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Totally understandable, my mistake. Corrected. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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I put a dowel behind the buffer. When I built it, I built with a sled, but subsequently sold the sled. I left the magwell empty. Hope that works.
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I would recommend keeping all of the parts used to make it single shot and dated receipts. At least until statute of limitations passes although by then you'd probably forgot you had those parts. It shouldn't be a huge burden. |
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Calgunners also debate what makes a single shot a single shot. Some argue that an upper with a gas system is semi-auto period, even if the lower has zero capability of accepting more than one round. I don't think any of us really know the answer to that.
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Thanks. They are really on it for the pictures. Maybe they are worried about people registering taco chips and the like...
Can you let us know how the reciever-only reg goes? Nothing saying you aren't going to have a RAW capable rifle built by December 26 (someone gifting you the upper for Christmas, etc), so I can't imagine having trouble registering as RAW next year, but still, reciever-only is reciever-only.... |
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I paid $19.00 for 2 VolRegs and 7 intrafamial transfers.
When done through CRIS, DOJ counts the $19 fee as 1 "session", just like a DROS. You can do as many forms as you want, I suspect.... The only caveat is that the LE Gun Release Form is $20, so I bet that this form has its own fee. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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They do not "reject", they just say "incomplete". Just click the "resubmit" button, and it becomes active again Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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I've seen claims that they'll reject if you try to register a semiauto handgun
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I agree. I was speaking about their procedure if the user fails to submit pictures.
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As you suggested, my plan is to have my build done by December 23. From there, I will take pictures and include the receipts for all parts in a letter that I will Fedex to myself (therefor proving that it had all the features of an AW before the EOY). Maybe a little excessive, but if I ever need it, I'll have a notarized, un-opened document proving that I owned the AW before 2017. Call me paranoid, but you never know. That language of the law is, in fact, pretty vague for builds. |
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I don't even keep track of the names of people I buy guns from, let alone their addresses. I don't imagine most people do. Or do I just give the FFL info?
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As far as we can tell next year a bullet button means nothing.
In California if you have ANY evil features and a detachable mag (this year) / non-fixed mag (next year) it's an AW so yes, if you have a pistol grip and a BB it needs to be registered. The feds allowed one evil feature (with a slightly different list of features), which might be what you're thinking of.
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That configuration must have a BB to be legal in 2016. Effective 2017, with or without the BB, it will be defined as an AW and will be subject to registration. Important: To be eligible for registration, the gun must have been LAWFULLY POSSESSED in 2016... without the BB, it is not currently in a legal configuration and thus will not be eligible for registration next year.
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Note that for #2 and #3, the BB does not protect against AW status... in fact, quite the opposite, if you have a BB and insert an 11rd magazine, even if the rifle is completely featureless, it creates an AW. The new law states that IF you legally possessed the rifle in 2001-2016, it must be registered (if it is an AW under 2017 law). IF you currently have a basic M16-A1 and have removed the flash hider, just having the pistol grip would be enough to fall under class-1 UNLESS you have a bullet button. Effective Jan 1, the bullet button no longer satisfies as an exemption to the above "the capacity to accept a detachable magazine" So as of Jan 1, ANY features build that does not have the magazine fixed in some other manner (that requires disassembly of the action to remove) will be considered an AW whether it has a BB or not. The issue it seems that you are describing is that you PRESENTLY are in possession of a basic A1/A2 form rifle with a pistol grip, and without a bullet button. If so, that is an illegal AW today, unless, judging by your username, you are a cop AND you have already registered it as an AW via a letter from your department using department letterhead. If it is not presently RAW, even if you are a cop, it is currently illegal and legally not qualified for registration next year. For 2017, the definition of AW is not changing. It remains as it was in the quoted section of the law. If a rifle is featureless today, it is not required to be registered next year (and it can never be converted to a featured form).
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Submitted a VolReg....
About 12hrs. I meant to post this thread the night before I actually did, but forgot. Still waiting for word....anxiously.....
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Update: Recived an email that said they were reviewing my application. Looks like they have made some edits to the form.
I was told that I would be notified of the results via US Mail. Weird, considering that they have my email, and all prior communication has been done over email. I guess we'll see.... EDIT: Also told that volregs should be completed within a total of 30 days, unless a background denial/delay happens.
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Snail mail denial. Delivered by black SUVs. ::
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What, you mean they arn't here to bring me cupcakes and rainbows?
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I would tell them to pound sand personally. You didn't put up an argument on why pics are needed? I would have asked for a supervisor to call me and cite PC as to where I needed to supply pictures. Don't make it easy for them. I'm sure they can look up your background very easily.
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Supplying info without required PC is just helping DOJ with "underground" regulation. Too bad CGN lawyers won't do pro bono for stuff like this. At least then if asked for pictures one could forward DOJ to contact them and hopefully stop the "provide pics" or else threat...
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What I'm getting at is...if someone currently owns an AR with features AND a BB....by end of 2017 you'll either have to make it a RAW or convert it to a featureless rifle by the end of 2017. Correct? |
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The law states that if you possessed it as an AW (presumably future AW) you must register it. ifilef interprets that to mean even if it's now featureless/fixed mag/etc, but for some reason claims that selling it means you don't have to register it (even though there's no exemption for that).
AFAIK they have no way of knowing when you made it an AW. Getting caught manufacturing an AW is very bad though.
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1. Register your "featured" semi automatic rifle as RAW 2. Convert your CURRENTLY (as in from now till 12/31/16) owned "featured" semi automatic rifle with BB to a featureless semi automatic weapon (and can then lose the BB) 3. Transfer or sell your CURRENTLY (as in from now till 12/31/16) owned "featured" semi automatic rifle with BB to someone out of state. 4. Do nothing....and see what happens. Sound about right? |
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