conservatives?
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The fact that the overwhelming majority of republicans voted to keep Chaney in her leadership position is proof positive we need a new party.
I do not know about the majority, but Chaney is part of the reason that I am no longer a Republican.
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THAT IS WHY THE REPUBLICANS NEED TO GET AHEAD OF THIS AND GET THOSE 11M PEOPLE ON THEIR SIDE. Republicans don't have, and WILL NEVER HAVE, the momentum to deport them all. Nor is it entirely moral to deport the parents of the anchor babies, who, like it or not, are US CITIZENS.

Or do you not want 11m additional republican votes? Guys, these are not all ignorant drooling hicks hanging out at the Home Depot parking lot waiting for someone to hire them to paint a fence. "Duhhhhrrr, democrat let me stay I vote democrat now, duh."

If the Republicans can get ahead of this and make it theirs, then a lot of these folks will probably actually vote republican. They are EXACTLY the sort of people working jobs that the democrats impose unreasonable restrictions/regulations on. Any number of them can be turned.
You have it all wrong. Central and South america are mostly not sending their educated, their skilled: they are mostly sending their welfare cases that consumer more than they produce. These migrants need welfare and social programs to live here and that requires socialism, Venezuela-style. So they'll vote for handouts all day long. If the Republicans side with socialism, then they've become Democrats and still won't get votes because there will be no difference.

Socialism is the gateway drug to Marxism and economic collapse. Just like Crack, it feels great for a while: "you mean I get free stuff I cannot pay for from other people's work?".
Sooner or later, reality bites: the wealthy, seeing the socialist/Marxist threat to private property (their wealth) engage in capital flight and the resulting jobs and GDP loses plunge the nation into in an economic decline decimating tax revenues. The government, desperate to keep elected resorts to printing money and hyperinflations ensues until it all collapses.
Venezuela, once the star of South America due to its oil wealth even just a decade ago is a textbook example.
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Do the math. If you get 1/3 of the existing republicans to defect you'll lose. Now if you add 1/3 of the democrats whose party has now gone too far left for them you end up with 60% and a viable chance of winning.
Those dissatisfied democrats will never register as republicans but may come onboard with a new party that stands for American ideals and the Constitution.
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No party is the answer. People are sick of the 2 parties and in the middle candidates that are truly independent might get a lot of traction....

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Yes. Remember, the CCP in "Red" China, as yes I call them what they really are and always have been, fomented unrest in Hong Kong through agent agitators so they could get the excuse for martial law and blatant takeover in violation of a treaty they signed.

Here on our own soil, the FBI (I have no doubt under the orders of Obama which is why Hillary deleted 30,000 emails when it was known he used her server under an alias), used a paid-for political-campaign-created fictional document as actual evidence of a crime by DJ Trump and got the FISA court to authorize surveillance on his campaign.

The Democrats now directly, again, control the powerful apparatus of the US government (the DOJ. FBI, IRS, DHS, etc., etc.) and they have already shown they are eager to use it against conservatives and the opposing party.

Just how do you think a nascent party would survive that when the Tea Party did not?
Right Brother a 3rd party targeting GOP voters will only elect democrats! Thats why the CIA and swampers, (some on this board ) are pushing the concept to spilt our votes.

The 5th column democrats and their agencies and big media are upset we have 35 state governments where liberty still reigns.

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Do the math. If you get 1/3 of the existing republicans to defect you'll lose. Now if you add 1/3 of the democrats whose party has now gone too far left for them you end up with 60% and a viable chance of winning.
Those dissatisfied democrats will never register as republicans but may come onboard with a new party that stands for American ideals and the Constitution.
Where do you find 1/3 of democrats who condemn anything that screwball party has done ?
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No party is the answer. People are sick of the 2 parties and in the middle candidates that are truly independent might get a lot of traction....

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A party with ZERO campaign apparatus, Zero elected officials, ZERO seats anywhere and you think that can win ?
Sounds like some material for late nightTV where I suspect you spend many hours being entertained !

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Jo Jorgensen was the Libertarian presidential candidate in 2020. She got about 1% of the popular vote.

If those who voted for her had instead voted for Trump or Biden, whomever most closely reflected their beliefs, I'm confident nearly all the votes would have gone to Trump, and he would have won. Very few Libertairians would have supported Biden.

It's fine to vote for a third party candidate when an election result is assured, but in the case of close elections, it's self defeating. Vote for the major party candidate closest to your beliefs.

We have GOT to get rid of the Democrat super-majority here in California. In my opinion, ANY Republican is better than ANY Democrat
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Jo Jorgensen was the Libertarian presidential candidate in 2020. She got about 1% of the popular vote.

If those who voted for her had instead voted for Trump or Biden, whomever most closely reflected their beliefs, I'm confident nearly all the votes would have gone to Trump, and he would have won. Very few Libertairians would have supported Biden.

It's fine to vote for a third party candidate when an election result is assured, but in the case of close elections, it's self defeating. Vote for the major party candidate closest to your beliefs.

We have GOT to get rid of the Democrat super-majority here in California. In my opinion, ANY Republican is better than ANY Democrat
None of the Jorgensen votes in CA would have done anything for Trump if they voted for him. It's winner take all here. All of the states EC votes would still have gone towards Biden.

Change winner take all to one of the ranked choice options where we get to cast a vote for who we actually want, then if they lose the vote falls back to a second or third choice. But that will never happen because then there wouldn't be parties. Just candidates.
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Instead of dividing up conservative voters, the game plan should be to encourage division among the Left..
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Instead of dividing up conservative voters, the game plan should be to encourage division among the Left..
Someone's got their thinking cap on.

Pelosi didn't start a new party to fight AOC, she worked behind the scene to consolidate her power but publicly kept the Democrats united on votes. And then attacked and scattered Trump and The Republican Party.
Trump had the WH and Congress his first 2 years and could get little done except SCOTUS appointments (and then just barely) thanks to Pelosi using GOP internal dissent to divide them. Then she took power in the mid-terms and never looked back.
Let's take a page from that playbook and keep our party united.
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Someone's got their thinking cap on.
Let's take a page from that playbook and keep our party united.
Doug Ose- First Choice, look at his Congressional Record!

https://www.congress.gov/member/doug-ose/O000164?q={%22search%22:[%22Doug+ose%22]}&s=4&r=1&searchResultViewType=expanded

Jeff Hewitt- 2nd choice

Caitlyn trans-Jenner: God help us

Kevin Faulconer > Gavin Newsom

John Cox >= Newsom
Travis Allen > John Cox

Major Williams? Idk, least viable option for 2021.
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Democrats, no matter how much I hate them today, are very shrewd tacticians, they certainly well read "The Art of War" create chaos and division among enemy ranks and you don't even have to fire a shot. Clueless GOP really needs a reality check and flip the tactic back at the enemy. Tulsi Gabbard is a good start to create chaos and division among the enemy.
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Old 06-11-2021, 9:30 AM
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President trump won a landslide victory !
Its my suggestion every person who wants to keep our liberties and honor President Donald J Trump, register as a republican.
This will show the swamp we know they cheated and high GOP registration makes cheating more difficult.

https://townhall.com/columnists/wayn...ction-n2589148
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