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Old 03-25-2020, 1:38 PM
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This guy is a jackhole the entire counsel hates him (they are all repugnant btw) but he thought he could use that to foster friendship, but ahhhh.... NO

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Below is a cut and paste of a response to this subject I made in another thread. I think it is important for people to know exactly what the sheriffs true intentions were in the shutting down of gun shops.

That Lying MOFO'R
He is now saying it was/is a social distancing issue? BULL SHT!

He had already stated prior that he was closing the gun shops because new gun owners were buying guns, that more guns would be in homes with people and he even pointed out the CDC study on the danger of guns in the homes, he said if he allowed the gun stores to stay open that there would be 4X increase of gun related accidents in the homes, so that is why he closed the shops down, because he did not want more guns in the hands of new gun owneres. He had never said anything about social distancing as a reason. It was purely his own preference that more people did not need more guns so he shut the shops down to block people from exercising their 2A rights. Now someone overruled him and he is backtracking and now trying to say it is a social distancing issue as to why he was trying to close the shops, now he says the shops being open is not a "License to panic buy"? Not a license? I hope people remember this guy when it comes time for the local sheriff election.

Here is his previous reasoning for closing down the gun shops....

“We will be closing them, they are not an essential function,” Villanueva said. “I’m a supporter of the 2nd amendment, I’m a gun owner myself, but now you have the mixture of people that are not formerly gun owners and you have a lot more people at home and anytime you introduce a firearm in a home, from what I understand from CDC studies, it increases fourfold the chance that someone is gonna get shot.”

His entire reasoning for closing the gun stores down was to keep people from getting guns, not about a virus. His actions and reasoning for those actions should be grounds for him being removed from his position as Sheriff. He violated his oath and violated the constitutional rights of the citizens of Los Angeles county. If he only said he was trying to enforce social distancing, he might have been able to get away with it, but he had previously stated his reasoning was to keep guns from new gun owners, to cut off their supply. A clear violation of the 2nd amendment.

The quote of his in bold print above was cut and pasted from the following article. https://www.foxla.com/news/la-county...ties-to-patrol

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Below is a cut and paste of a response to this subject I made in another thread. I think it is important for people to know exactly what the sheriffs true intentions were in the shutting down of gun shops.

That Lying MOFO'R
He is now saying it was/is a social distancing issue? BULL SHT!

He had already stated prior that he was closing the gun shops because new gun owners were buying guns, that more guns would be in homes with people and he even pointed out the CDC study on the danger of guns in the homes, he said if he allowed the gun stores to stay open that there would be 4X increase of gun related accidents in the homes, so that is why he closed the shops down, because he did not want more guns in the hands of new gun owneres. He had never said anything about social distancing as a reason. It was purely his own preference that more people did not need more guns so he shut the shops down to block people from exercising their 2A rights. Now someone overruled him and he is backtracking and now trying to say it is a social distancing issue as to why he was trying to close the shops, now he says the shops being open is not a "License to panic buy"? Not a license? I hope people remember this guy when it comes time for the local sheriff election.

Here is his previous reasoning for closing down the gun shops....

“We will be closing them, they are not an essential function,” Villanueva said. “I’m a supporter of the 2nd amendment, I’m a gun owner myself, but now you have the mixture of people that are not formerly gun owners and you have a lot more people at home and anytime you introduce a firearm in a home, from what I understand from CDC studies, it increases fourfold the chance that someone is gonna get shot.”

His entire reasoning for closing the gun stores down was to keep people from getting guns, not about a virus. His actions and reasoning for those actions should be grounds for him being removed from his position as Sheriff. He violated his oath and violated the constitutional rights of the citizens of Los Angeles county. If he only said he was trying to enforce social distancing, he might have been able to get away with it, but he had previously stated his reasoning was to keep guns from new gun owners, to cut off their supply. A clear violation of the 2nd amendment.

The quote of his in bold print above was cut and pasted from the following article. https://www.foxla.com/news/la-county...ties-to-patrol

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WFT are you posting this now? Its already past! Its open now, after he was told he can't do it!
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WFT are you posting this now? Its already past! Its open now, after he was told he can't do it!
Probably so people don’t have to run through 3 pages to see it. Some things do in fact bear repeating.
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WFT are you posting this now? Its already past! Its open now, after he was told he can't do it!
Why are you quoting it with the image(s), making it 2x worse?

Please delete the image(s) from the quote.


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So many people here confusing 'council' with 'counsel'.

City Council is a group of people elected to run the city affairs. City Counsel is the attorney hired by the city to deal with legal matters. In this case it was the COUNSEL aka a single person who is an attorney, who b-slapped the Sheriff.
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I just heard the sheriff on the radio he's gonna be pivoting again on this and has a news conference scheduled for tomorrow morning.
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Gov. Gavin Newsom says state won't issue guidance on whether gun stores are essential businesses
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California Gov. Gavin Newsom will not offer official guidance on whether gun stores can be classified as essential businesses and remain open during the state's shelter-in-place order.

Newsom was asked about the issue after Los Angeles County reversed course on a move to close gun stores amid the spread of coronavirus in the region and the county's shelter-in-place order. L.A. County Sheriff Alex Villanueva initially ordered the closing of gun stores, but legal counsel for the county determined gun stores are essential businesses and must remain open. Villanueva then rescinded the order.

During his Wednesday press conference, Newsom was asked whether the state would issue an official guidance for localities to follow, but Newsom said no guidance would be coming.

"I believe in people's right to bear arms and I believe people are exercising that right," Newsom said of reports of increased sales at gun stores. "But I'll defer to the sheriff in this instance, and I'll defer to sheriffs in their respective jurisdictions for that clarification."
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Why are you quoting it with the image(s), making it 2x worse?

So many people here confusing 'council' with 'counsel'.

City Council is a group of people elected to run the city affairs. City Counsel is the attorney hired by the city to deal with legal matters. In this case it was the COUNSEL aka a single person who is an attorney, who b-slapped the Sheriff.
Seems like you quoted the same post.

Can you do "insure" and "ensure", or even "there", "their", and maybe "to", "two", and "too", also?
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Seems like you quoted the same post.

Can you do "insure" and "ensure", or even "there", "their", and maybe "to", "two", and "too", also?
No, I did not quote the 30" long series of images from the dupe post containing them.

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Some Un Named woman Atty in LA county told the jackball Sheriff he cannot close down gun stores.

Sort of off the topic but it would appear Newsome might have plans beyond Governor of an idiot blue state.
1st He praises Trump! Now he does not get involved with shutting down gun stores during an emergency.

Unfortunately for him and fortunately for the free USA his record is so bad he will never win free states.

Although if he were to begin a legit CCW program, its possible our memories could be shortened.
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Some Un Named woman Atty in LA county told the jackball Sheriff he cannot close down gun stores.

Sort of off the topic but it would appear Newsome might have plans beyond Governor of an idiot blue state.
1st He praises Trump! Now he does not get involved with shutting down gun stores during an emergency.

Unfortunately for him and fortunately for the free USA his record is so bad he will never win free states.

Although if he were to begin a legit CCW program, its possible our memories could be shortened.
She was named, right up front. From Post #80 of this thread...

For further information, see... LA Sheriff Clashes With County Lawyer Over Closing Gun Shops

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The Los Angeles County sheriff said Tuesday gun shops are not essential businesses and ordered deputies to make sure they were closed during the coronavirus crisis — a move that was contradicted hours later when the county's top lawyer said the shops could be open...
Then, as I clarified on my own, OT thread...

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...The county's stay-at-home order was crafted by the health department and Villanueva said he's working with the agency on new language...

County Counsel Mary Wickham could not immediately be reached Tuesday evening for more details on the opinion that the stores could remain open. The sheriff's department did not have further information on Villanueva's orders in light of the new information...
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WFT are you posting this now? It's already past! It's open now, after he was told he can't do it!
Because it is important that people know his motives, After he was told he could not do it, he started claiming his motive had to do with the virus and social distancing, I post this earlier story with his quote saying he was doing it specifically to prevent people from getting guns. That is why I am posting it NOW, because he is NOW giving a different story.
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Because it is important that people know his motives, After he was told he could not do it, he started claiming his motive had to do with the virus and social distancing, I post this earlier story with his quote saying he was doing it specifically to prevent people from getting guns. That is why I am posting it NOW, because he is NOW giving a different story.
Also note in the post directly above your's where I quoted the article which stated...

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In other words, even after being told "No," he was still attempting to get new language which would allow him to do it. What you're indicating is exactly why I reacted in Post #80 to SkyHawk's article link/quote in Post #78 with Villenueva's new spin on the story.

You might appreciate pacrat's post on the thread in the Coronavirus/COVID19 Temp Forum; ostensibly sent him by an LASD friend.
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https://twitter.com/LACoSheriff/stat...049128961?s=20

Posted 1 hour ago. He changed his mind and decided to go for it anyways. And here you thought a politician would stop after being told to stop. *pat pat* Politicians never stop.

Exemption to the "closure" for the pick-up of previously lawfully-purchased firearms only. No ammo sales unless you're a security guard company. Hope you bought ammo beforehand.
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He is also having a power struggle with county supervisors.
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He is also having a power struggle with county supervisors.
As I just posted on another thread related to this...

From your other thread - LA Sheriff to pivot again on gun store closures..., posted by bangel...

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More news on this topic and the ongoing (previous to pandemic) feud between the County Gov and the Sheriff:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/la...ic/ar-BB11J9q2

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The L.A. County Board of Supervisors is taking steps to remove Sheriff Alex Villanueva as the head of the county's emergency operations center during the coronavirus outbreak, a move he called a "pure power grab at the worst time possible."

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"This is pretty much a silent coup, what they're trying to orchestrate," Villanueva said. "We should be worried about masks, about test kits, and I have [Supervisor] Kathryn Barger worried about guns and ammunition."
Pretty strong language from the sheriff
From later in the article...

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...The conflict highlights the ongoing power struggle between the sheriff and the board that began soon after he took office in December 2018. They have clashed over a variety of issues, including hiring decisions and spending.

Ron Hernandez, president of the Assn. for Los Angeles Deputy Sheriffs, said the public and deputies are "sick and tired" of the political tussles between the sheriff and the board.

"I believe the community is focused on keeping their families safe during this pandemic, and our deputies share that sentiment. These petty squabbles over power during a crisis are exactly what we don't need," he said. "To the sheriff and the Board of Supervisors, we say: Try acting like adults and focus on the emergency."...
So, this isn't strictly a matter of differing opinions related to gun stores or the coronavirus.
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The last word...a democrat doing what democrats do...

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Sheriff of Nottingham telling the serfs what to do...

Tyrants abound...
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Express your approval for the LA County Board of Supervisors to remove Villanueva from head of emergency operations.

Call LA County Board of supervisors (213)974-4111

I did it, took me 2 minutes. Call it 2 minutes for the 2A!
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Here are the emails for the Board of Supervisors as well,

Hilda Solis firstdistrict@bos.lacounty.gov

Mark Ridley-Thomas markridley-thomas@bos.lacounty.gov

Sheila Kuehl sheila@bos.lacounty.gov

Janice Hahn FourthDistrict@bos.lacounty.gov

Kathryn Barger kathryn@bos.lacounty.gov

Make sure you urge them to reverse Villanueva's "order" and have him removed as head of the County's EOC. The Board is supposed to be considering the latter next week.

Contacting Villanueva or LASD is a waste of time.
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Here are the emails for the Board of Supervisors as well,

Hilda Solis firstdistrict@bos.lacounty.gov

Mark Ridley-Thomas markridley-thomas@bos.lacounty.gov

Sheila Kuehl sheila@bos.lacounty.gov

Janice Hahn FourthDistrict@bos.lacounty.gov

Kathryn Barger kathryn@bos.lacounty.gov

Make sure you urge them to reverse Villanueva's "order" and have him removed as head of the County's EOC. The Board is supposed to be considering the latter next week.

Contacting Villanueva or LASD is a waste of time.
Great addition. Thank you patriot. And you are absolutely right about not wasting time on contacting the Sheriffs department.
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Glad he’s still letting people pick up their guns. But go ahead guys get all close and cramped together while this epidemic rages!
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Hilda Solis firstdistrict@bos.lacounty.gov



Mark Ridley-Thomas markridley-thomas@bos.lacounty.gov



Sheila Kuehl sheila@bos.lacounty.gov



Janice Hahn FourthDistrict@bos.lacounty.gov



Kathryn Barger kathryn@bos.lacounty.gov



Make sure you urge them to reverse Villanueva's "order" and have him removed as head of the County's EOC. The Board is supposed to be considering the latter next week.



Contacting Villanueva or LASD is a waste of time.
Already happening...

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/l-a...ations-center/

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Express your approval for the LA County Board of Supervisors to remove Villanueva from head of emergency operations.

Call LA County Board of supervisors (213)974-4111

I did it, took me 2 minutes. Call it 2 minutes for the 2A!
Called and emailed. Thank you!
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- LA county does NOT have the resources to ENFORCE gun-store closure

- simple as that

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Gunshops in Burbank are still open.
Or drive a little further west to Ventura county.



New thread suggestion: what will be Alex Villanueva's next job after he looses reelection?

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i read burbank PD told the sheriff to stick it. **** YOU sheriff dickhead!

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La county sheriffs department or lapd has also forgot about Korea town when it was the citizens that protected their business from looters and vandals and not them they had also forgot who they got the guns from that helped the cops take down the armed robber brothers that were armed with automatic ak47s... also a county legal advisor STRONGLY suggested to NOT close gun stores because it could lead to a lawsuit on the county over the 2nd amendment, I also think San Diego and San Jose should be sued as well for violating the rights of the people...
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Old 03-27-2020, 7:04 AM
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If a lawsuit can bring further financial harm to these municipalities and their overlords, all the better. Hopefully that turd sheriff will get flushed in a recall or similar, and be retired for good.
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Old 03-27-2020, 7:12 AM
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Is this where we slap him with a 1983 violation, pierce qualified immunity and hold him personally responsible for damages for violating our civil rights?
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Old 03-27-2020, 7:43 AM
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Send this to your local gun store. The lawsuits are in the works. Lets hit em where it hurts and grind them down like they do to us.
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Old 03-27-2020, 7:43 AM
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This is the reason I never drive south of Sonoma unless I have too. So Cal is another world, and should be a different state. Every problem we have in the north is only because we are attached to the brain dead voters in LA and SF. Can't imagine why any gun owning conservative would live in that hellhole, for any reason. Your sheriff is probably a hero among your liberal bretheren.
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Old 03-27-2020, 8:33 AM
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I'm moving unfortunately for me it will still be a in state move. California is so screwed born and raised here but the older I get the more foreign it feels to me.
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