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I'm fairly ignorant on all the laws but I'm slowly but surely getting caught up. I'm not even fully moved in here yet after many many months of moving stuff from out of state. It's been a h*ll of a process. Didnt have to worry about all this before. Now I come here and I knew it was bad but not like this. This is absolutely pure insanity. Thankfully I dont plan to stay for more than 2-3 years for personal reasons. Then I'm gone, over to the Nevada line and never coming back.
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One of the (several) mindless restrictions that are hard to explain: This bill makes it illegal to have a firearm anywhere on the property of an airport, including a parking structure, even if the firearm is unloaded in a locked case. So how exactly are you supposed to get to the luggage check-in counter to travel with a legally declared firearm (unloaded, in a locked case)? The bill makes it impossible to get that firearm from point A to B, to the check-in counter where it is still legal to declare it in checked baggage.
And then the part that applies the 1000’ GFSZ to people with CCW permits … so you have a permit, and you carry while driving since carjackings are a real thing. So this idiot Portantino expects you to map out every school along your route ahead of time, pull over at the boundary and put your gun into a locked case (unloaded), proceed through the 1000’ school zone, then on the other side pull over again to re-arm yourself to continue on your way? Every time you encounter a school? No, this bill is designed specifically to make it such a pain in the arse to carry, or so risky of getting cross-wise to the law, that people with CCW permits just stop carrying … or they carry illegally and are rendered ‘criminals’ and risk losing their right to own firearms for life (Exactly what liberals want). Last edited by dawgcasa; 02-06-2023 at 6:05 AM.. |
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Both of the following issues raised involve the potential conflict of this bill with existing federal statutes. They’ve been addressed in the bill.
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I think you are right about the grandstanding too. The problem for us Californians of course is that we will probably go the way of NY. Which means the law passes. Then we get an injunction. Then a stay of the injunction. Then a circuit court review and ruling. Until SCOTUS steps in and save us states CA, NJ, NY. Meanwhile we are orphans. We will be either obey their laws in between relief, or carry as felons during those periods. |
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SB 918, As Introduced on Feb 3, 2022, had nothing to do with CCW. It dealt with fees for ammunition purchases.It is more probably that the authors behind the NY law saw the SCOTUS writing on the wall and lobbied the CA governor to support a similar bill on the West Coast. With their background following the arguments against the NY law, the true authors (not Portantino) were able to craft provisions which might bypass the pitfalls of the NY statute. The addition of the Urgency clause would have provided immediate enactment creating confusion and allowing a rehearing of the issues through a different venue.
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So what do you mean by 'bypassing NY"? The only concession that SB918/SB-2 has made (as far as I know) to Bruen is the exemption for good cause. The rest of the opinion-ruling regarding concession to sensitive places but to be few and limited and historically justified is being ignored, like it doesn't exist. Too cute. Probably the 'true authors' of the bill were the staff Lawyers of EveryTown and/or Giffords. |
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The anti-gun lobby has decided to abandon finesse and obfuscation. Their strategy now is that by DARING the courts with extremely aggressive measures, that somewhere those measures stick in favorable (liberal) circuits, and that it takes another decade for the Supreme Court to address the circuit splits. If the balance of the Court shifts during that time, those extreme measures stick as the new precedent. The only real hope is that because these laws are a direct and openly intentional AFFRONT to Bruen, that the appeal process to SCOTUS is rapid. Last edited by dawgcasa; 03-12-2023 at 11:43 AM.. |
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What does the data show?
Why does the state not parade out and flaunt its data to show these new laws and restrictions actually work? How many convictions did the state have of CCW holders? How many people were arrested for illegally having a gun and convicted? How many red flag interventions were carried out that ultimately ended up with the legal gun owner surrendering their gun rights? How many CCW interactions did LEOs have? How many ammunition purchases and the quantity purchased against the number of "you cannot purchase ammo", not to be confused with DMV or DROS having incorrect information.
I am sure someone smarter than I can come up with a list of questions to ask but where is the data? Why is the data not talked about? Or does the data not match the story Newscum wants to tell.
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Long term this will not hold. History has shown that when CA overreaches they get their hand slapped by the courts. That takes a long time though. |
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According the VPC, there were three in California between 2007 and 2019, according to an article on the net, one of which was a dispute between neighbors that got out of control. There were no mass shootings by a CCW@ holder either. When the Legislature decided that CCW holders should not ba allowed any longer to carry on campus, not one incident of an accidental or intentional shooting on a California campus was demonstrated as the basis for the new law.
Debunking the VPCs claim of 1300 plus deaths, the Heritage foundation stated: "The anti-gun group defines “non-self-defense incident” to include virtually any fatality involving a concealed-carry permit holder, including ones that do not remotely resemble the type of intentional homicide evoked by the Violence Policy Center’s strong claims about public safety. For example, roughly 40% of the deaths (534 of 1,335) are suicides. While tragic, firearm suicides are not what a term like “concealed-carry killer” brings to mind." Instead, Heritage reports "According to the data, America’s 18 million concealed-carry permit holders accounted for 801 firearm-related homicides over a 15-year span, which amounts to roughly 0.7% of all firearm-related homicides during that time. That percentage drops even lower if any of the defendants in the 72 cases still pending in court are determined to have acted in lawful self-defense." (This was as of November 2019) |
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The Giffords gave CA Prop 63 to control ammo.
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So we can get the absurd replies with holier than thou, smarter than thou blabber. We live in a Putin style democratic tyranny where salvation is moving to a different state in the crumbling union.
I’ll pass and wait for the courts to sort it out long after I’m dust in the wind.
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And the Emails to Sacramento Is there a form letter to copy and send out
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Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the U.S. Constitution is commonly referred to as the Supremacy Clause. It establishes that the federal constitution, and federal law generally, take precedence over state laws, and even state constitutions.
Will not comply! FGN!!!!! |
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When politicians in Sacramento openly admit that they are ignoring the Constitution
https://youtu.be/rG5xWcV412E |
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Additionally, we must reach out to those impacted by stress, despair, etc. and encourage them to get professional help. This is particularly true for our veterans who may be experiencing hard times. To me, exercising constitutional rights and caring for neighbors in need (especially vets) are hallmarks of what it means to be an American. |
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I agree, however keep in mind with the severance-able clause. We will be fighting each point on its own merit, and just by finding one is unconstitutional, doesn’t mean the others get thrown out. This eventually could become a very long and drawn out litigation. |
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There is nothing that says that multiple--indeed all--of the separate provisions cannot be challenged in a single law suit.
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SB 2 is headed to the “Public Safety” committee - the one that was asleep at the wheel for the past decade. Suggestions anyone? Like why the CA Sheriff’s Association opposed that bill last time? Or is this going to be just another unopposed photo op for Moms without action in their orange jump suits?
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...stNav=tracking |
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You register as a lobbyist. However, in days past, the analyses often contained a reference to “Private Citizen” in Support or Opposition.
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So got to have deep pockets in California to have a voice. My senator and assembly member don't even bother with a canned response when I send opposition letters. Representation? Not so much.
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Looks like Hawaii is trying to pass another copycat law.
Don't know if everyone is familiar with this channel. This guy is a member of the Supreme Court Bar and had been quoted by St. Benitez himself. https://youtu.be/wgNlUs0VRjE |
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Like Ca., NJ, NY, it is a giant hissy fit that they know is unconstitutional per Heller and Bruen. They know they will lose eventually, if not this year, but in the meantime, they can throw their giant hissy fit at the expense of logic and prudence. |
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BTW, one of the things that struck me when listening to Bonta pontificate regarding SB2 and private commercial property, was, and I quote "people don't need to take their guns shopping!"
It doesn't get any more ridiculous, illogical, elitist or condescending than that. This is the mentality we're dealing with. |
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What I don’t get about the pols stance on passing a highly restrictive where you can carry law is that before all this, the elitests freely gave permits to other elitites, judges, etc. They protected their own before.
If this passes, what will those “elites” do? Carry anyway with a wink that the law/DAs won’t go after them? They will be on a super secret elitest CCW list? |
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Their body guards are Sworn Officers, so it doesn't apply to them.
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I don’t think logic or constitutional law is part of their mental calculus at all. These liberals have a goal: eliminate guns among the civilian population. They aren’t stupid, just zealous. And they don’t really care that their laws are ridiculous, illogical, unconstitutional, whatever. All these things, all their public shirt ripping about gun violence and mass shootings, are simply kabuki theater to provide a thin veil of righteousness for the impressionable masses. The sad thing is that it is the minority and disadvantaged communities that are most racked by gun violence, and it is these very communities that keep voting for the liberal despots bent upon disarming lawful, responsible people in those communities. You wonder what it will take for them to wake up to the fact that it is these liberal Democrats that want to keep them in these failing communities and schools?
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Has anyone compared this year’s version of the bill to last year’s? If so, besides being non urgency this year to make it easier to pass, are there any substantial changes? Please PM me since I don’t get around here too often anymore. Thx!
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...d=202320240SB2
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CHP runs the Dignitary Protection Section (DPS) which operates from both Los Angeles and Sacramento and is responsible for the protection of state constitutional officers including: the Governor, First Lady, Lieutenant Governor, Secretary of State, State Treasurer, State Controller, State Superintendent of Public Instruction, and the State Insurance Commissioner. When directed by the Commissioner’s Office, DPS provides protective services to other elected officials.
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Takes a stroke of a pen to make it a law and then years of litigation and millions of dollars to overturn it.
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No oversight…straight from the CHP.. The Assembly and Senate Sergeants-at-Arms offices may, in limited circumstances provide, dignitary protection for legislators when a need is identified.
The AG office has its own law enforcement arm of Special Agents. They cover the AG.
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Excuse my ignorance but is SB 2 a law yet or will it be voted on?
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