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Listed below are the most frequently asked questions in the FFL forums in no particular order. These questions and answers are in no way legal advice and should not be construed as such. Some answers will cover all legal aspects and some answers might give a practical answer.
Additionally, many questions can also be answered in the Calguns Foundation Wiki. http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Main_Page If you think a new question needs to be asked, please post it in a new reply and it will be edited into this FAQ. 1. Can I PPT a handgun not registered to me? Yes you can. It might not be legal, but no one at the DOJ cares and your background as the seller will only be run if the buyer is unable to complete the transaction. So if you bought a handgun illegally 5 years ago without paperwork and now want to legally sell it, just go down and PPT it. The same rule applies for longguns, which are currently not registered. 2. Do I have to pay sales tax on out of state transfers? FFLs are considered the final retailer when DROSing and transfering retail firearms sales from out of state. FFLs are not required to collect the sales tax, but they are required to pay it. So most FFLs will require you to reimburse them for the sales tax due. If your FFL doesn't, keep your mouth shut about it and enjoy it. Just be aware in audit, your FFL will pay dearly and if not prepared to pay all of those back taxes, penalties, and interest, they most likely won't be in business anymore. 3. Do you know of a local dealer in my area? Yes, there is already a sticky for that.
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What documentation is required to purchase a gun?
All gun sales require proof of identity - typically a CA Driver License or ID card. See the DOJ FAQ.When does the 10-day wait begin? When the dealer submits the DROS.Why do some dealers require 11 or more days when the law says 10? Sometimes it is because the shop will not be open on day 10. Sometimes it is an 'insurance policy' against mistakes - an FFL might lose his license if he is audited and found to have released guns early.When does the 30 days start for the handgun one in thirty days? When the dealer submits the DROS.Must I buy a lock? Generally, yes.What is a Private Party Transfer (PPT)? A PPT is a special kind of transfer where a seller with CA ID (or military ID and PCS orders to CA) meets a buyer with CA ID (or military ID and PCS orders to CA) at one CA FFL to make the transfer of a gun from seller to buyer.What is an intrafamilial transfer? An intrafamilial transfer is a special California-only thing. It comes in 2 forms:
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How long is a PO agency ten day waiver letter good from date signed,?
Is a Peace officer Agency 10 day waiver letter only applicable at time of purchase ? Example 1. PO buys two firearms w letter on the same day it’s good to go Example 2 same PO buys one firearm Friday w letter , then due to lack of funds or wife permission , comes back Monday to buy another firearm w same letter is it yeah or nay? Thank you Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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There are two types of letters One to waive ten day which my question is about And the other which I think your referring to is for full auto etc... See PM Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Thank you and agreed
LGS said they would honor the letter for thirty days from date signed Store policy Silly Ca Laws DOJ has every PO’s status on file There is no need for this rule or law It should be present an PO ID enter in DROs And see the results done If the issuing agency / dept wants to suspend the PO status they can flag your status at anytime Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Last edited by brad96cdc; 09-15-2018 at 1:19 PM.. |
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My local shop is looking for the corresponding PC for me buying a gun from a private party out of state, and shipped from an individual (not FFL). He was under the impression that is illegal, however I and I know many others who have done this many, many times.
He is looking for how he accepts it into his inventory and then proceeds with the dros and paperwork for me, the purchaser. Gun is standard bolt action long gun, no special circumstances like handgun or AW.
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Yes, the 1:30 only applies to dealer sales.
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This is probably a stupid question, however I haven't been able to find a definitive answer anywhere. I was finally able to get my real ID after the DMVs reopened. A day after receiving it in the mail, I went to Turners to start the DROS for a Glock17 that had been sitting in-store since March.
The DROS was submitted on 7/13 and I picked up the firearm yesterday. My question is: I'm interested in purchasing a firearm from a calguns member that's posted in the marketplace. I don't know if it matters, but it is a long gun. I'm not sure if that's a purchase I can make right away or if there's a waiting period before I can do so. I read that PPTs are exempt the 30 day wait, however I just want to make sure I'm not wasting anyone's time by setting up a meet and making the drive for no reason. If anyone that has experience with PPTs can help me out with this information, I'd really appreciate. |
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I read the part that both parties of a PPT need to be at the same FFL, but does it need to be at the same time?
For instance, if a seller were to go to the FFL and do his part of the paperwork, could I go to the FLL a few days later for my end of the paperwork? (I'm trying to buy a gun that's about 9 hours north in CA). I understand that I would then have to wait 10 days and return to the same FFL. Or am I wrong in believing they can't ship to another FFL after the 10 days? Thanks in advance |
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Yes in theory a DROS WORKSHEET can be done allowing buyer and seller to appear at different times. This is in fact how consignments work. And that is also where your idea may hit a snag. It is one thing for the dealer to hold it for a few hours, to allow the buyer to arrive and do his part. And this assumes the payment has all been arranged between the parties, leaving the FFL completely out of it. And most FFLs are only going to do this if one of the parties is well known (and liked) by the FFL. But if you plan on leaving a gun there for days, now there may be other issues. The FFL is perhaps required to log it onto his books. The transaction may be viewed as a consignment, which may have tax implications etc. So in short, it is possible in theory for buyer and seller to make seperate appearances but in practice is not often done and almost certainly not very likely if it spans days. Perhaps some of the FFLs here can enlighten us but this thread is sort of necro looking so you may not ever get more answers. |
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Hi everyone,
Not sure if this has been addressed here but I just learned about it recently so I have a stacked question.. What is the “Terrice” (spelling) form that FFL’s are supposed to submit to the ATF that reports multiple pistols or revolvers purchased from a nonlicensee within a 5 business day period and how does that effect the buyer? I’ve heard that it needs to be submitted when you do multiple PPT’s within 5 business days and I’ve heard it’s submitted when you pick up multiple (after the 10 day waiting period) within 5 business days, is it one or the other or both? Does it matter if they’re all on one Dros or multiple, is it only for PPT’s, and what if they’re from different FFL’s, how would they know? I know someone that just sold like 30 guns in a month but buyers can’t purchase 30 PPT’s in a month if they wanted? Obviously asking because it’d be nice to know if anything raises red flags that can be avoided and don’t understand why it matters if I happen to find multiple deals from different sellers within 5 days or pick up different guns from multiple sellers on the same day. Must be a California thing? TIA Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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It is a federal thing and basically it doesn't matter unless maybe you are on some government watch list. I have never once worried about it or planned around it, and I have had many filed for purchases I have made.
There is a current thread going here with some more info https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1657277 Last edited by SkyHawk; 10-15-2020 at 8:48 AM.. |
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I am in the process of moving out of California….
And I have a few handguns on consignment at a LGS do I need to get them back before I leave? And before I get a new DL/ID in my new state? (I’m keeping my CA house) but I’m buying a house in Kansas too. And thet will be my primary residence (the Kansas house)
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