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Old 08-28-2019, 7:27 AM
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At $70 a box somebody musta been a little desperate?

I only paid $35/ box for Norma new stuff when it shows up! 100 rds ea of new 6.5 and 7.7 will keep me fer years as I don't shoot the Arisakas that often.

https://www.proxibid.com/Firearms-Mi...ation/49733145

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At $70 a box somebody musta been a little desperate?



I only paid $35/ box for Norma new stuff when it shows up! 100 rds ea of new 6.5 and 7.7 will keep me fer years as I don't shoot the Arisakas that often.



https://www.proxibid.com/Firearms-Mi...ation/49733145
I don't think it is $70 per box because they are different types of ammo. With premium it is more like $81 for 3 boxes and there are 3 lots of 3 boxes. That's $27 a box which isn't bad.

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I don't think it is $70 per box because they are different types of ammo. With premium it is more like $81 for 3 boxes and there are 3 lots of 3 boxes. That's $27 a box which isn't bad.

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Did you open and read the auction site results?

https://www.proxibid.com/Firearms-Mi...ation/49733145

Clearly states 3 boxes of 15 rounds each no other "lots" mentioned on my end.

It states $70 x 3 = $210 ( Which in auction parlance is "$70 three times the money equals $210") and I fergot about adding the buyer premium, so ya can tack another 15% online buyer preminum to that!

So yes it is 70 bucks a box plus the preminum.
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Did you open and read the auction site results?



https://www.proxibid.com/Firearms-Mi...ation/49733145



Clearly states 3 boxes of 15 rounds each no other "lots" mentioned on my end.



It states $70 x 3 = $210 ( Which in auction parlance is "$70 three times that equals $210") and I fergot about adding the buyer premium, so ya can tack another 15% online buyer preminum to that!



So yes it is 70 bucks a box plus the preminum.
Maybe they used mobile like me, but usually when it is 3 of something they are 3 of the same. Thus why I figured 3 lots of 3 boxes.

Edit: I reread it and I am still reading it as 3 lots of 3 boxes of 15 rounds. Total of 9 boxes of 15 rounds for $210 + premium.

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Did you open and read the auction site results?

https://www.proxibid.com/Firearms-Mi...ation/49733145

Clearly states 3 boxes of 15 rounds each no other "lots" mentioned on my end.

It states $70 x 3 = $210 ( Which in auction parlance is "$70 three times the money equals $210") and I fergot about adding the buyer premium, so ya can tack another 15% online buyer preminum to that!

So yes it is 70 bucks a box plus the preminum.

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Also why I don't see someone paying double the price for one box. That PCI ammo is horrible. Had a squib round with it that I almost didn't catch, luckily I did before I fired the next one. Bullet was stuck about halfway down the barrel.

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Maybe they used mobile like me, but usually when it is 3 of something they are 3 of the same. Thus why I figured 3 lots of 3 boxes.

Edit: I reread it and I am still reading it as 3 lots of 3 boxes of 15 rounds. Total of 9 boxes of 15 rounds for $210 + premium.

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It reads "3 boxes of 15 rds each 45 rds total, does not say anything about a second or third "lot" any where, each lot would have separate lot numbers.

But one can interpret anyway one is comfortable with.

I did win an item in that auction so maybe I'll check with them directly!
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This is why you reload for calibers like these.
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High? Yes.
Unanticipated? Nope.
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This is why you reload for calibers like these.
Agreed, if you shoot them often or have several ya like to exercise frequently, once every couple of years not worth it as in my case, but each to his own.
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This is why you reload for calibers like these.
To reload, you have to have cases. Some, like the 7.7 Japanese can be formed from common cases, but some can't.
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High? Yes.
Unanticipated? Nope.
I wouldn't have anticipated that kind of selling price, but like the saying goes, "when you want it and you see it you pay the price if you gots the money!"

I just would put myself on the "notify me list" with Graf and Sons or others vendors, and when the NORMA ammo popped up I would buy 2-6 boxes each cal fer $32 -$35 per box, that was 2.5 years ago and still haven't shot any of it yet, too any other things to shoot or lack of time and opportunity.

Haven't checked fer list pricing recently for obvious reasons, like I don't need it right now
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It reads "3 boxes of 15 rds each 45 rds total, does not say anything about a second or third "lot" any where, each lot would have separate lot numbers.



But one can interpret anyway one is comfortable with.



I did win an item in that auction so maybe I'll check with them directly!
Mobile looks different than desktop. That's why I read 3 lots of 3. I am curious what that actually meant if you do talk to them.

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Old 08-28-2019, 12:38 PM
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Mobile looks different than desktop. That's why I read 3 lots of 3. I am curious what that actually meant if you do talk to them.

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Yea me too! I've never seen the or use the mobile app so I don't know what they are showing you there, could be different then the website.

I did reach out to them cuz I'd like my completed invoice so I can mail check instead of them credit carding my purchase. I did ask for clarification on that particular lot.

Will be interesting to see IF they actually respond back as some of the Auction houses don't bother, especially if the auction has closed.

Done business with them numerous times over the years, only time I got skunked was a multi item invoice some years ago (about $1800 worth, when I still had money) that included a "Type 38 Arisaka", which turned out to be a Type 99 ( being an Arisaka newbie at the time it took awhile to discover the mistake and they refused to take it back, I kept it and sold it myself. But all in all have had decent luck with them.

Just caught the pic from the mobile site you posted, was wondering why the calguns site wasn't working on my end, yer photo was loading and my PC was slow!!

I see what you are saying and I concur it can be confusing! Will be interesting to see what they say.
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I've bought a few things from Kull before...mixed results.

Best deal was an Irish Contract MK4 Enfield with numbers matching bayonet in unused condition.

http://www.proxibid.com/Smle-No-4-Mk...on/3934249#Top

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I've bought a few things from Kull before...mixed results.

Best deal was an Irish Contract MK4 Enfield with numbers matching bayonet in unused condition.

http://www.proxibid.com/Smle-No-4-Mk...on/3934249#Top

The bottom Enfield





Very nice score and only $200 even in 2008!!!!!
Currently even here in Albuquerque, crappy ones are close to $600 if you can find them!

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Very nice score and only $200 even in 2008!!!!!
Currently even here in Albuquerque, crappy ones are close to $600 if you can find them!
Thanks, Ag. I've got a thing for Enfields (a practically every other military rifle) and was happy to get that one.
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Thanks, Ag. I've got a thing for Enfields (a practically every other military rifle) and was happy to get that one.

Well I just bet ya could use one of these!
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Mobile looks different than desktop. That's why I read 3 lots of 3. I am curious what that actually meant if you do talk to them.

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Well so far I can't even get them to invoice me for the items I won, so we'll probably never know what the heck they meant!

At another auction house I won a like NIB Beretta M92FS fer $380 and was invoiced immediately after with all costs.
I DO sometimes wonder about Kulls operation!

Will let ya know if I ever hear anything, besides my invoice!
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Well I just bet ya could use one of these!
You know to throw tennis balls fer your dog
LOL..WTH is that thing??
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Enfield grenade launcher

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If it matters.......Hook Line and Sinker has a sporterized 7.7 jap on consignment for $ 200. No clue as to its history, and the bbl is listed as 22 in. The Hook is located in Oakley, Contra Costa County, next to Antioch. I have no interest in one of these rigs, but maybe someone else does. Its well taken care of.

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LOL..WTH is that thing??
Really you an Enfield guy and don't know?

Enfield #1 Mk3 Cup style grenade launcher, the sliding window thingie adjusts range.

Guys will use them to fire tennis balls (always using blanks with these things)down range where legal to possess.


I don't remember if the old "Dealers Warehouse" in West Sacramento was a Class 3 dealer when they were in operation, but I remember they had a rack of Enfields with these Cup launchers installed first and last time I ever saw them in CA and that was back in the 1980's, these are pretty stout weight wise! The clips hook into the slots on the sides of the front sight cover and you screw it down to tighten it.
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Yep. 7.7 isnít too hard to make cases for
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Was there ever much surplus 7.7 ammo available?
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No, a significant amount of captured Japanese equipment was simply dumped into the ocean. I imagine a large amount of 7.7 was among what was dumped
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Not that I ever saw.

Yes I "believe" there was some back in the 1980's or 90's BUT the caveat was it was "hot" 7.7 for machine guns and shouldn't have been used in rifles.

I was an 01 FFL during that time and the "REAL" Shotgun News and Gunlist were the monthly shopping bibles!!!!! That's where that hot 7.7 ammo was advertised but I don't remember who had it, Century, SOG, or one of the other major importers of the time.

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My pop was a boswain on an ocean going navy tug during the occupation of Japan right after the war. he told me they loaded wherehouses full of ammo and Arisakas onto barges and took them out to sea and gave'em the deep 6. He didn't even save me one.
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Thanks. As I mentioned, I've got a thing for Enfields. I have a consecutively serialed pair...one still in the mummy wrap and the other one cleaned up. Discovered sometime after I got the pair that my first MK4 no.2 was only a few numbers off the consecutive pair.

Have a few other unfired Mk4's also.
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My pop was a boswain on an ocean going navy tug during the occupation of Japan right after the war. he told me they loaded wherehouses full of ammo and Arisakas onto barges and took them out to sea and gave'em the deep 6. He didn't even save me one.
Yep, there have been photos posted on the Forum and internet regarding the barges hauling the stuff out and dumping it. Not sure why the Navy did this.

Conversely the Army actually encouraged personnel to take a "War Trophy" home.

I've mentioned this before I have my wife's Uncle's bring back, mint unissued, Type 99 short rifle, still had packing grease in the barrel, sights under the wood etc.

He was a Combat Engineer, was in on the Leyte Landings and fought through the PI. Then was sent to Japan for the Occupation. They were sent there to rebuild the infrastructure Lemay's Guys had blown up and also was at Nagasaki.
His unit was billeted at a former Japanese Army Base, one day they were lined up single file and told to walk through a certain barrack building, inside, on one side were crates of Arisakas on the other side were boxes of bolts. They were told to "take a rifle and bolt and keep moving, that is your War Trophy"
No one thought about matching numbers in those days but he grabbed pretty close as the bolt and receiver are only a few digits off and still unfired except at the factory.
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Yep, there have been photos posted on the Forum and internet regarding the barges hauling the stuff out and dumping it. Not sure why the Navy did this.

Conversely the Army actually encouraged personnel to take a "War Trophy" home.

I've mentioned this before I have my wife's Uncle's bring back, mint unissued, Type 99 short rifle, still had packing grease in the barrel, sights under the wood etc.

He was a Combat Engineer, was in on the Leyte Landings and fought through the PI. Then was sent to Japan for the Occupation. They were sent there to rebuild the infrastructure Lemay's Guys had blown up and also was at Nagasaki.
His unit was billeted at a former Japanese Army Base, one day they were lined up single file and told to walk through a certain barrack building, inside, on one side were crates of Arisakas on the other side were boxes of bolts. They were told to "take a rifle and bolt and keep moving, that is your War Trophy"
No one thought about matching numbers in those days but he grabbed pretty close as the bolt and receiver are only a few digits off and still unfired except at the factory.
Post a photo if you can Ag, we'd like to see it.
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Post a photo if you can Ag, we'd like to see it.
Sorry I never kept the photo file when it was posted, but it showed a barge full of long arms and what looked like Japanese men in uniform throwing stuff over the side under supervision of US military personal Navy officers I think.

I've seen it in other threads, in the past.

I'll look around and see if I can find it some where.

Addendum:

DUH, were ya referring to the barge photo or my wifes uncle's bringback Arisaka he handed to me? I shoulda asked before assuming!

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The Japanese rifles are nice, but the lack of copious amounts of surplus ammunition, like with Mosins, is really a buzz-killer.
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LOL...no surplus rifle has as copious a supply of surplus ammo as the Mosins
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