LPVO purchase options

[TheVazha]

Hi!

It’s my birthday. I get to buy an LPVO. I’ve researched quite a bit and the Vortex Razor Gen 2 was on my list. Then last night I go to check out and I see they have a 1x10!

I’m sure it’s been discussed to oblivion here, but is there anything else I should strongly look at before I buy the 1x10?




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[HKAllTheThings]

Personally, I like the 1-6 more since it's clearer at 1X.

But the 1-10 has been a very good optic on the SCAR 17, if you're planning to run it on something like that.

[Sutcliffe]

For AR platforms 6x is good, 8x better, but 10x seems a little much.

YMMV

[verdigris]

Take a look at Tract Optics. Not too many people know of them but make excellent scopes. They sell direct and more value for the money. They have a great 1x8 LVPO for about 1200.00

[ir0nclash86]

https://www.primaryarms.com/primary-...56-308-reticle

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

1-10x will have a tighter eyebox. Check out the other razor HD models if you can.

[TheVazha]

I agree woth you guys, the 1-10 I think is overkill for a 223. I’ll keep looking. I wish Trijicon had a proper 1-8.


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[fmxmyway]

1-6 FTW. Ive owned both and I sold my 1-10. The 1-6 is more like a magnified red dot so it does both roles well as the eye relief is flexible. The 1-10 is more like a traditional scope as the eye relief is much more restrictive.

[TheVazha]

Originally Posted by fmxmyway

1-6 FTW. Ive owned both and I sold my 1-10. The 1-6 is more like a magnified red dot so it does both roles well as the eye relief is flexible. The 1-10 is more like a traditional scope as the eye relief is much more restrictive.

Amazing that’s what I’ve read in the past 48. I can get the 1-10 but for $2700 otd it’s just crazy imho. I’d do it if there was a compelling reason but for a 223 I think 1-6 is sweet spot no?

Also, maybe a noob question, do they only make a 1-6 in sfp because the lower magnification, in other words, there’s no benefit of ffp at that range compared to 1-10?


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[Munny$hot]

IMHO the 1-10 FFP trumps the 1-6 SFP due to the ranging reticle being correct regardless of power setting. Yes you'll more then likely be on max or 1X but if foe some reason it's will affect your desired results. The eye box is tighter on the 10X, but IMHO is a good thing due most LPVOs do not have a parallax adjustment. You can use the edges of the scope's shadow to give you a good indication if you are properly lined up with your target at distance. The EBR9 MOA is a great Christmas tree style reticle, with wind, and is extremely fast at making hits out to distance. IMHO I'd rather have a tighter eye box with the extra 4X over the 1-6 especially for stretching out to the maximum range of the 5.56 on smaller targets then being limited to 6X. If you want a more forgiving eyebox simply dial down the magnification to 6-8X. The other LPVO I'd consider would be the Kahles 1-8. All the others don't have the glass quality, forgiving eyebox at lower magnification, and an Aimpoint bright dot like the Razor or Kahles which IMHO is needed for quick shots at close distances.

[TheVazha]

Originally Posted by Munny$hot

IMHO the 1-10 FFP trumps the 1-6 SFP due to the ranging reticle being correct regardless of power setting. Yes you'll more then likely be on max or 1X but if foe some reason it's will affect your desired results. The eye box is tighter on the 10X, but IMHO is a good thing due most LPVOs do not have a parallax adjustment. You can use the edges of the scope's shadow to give you a good indication if you are properly lined up with your target at distance. The EBR9 MOA is a great Christmas tree style reticle, with wind, and is extremely fast at making hits out to distance. IMHO I'd rather have a tighter eye box with the extra 4X over the 1-6 especially for stretching out to the maximum range of the 5.56 on smaller targets then being limited to 6X. If you want a more forgiving eyebox simply dial down the magnification to 6-8X. The other LPVO I'd consider would be the Kahles 1-8. All the others don't have the glass quality, forgiving eyebox at lower magnification, and an Aimpoint bright dot like the Razor or Kahles which IMHO is needed for quick shots at close distances.

Great point. It’s funny, I currently have an Accupoint 1-4 on the 223 and the shadows do absolutely help me dial in the positioning. Of course it’s not preferred, but it’s funny how when you get used to something it really doesn’t bother you.

They do make a Trijicon Credo 1-6 with ffp. That’s about the same price as a Gen 2 E. Have you had any experience woth that?

I love my 1-4 Accupoint but also I’ve never looked through anything else. I think the 1-4 is rad, I can’t wait to upgrade to something really special. Just having such a tough time deciding.


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[Gryff]

I just put a Vortex Strike Eagle 1-8x on my son's AR for him to use in next month's BARC match. He likes it, but it is the horseshoe reticle instead of the crosshairs.

BTW, ActiveJunky.com has 10% back right now if you buy from Cabelas/Bass Pro. That will save me $50 on the Strike Eagle.

[Full Clip]

You might want to check out some of SupersetCA's videos on the subject.

[tradecraft]

I have some Vudu 1-10s listed if you want to save some coin.

[Munny$hot]

Originally Posted by TheVazha

Great point. It’s funny, I currently have an Accupoint 1-4 on the 223 and the shadows do absolutely help me dial in the positioning. Of course it’s not preferred, but it’s funny how when you get used to something it really doesn’t bother you.

They do make a Trijicon Credo 1-6 with ffp. That’s about the same price as a Gen 2 E. Have you had any experience woth that?

I love my 1-4 Accupoint but also I’ve never looked through anything else. I think the 1-4 is rad, I can’t wait to upgrade to something really special. Just having such a tough time deciding.


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I did look through a Credo and the glass is nice and the illumination definitely better then their previous models. The biggest downside to the Credo 1-8 is the tunneling affect around the image, something that is not present on the Razors LPVOs. If you're considering the Credo 1-8 make sure to also look at the Razor Gen 2 1-6 before making a decision. Either of them would be a great option for a very durable 24/7 rig.

[Munny$hot]

Originally Posted by Gryff

I just put a Vortex Strike Eagle 1-8x on my son's AR for him to use in next month's BARC match. He likes it, but it is the horseshoe reticle instead of the crosshairs.

BTW, ActiveJunky.com has 10% back right now if you buy from Cabelas/Bass Pro. That will save me $50 on the Strike Eagle.

I definitely like the reticle of the SE 1-8 and the price is starting to come down on them to 300.00 with a Vortex mount. I'm hoping to see an updated reticle in their PST Gen2 LPVO line of scopes.

Originally Posted by Full Clip

You might want to check out some of SupersetCA's videos on the subject.

Definitely a great vid to checkout before making a decision on a high dollar investment.

[D.A.V.I.D.]

I’ve had the 1-6 and 1-10. Sold the 1-10, I don’t think ffp is necessary on a 5.56 rifle. I’m using 1 or 6 mostly and if I’m using in between it’s shots that the center reticle is still good to use. I also find the glass better on the 1-6.

[theLBC]

for that kind of money, i would consider the march shorty dual plane scopes.

[Subotai]

I have the primary arms 1-6 with acss reticle. Bery nice!

[crufflers]

Originally Posted by TheVazha

I’ll keep looking. I wish Trijicon had a proper 1-8.

What's wrong with the CREDO?

Credo CR828 1-8x28mm

[sigstroker]

Originally Posted by Dr. Peter Venkman

1-10x will have a tighter eyebox. Check out the other razor HD models if you can.

I saw a guntube review that compared 1-6x to 1-8x Primary Arms scope and the 1-8 had worse glass. You can't assume anything by the brand name.

OP, go on youtube, or just this forum, and search for supersetCA. He does reviews that are among the best. I remember he did a comparison video of high end lpvo's and the Razor was in it but I can't remember if it was the 1-10x.

Counter-intuitively, the most important aspect is how good they are at 1x.

[sigstroker]

Originally Posted by Munny$hot

I did look through a Credo and the glass is nice and the illumination definitely better then their previous models. The biggest downside to the Credo 1-8 is the tunneling affect around the image, something that is not present on the Razors LPVOs. If you're considering the Credo 1-8 make sure to also look at the Razor Gen 2 1-6 before making a decision. Either of them would be a great option for a very durable 24/7 rig.

If you want durable, look at the SIG Tango6T. It was adopted by the military. They seem to have discontinued it for retail sale, but there might be on in stock somewhere.

[TheVazha]

Thanks gents, fantastic advice and discussion.

Will make a decision and report back!


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[crufflers]

I have a few LPVO and the clearest are the Razor 1-6, PST II 1-6, RT-6... the Vortex scopes are built better IMHO... but also cost more than the Burris.

[Munny$hot]

Originally Posted by sigstroker

If you want durable, look at the SIG Tango6T. It was adopted by the military. They seem to have discontinued it for retail sale, but there might be on in stock somewhere.

I considered it when they first came out, but the illumination was disappointing.

[Ki6vsm]

Delta Stryker 1-6x anyone? I ended up with two of them: one in each reticle type. I like them a lot. Simple center dot, VERY bright if you want it that way.

[Dennis]

Originally Posted by Ki6vsm

Delta Stryker 1-6x anyone? I ended up with two of them: one in each reticle type. I like them a lot. Simple center dot, VERY bright if you want it that way.

I was set to buy a Vortex PST2 1-6. I found a used Delta Stryker 1-6 here for less and decided to give it a try. Very impressed with it. Super bright daylight dot. Nice clear Japanese glass. I would highly recommend one to anyone looking.