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Old 01-23-2023, 5:29 PM
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Default 2023 S 25 : DiFi introduces new AW ban bill. Again.

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I just reintroduced the Assault Weapons Ban and Age 21 Act, two bills that would protect our communities and schools from assault weapons.
S 25 - https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-...ill/25?s=1&r=1 - no text as of 1-24

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Washington—Senators Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) and Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) today introduced a pair of bills to protect communities from assault weapons.

The Assault Weapons Ban would ban the sale, transfer, manufacture and importation of military-style assault weapons and high-capacity magazines and other high-capacity ammunition feeding devices. This includes the gun used by a shooter on January 22 to kill 11 people and injure 9 more at a Lunar New Year’s celebration in Monterey Park, Calif.

The Age 21 Act would raise the minimum age to purchase assault weapons from 18 to 21, the same requirement that currently exists in law for handguns.

Congressman David Cicilline (D-R.I) will introduce a companion version of the Assault Weapons Ban in the House of Representatives.
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Old 01-23-2023, 6:05 PM
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No mention of the fact that that is already illegal in CA and was obtained illegally?
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Old 01-23-2023, 10:29 PM
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It doesn't sound like she's introduced a 'new' bill so much as dusted off one that she 'reintroduces' on a regular and predictable basis.

2021...

2019...

2018...

2016...

2013...

2012...

Well... You get the idea.
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Old 01-24-2023, 10:23 AM
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Would pass Senate
Brick wall in House. Insufficient RINOS
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Old 01-24-2023, 10:54 AM
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Would pass Senate
Not sure about that. There are a few Dems from pro gun states that would probably vote no.
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Probably.
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No, it wouldn't. The Senate still has the filibuster, which still requires 60 votes. I can't believe that people still don't understand how the Senate works.

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No, it wouldn't. The Senate still has the filibuster, which still requires 60 votes. I can't believe that people still don't understand how the Senate works.
We had a chance of filibuster. Not now. Enough GOP will support this
All independents caucus with the Dems

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We had a chance of filibuster. Not now. Enough GOP will support this
All independents caucus with the Dems
Which GOP senators do you think will support this? I could see Romney, because he probably knows that he will be gone in the next election. On the other hand there is Jon Tester from Montana that has been pro 2A and will be up for election in 2024 along with Joe Manchin from West Virginia. Also, there is no way that a federal AW ban would not be fast tracked to SCOTUS with the added argument to overturn United States v Miller on the basis that the court applied the now overturned militia rational and that it cannot be squared with NYSRPA v Bruen.
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Romney, Lisa Murkowski, McConnel and any of the several others that voted for the Omnibus Bill which backdoor funds anti 2A actions.
In any event, I believe they would refuse to support a filibuster.

But it has no chance in the House
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Romney, Lisa Murkowski, McConnel and any of the several others that voted for the Omnibus Bill which backdoor funds anti 2A actions.
In any event, I believe they would refuse to support a filibuster.

But it has no chance in the House
I am no longer a fan of McConnel but he did stop Garland from getting on the high court. So you think that Lisa Murkowski would risk further ire of Alaska gun owners? Also, how is the campaign to dump Romney in 2024 going?
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I am no longer a fan of McConnel but he did stop Garland from getting on the high court. So you think that Lisa Murkowski would risk further ire of Alaska gun owners? Also, how is the campaign to dump Romney in 2024 going?
Bear in mind that McConnell's history in relation to the Court goes back decades. There's a thread discussing this, in depth. But, short version, watch this video...



Thus, it's not just about McConnell's votes related to SCOTUS in that he had an overriding, decades-long agenda in relation to that issue.

Murkowski is a 'complex' issue and it's not simply about 'risking the ire' of Alaska gun owners. In fact, her Republican opponent in 2022 ran, in part, on the idea that... Lisa Murkowski subverted our Second Amendment rights... and Murkowski still won.

Insofar as Romney, he hasn't yet said whether he's going to run in 2024. With that said, he's also a 'mixed bag' in terms of predicting his success/failure... Mitt Romney could face a 'divisive' re-election campaign in 2024 after backing both Trump impeachments and breaking with conservatives; i.e., his lack of support for Trump and his breaking with Republicans on many issues doesn't seem to be as reliable an indicator as we'd like/assume.

That's all the argument seems to be saying. It's not about whether the "RINO's" would support a so-called "assault weapons" ban in the Senate. It's about whether they would/could support a successful filibuster, emphasis on the word successful given the 'tricks' Democrats can, have, and will play.

Insofar as a 'fast track' to SCOTUS should a so-called "assault weapons" ban transpire... I'm not sure I'd rely on that or the outcome being exactly what we desire. I have faith in Thomas and, to a marginally lesser extent, Alito. I have a 'guarded' optimism in relation to Gorsuch. I'm still not entirely certain regarding regarding Barrett and Kavanaugh. Roberts is too 'unpredictable' in terms of his overriding agenda related to public perception of the Court.

Given the current push and push back among a number of States related to so-called "assault weapons," I'm also dubious that Federal legislation is in the offing. Not to mention, as I posted earlier, Feinstein seems to regularly reintroduce this with little success. But, what I am saying is not to rest too heavily on the incremental successes we've had and personal perceptions of individual politicians.

In other words, you're not necessarily 'wrong,' but your rationale needs a little 'tempering,' especially in light of your own "not sure" and "probably" in post #5 above.
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Feinswine didn't introduce anything, she is brain dead and the official weekend at Bernie's member of the senate.

Her staff did it like they do everything else for her. Looking forward to sending Newsolini in her place, the perfect place to get rid of useless California socialists.

We killed off Kameltoe's career that way.
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Feinswine didn't introduce anything, she is brain dead and the official weekend at Bernie's member of the senate.

Her staff did it like they do everything else for her. Looking forward to sending Newsolini in her place, the perfect place to get rid of useless California socialists.

We killed off Kameltoe's career that way.
I have my doubts that sending Newsolini to the Senate would be a career killer. Having him going for a drive with Pelosi's husband would seem a better tactic.
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Didnt the whole 21 thing get thrown out?
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Watch this one, I think she has a special permit from Federal Marshals for Assault pistols and she has history of carrying multiple.
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I am no longer a fan of McConnel but he did stop Garland from getting on the high court. So you think that Lisa Murkowski would risk further ire of Alaska gun owners? Also, how is the campaign to dump Romney in 2024 going?
Romney will not win 2024
His approval rating has waned since 2020

Majority of Utahns do not support his “your liberties mean nothing with COVID” comment

Utah has a very strong gun culture

Utah is closer to the far right than center

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You are correct about the political leaning in Utah, but perhaps you are underestimating the religious leanings. Romney has never been terribly conservative, such as being the originator of Obama care (Romney care, anyone?) yet still wins the state because Mormons are still around 2/3rds of the population.

It boils down to the party choosing somebody more palatable then the slew of clown car idjits we had in 2022.
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