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Old 07-15-2019, 7:30 PM
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There is no requirement that it be put in a binder or anything else. Note is says "an orderly arrangement of loose–leaf pages".
I never said it did. Referring to the example from Crufflers which shows hole punches, I said,
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No where did I state that the loose-leaf pages MUST be inserted into a binder.

But, this is a fundamentally stupid issue, so, I shall depart.
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“That allows you to put them in a binder, thus a “bound book”.
No "Thus". You imply the holes allows you to put them into a binder and use of the word "thus" implies that this makes it become a bound book, but that just isn't correct.

If this isn't the case, please explain your comment in which it seems quite clear that you claim that putting them in a binder makes it suddenly become a bound book, when just the pages alone are considered the bound book. This indicates that you actually said what you deny you said.
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Greetings - I'm a little baffled. I thought if you were a California resident, and had a C&R license, you could have a C&R handgun shipped directly to you. You then need to quickly file the DROS.

Is this not correct?

If it's not correct, can someone post the statute?

thanks - Ricardo

p.s. I've read the Cal DOJ "FAQ", and it says that to get AMMO delivered by mail, you need a COE. But I don't believe that is says a COE is required to get a C&R handgun by mail. If that's wrong, please post the statute, thanks!

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Greetings - I'm a little baffled. I thought if you were a California resident, and had a C&R license, you could have a C&R handgun shipped directly to you. You then need to quickly file the DROS.

Is this not correct?

If it's not correct, can someone post the statute?

thanks - Ricardo

p.s. I've read the Cal DOJ "FAQ", and it says that to get AMMO delivered by mail, you need a COE. But I don't believe that is says a COE is required to get a C&R handgun by mail. If that's wrong, please post the statute, thanks!

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Hello, does FFL03 and COE as of today still exempt the holders from having online ordered ammo being transferred in a FFL01? I know that I could shipped the ammo to my door front before July 1st, not sure about now. Anyone has insights?
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I have insight. I received a shipment at my door yesterday, and another one is scheduled for delivery on Friday.
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Hello, does FFL03 and COE as of today still exempt the holders from having online ordered ammo being transferred in a FFL01? I know that I could shipped the ammo to my door front before July 1st, not sure about now. Anyone has insights?
Here is a link to the CRPA. This should answer all of your questions. Print it out and keep it in your vehicle and have it ready for purchases at local retailers. They may not know all the little details.

http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/...-Ammo-Regs.pdf
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I have insight. I received a shipment at my door yesterday, and another one is scheduled for delivery on Friday.
Annnd to close the loop on this question, here is a list of California "FFL 03 Friendly" Ammunition Dealers who will ship to your door.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1406001
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*Le sigh* I just filed for my C&R &C.O.E to get a Garand shipped to the house from CMP. According to the CMP site they will ship to the house, but it looks like that's a big No No. Looks like the gun shop gUn ahop is gonna get an inbound shipment. Well, at least I can get the ammo shipped to the house.
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*Le sigh* I just filed for my C&R &C.O.E to get a Garand shipped to the house from CMP. According to the CMP site they will ship to the house, but it looks like that's a big No No. Looks like the gun shop gUn ahop is gonna get an inbound shipment. Well, at least I can get the ammo shipped to the house.
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Been seeing post on Calguns claiming that FFL03+CoE holder still needs to DROS C&R long guns coming from out-of-state via FFL01. Can someone clarify? Thanks!
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Been seeing post on Calguns claiming that FFL03+CoE holder still needs to DROS C&R long guns coming from out-of-state via FFL01. Can someone clarify? Thanks!
Yes, see CA PC 27585 & 27565. The law changed, no shipping of C&R firearms directly.
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Old 09-09-2019, 10:58 AM
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Yes, see CA PC 27585 & 27565. The law changed, no shipping of C&R firearms directly.

Hi, thank you for the information. I read up both penal codes,

PC27575 states:

Subdivision (a) does not apply to or affect any of the following:
(1) A licensed collector who is subject to and complies with Section 27565.

Then PC27565 states:

(a)(4)The licensed collector acquires, outside of this state, a handgun, and commencing January 1, 2014, any firearm.
(b)Within five days of transporting a firearm into this state under the circumstances described in subdivision (a), the licensed collector shall report the acquisition of that firearm to the department in a format prescribed by the department.

This seems to be saying that FFL03+CoE collectors can still ship C&R long gun from out-of-state directly, and once acquired, report the firearm on CFARS within 5 days. Is this not your interpretation?

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Hi, thank you for the information. I read up both penal codes,

PC27575 states:

Subdivision (a) does not apply to or affect any of the following:
(1) A licensed collector who is subject to and complies with Section 27565.

Then PC27565 states:

(a)(4)The licensed collector acquires, outside of this state, a handgun, and commencing January 1, 2014, any firearm.
(b)Within five days of transporting a firearm into this state under the circumstances described in subdivision (a), the licensed collector shall report the acquisition of that firearm to the department in a format prescribed by the department.

This seems to be saying that FFL03+CoE collectors can still ship C&R long gun from out-of-state directly, and once acquired, report the firearm on CFARS within 5 days. Is this not your interpretation?
Not ship. Transport. You can buy a C&R out-of-state and bring it back yourself, then report the acquisition within 5 days.
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I am curious, are you reading some other CA PC 27565 than I am?

What does item 4 say?

Takes actual possession outside of the state? Paying for something isn't taking actual possession, is it?

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(1) A person is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.

(2) The licensed premises of that person are within this state.

(3) The licensed collector acquires, outside of this state, a handgun, and commencing January 1, 2014, any firearm.

(4) The licensed collector takes actual possession of that firearm outside of this state pursuant to the provisions of subsection (j) of Section 923 of Title 18 of the United States Code, as amended by Public Law 104-208, and transports the firearm into this state.

(5) The firearm is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations.

(b) Within five days of transporting a firearm into this state under the circumstances described in subdivision (a), the licensed collector shall report the acquisition of that firearm to the department in a format prescribed by the department.

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Some online ammo shops will sell and ship to out and some won't. Speaking from experience on this
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I am curious, are you reading some other CA PC 27565 than I am?

What does item 4 say?

Takes actual possession outside of the state? Paying for something isn't taking actual possession, is it?
Ah I see, missed that part Thanks for clarification.
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So I got approved for my COE. But it's telling me..."THERE ARE COE NOTIFICATIONS THAT MUST BE VIEWED AND ACKNOWLEDGE" where do I view and acknowledge that? Any help is appreciated.
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So I got approved for my COE. But it's telling me..."THERE ARE COE NOTIFICATIONS THAT MUST BE VIEWED AND ACKNOWLEDGE" where do I view and acknowledge that? Any help is appreciated.
On the web page in CFARS. You need to click on the link, most likely it is saying that you were approved. It is badly done.
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On the web page in CFARS. You need to click on the link, most likely it is saying that you were approved. It is badly done.
Ya I got approved. Kinda quick. I applied last Friday September 6th. And got approved September 11th.
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This all I see that I can click on. But it's not going anywhere. I click and nothing happens

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This all I see that I can click on. But it's not going anywhere. I click and nothing happens
Did you click on "Certificate of Eligibility (COE)" link on the main page (upper left)?

Then click on "Notices" (upper left) link?

Then click on the notice listed (center page) link?

As I said, it is not a good web page.
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Did you click on "Certificate of Eligibility (COE)" link on the main page (upper left)?

Then click on "Notices" (upper left) link?

Then click on the notice listed (center page) link?

As I said, it is not a good web page.
Haha. Ya I figured it out just a little while ago. I was in my phone earlier and it wouldn't work. Once in the laptop I got it. Thanks for help, much appreciated!! And they charged me card today for the FFL03 . So things are coming along quite nicely.
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And ya, the website is garbage. I think they do it on purpose. Haha
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Can someone who ONLY has a COE (not the 03FFL) receive ammunition from an online out of state vendor?

My reading of the conjunction in the PC seems to indicate the answer is no.

"(6) A person who is licensed as a collector of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, whose licensed premises are within this state, and who has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 26710."


However, unless I am missing something, PSA Seems to think the answer is yes, as they only mention a COE and not an 03FFL. https://palmettostatearmory.com/cali...o-buying-guide


I just read through this whole thread on my phone, so if this is addressed and I missed it, I apologize.
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Can someone who ONLY has a COE (not the 03FFL) receive ammunition from an online out of state vendor?

My reading of the conjunction in the PC seems to indicate the answer is no.

"(6) A person who is licensed as a collector of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, whose licensed premises are within this state, and who has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 26710."


However, unless I am missing something, PSA Seems to think the answer is yes, as they only mention a COE and not an 03FFL. https://palmettostatearmory.com/cali...o-buying-guide


I just read through this whole thread on my phone, so if this is addressed and I missed it, I apologize.
If PSA wants to interpret the law that way, fine. For our purposes as citizens of the Golden State, we need to have both.
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The part about COE is under "California Ammo License Vendor", not just any consumer. Read the first paragraph on the page.
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The part about COE is under "California Ammo License Vendor", not just any consumer. Read the first paragraph on the page.
There it is--came to it by googling "buying ammo with CA COE" and google gave me the quote. Should've looked closer--thanks!
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I'm sure this has been covered already, can't seem to find where I read it but..Since I have my C.O.E. can I go out of state and purchase ammunition and bring back to CA. Or do I need to wait for my C&R?
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Just experienced a bit of frustration trying to find an ammo vendor willing to ship to me as an 03 FFL & COE holder. Ammo.com, Ventura Munitions, Lucky Gunner and others all said NO. The latest is that yet another recent law in California requires them to collect sales tax and somehow the process to apply for the “right” to do that is just too rigorous and costly. Not sure how all of those other businesses that ship goods here do it. The good news is that Target Sports said YES and is shipping my order. The process to order was easy. Once you fill in your California address you are prompted to provide the necessary documents and I just had to download a photo of the two documents. Hopefully more vendors will figure this out soon but for now my ammo vendor is Target.

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I'm sure this has been covered already, can't seem to find where I read it but..Since I have my C.O.E. can I go out of state and purchase ammunition and bring back to CA. Or do I need to wait for my C&R?
You need both.

You may have read it in the statute.
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(a) Commencing January 1, 2018, a resident of this state shall not bring or transport into this state any ammunition that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained from outside of this state unless he or she first has that ammunition delivered to a licensed ammunition vendor for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 30312.
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(5) A person who is licensed as a collector of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, whose licensed premises are within this state, and who has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 26710.
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Just experienced a bit of frustration trying to find an ammo vendor willing to ship to me as an 03 FFL & COE holder. Ammo.com, Ventura Munitions, Lucky Gunner and others all said NO. The latest is that yet another recent law in California requires them to collect sales tax and somehow the process to apply for the “right” to do that is just too rigorous and costly. Not sure how all of those other businesses that ship goods here do it. The good news is that Target Sports said YES and is shipping my order. The process to order was easy. Once you fill in your California address you are prompted to provide the necessary documents and I just had to download a photo of the two documents. Hopefully more vendors will figure this out soon but for now my ammo vendor is Target.

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You may have read it in the statute.
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I thought an emergency edit went into effect, only allowing the bigger FFL's, and ammo vendors to have ammo shipped to them. I was under the impression that my CoE and -03 are no longer OK to have ammo shipped home...
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I thought an emergency edit went into effect, only allowing the bigger FFL's, and ammo vendors to have ammo shipped to them. I was under the impression that my CoE and -03 are no longer OK to have ammo shipped home...
What’s an emergency edit? I still get ammo shipped to my home with my FFL03 & COE.
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I thought an emergency edit went into effect, only allowing the bigger FFL's, and ammo vendors to have ammo shipped to them. I was under the impression that my CoE and -03 are no longer OK to have ammo shipped home...
There was a version of the DoJ regulations on the ammo background check process that, at one point, would have extended the 03FFL+COE exemption to purchases made from California vendors. DoJ removed it before they went into effect.

This change caused a lot of confusion (intentionally?) among consumers and out of state sellers alike, but the ability for collectors with COEs to buy from out of state and bring or ship it into California was never up to the DoJ.
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