CA320 on Roster

[09cs]

Originally Posted by morrcarr67

That's news to me.

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Originally Posted by matt2016

An FFL asked them at Shot Show, and they told them it was a custom works FCU in black.

Hopefully Franklin can chime in and clear it up

[NorCalBusa]

Originally Posted by matt2016

An FFL asked them at Shot Show, and they told them it was a custom works FCU in black.

See post #187

[09cs]

Originally Posted by franklinarmory

We receive the FCU from Sig.

Originally Posted by franklinarmory

"Yes sir, someone in your booth did say the exact words"

Then I apologize to you and 2A Zone for our comment.

Originally Posted by NorCalBusa

See post #187

2nd quote above is post 187, and the top one before that is the only other mention of the FCU I saw from FA. I didn't see any clarification if it's their CW FCU, or standard one

[Nick3]

Originally Posted by 09cs

2nd quote above is post 187, and the top one before that is the only other mention of the FCU I saw from FA. I didn't see any clarification if it's their CW FCU, or standard one

It would be good to get more technical details in general, but specifically on the FCU used.

[09cs]

Originally Posted by Nick3

It would be good to get more technical details in general, but specifically on the FCU used.

Hopefully FA will chime in.

[Rover]

Originally Posted by Nick3

It would be good to get more technical details in general, but specifically on the FCU used.

Pure speculation, but I do not believe it's the customworks simply based on the trigger, the CW comes with the special trigger, and no manual safety. The trigger and plating are also the only real differences between a CW FCU and a standard one, so if they're using the basic FCU off an M18/17 the only loss is the trigger and cool plating.

Originally Posted by gun toting monkeyboy

Okay, I know you guys love stating that "all the grips fit it." However, what he was asking is which grips will drop on to it without having to change the slide or other major parts. Since it has the 3.9 inch barrel, and comes with the safety, you can swap it into either the compact or carry grip frames that are set up to run with the safety. Both of those will work with the slide length it comes with i believe. And those basic frames from Sig are running around $37 right now online. I believe Wilson Combat and maybe others make after market grip frames as well, if you prefer those instead. I think those are going for $47-55 online. The funny thing is that the basic 10 round magazines we need for here in the People's Republic cost more than the grip frames do.

The thing that stops it fitting in specific grip modules is the safety, not the barrel/slide length. I have a every combo of slides, barrels and grip modules I can think of and a full size slide in an X Carry frame is the best looking one, but my comped compact slide in a full size with the DC cut down is pretty sweet too. Finding grip modules for use with a manual safety is a lot harder, but as has been mentioned in this thread, deleting the manual safety is cheap/easy.

If it makes you feel better, the mags are more expensive than the basic grip frames in every state. P320 mags are expensive, not sure why Mec Gar hasn't brought their own to market, their 226 mags are the bee's knees. Until then, grab an Icarus grip module, they'll make the mags look cheap by comparison

[09cs]

Originally Posted by Rover

Pure speculation, but I do not believe it's the customworks simply based on the trigger, the CW comes with the special trigger, and no manual safety. The trigger and plating are also the only real differences between a CW FCU and a standard one, so if they're using the basic FCU off an M18/17 the only loss is the trigger and cool plating.




The thing that stops it fitting in specific grip modules is the safety, not the barrel/slide length. I have a every combo of slides, barrels and grip modules I can think of and a full size slide in an X Carry frame is the best looking one, but my comped compact slide in a full size with the DC cut down is pretty sweet too. Finding grip modules for use with a manual safety is a lot harder, but as has been mentioned in this thread, deleting the manual safety is cheap/easy.

If it makes you feel better, the mags are more expensive than the basic grip frames in every state. P320 mags are expensive, not sure why Mec Gar hasn't brought their own to market, their 226 mags are the bee's knees. Until then, grab an Icarus grip module, they'll make the mags look cheap by comparison

Since you seem to know your way around the 320 platform, would you say the price increase over the FA320 and the 2A Zone one that has the CW FCU/no manual safety is not worth the increase in price?

[Nick3]

Originally Posted by 09cs

Hopefully FA will chime in.

yes
wink wink
nudge nudge
*cough*

[09cs]

I’m still holding out for the foster case before buying this lol

[LEAD LAUNCHER]

Originally Posted by 09cs

Hopefully Franklin can chime in and clear it up

Originally Posted by Nick3

It would be good to get more technical details in general, but specifically on the FCU used.

This^^^

Bumping for interest.

[Rover]

Originally Posted by 09cs

Since you seem to know your way around the 320 platform, would you say the price increase over the FA320 and the 2A Zone one that has the CW FCU/no manual safety is not worth the increase in price?

No, I commend 2AZ for doing it, but what you get from FA is a much better value IMHO. The Sig slide and barrel that come with the FA are likely a much better pair than the aftermarket parts 2AZ is using, (don't know who's aftermarket parts 2AZ is using, some are great, some are cheap for a reason) and if nothing else will have a higher resale value.

The 2AZ uses an OEM Sig grip module, so there's a chance you may be able to remove the sled, but that's only saving you $40, and even then only if you want the compact grip module anyway.

[09cs]

Originally Posted by Rover

No, I commend 2AZ for doing it, but what you get from FA is a much better value IMHO. The Sig slide and barrel that come with the FA are likely a much better pair than the aftermarket parts 2AZ is using, (don't know who's aftermarket parts 2AZ is using, some are great, some are cheap for a reason) and if nothing else will have a higher resale value.

The 2AZ uses an OEM Sig grip module, so there's a chance you may be able to remove the sled, but that's only saving you $40, and even then only if you want the compact grip module anyway.

Great to know, thanks!

[Darto]

Originally Posted by Tikka3x

Next in line

[rsrocket1]

FWIW, I bought a Custom Works FCU last year for my P320 40 S&W Caliber Xchange kit so that I wouldn't have to swap FCU's between it and my M17.



The stock P320 trigger is "utilitarian". Not great like on the PDP, VP9, or M&P9/40 with the Apex FSS upgrade but not bad either.

The CW trigger was considerably worse with a heavier pull, more travel and a less defined break so I bought an Apex FSS kit (flat type) for it and it made it much better. I liked the FDE slotted trigger from the CW FCU so I put that on the FCU which came with the M17 so that now the M17 9mm has a trigger pull of 3 lbs, 2 oz while the 40 with the FSS upgrade has a pull of 4 lbs, 2 oz.



The bottom line is that I think the triggers can be hit or miss. For another $133 on eBay or $85 for just the FSS bar without the trigger, you can improve it considerably with the Apex FSS kit.

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Originally Posted by rsrocket1

FWIW, I bought a Custom Works FCU last year for my P320 40 S&W Caliber Xchange kit so that I wouldn't have to swap FCU's between it and my M17.



The stock P320 trigger is "utilitarian". Not great like on the PDP, VP9, or M&P9/40 with the Apex FSS upgrade but not bad either.

The CW trigger was considerably worse with a heavier pull, more travel and a less defined break so I bought an Apex FSS kit (flat type) for it and it made it much better. I liked the FDE slotted trigger from the CW FCU so I put that on the FCU which came with the M17 so that now the M17 9mm has a trigger pull of 3 lbs, 2 oz while the 40 with the FSS upgrade has a pull of 4 lbs, 2 oz.



The bottom line is that I think the triggers can be hit or miss. For another $133 on eBay or $85 for just the FSS bar without the trigger, you can improve it considerably with the Apex FSS kit.

Huh..interesting.

I thought it was a no brainer that the Gold would have a noticeably better trigger.

I can't compare my son's gold equipped 320's trigger to my stock 320's trigger right now-but he said the gold is noticeably better. And IIRC I think he is right.

Of course they are SUPPOSED to be better, because of coating and straight trigger-right?



Anyway...perhaps apples and oranges -but I just compared my stock 320 trigger to my p365 w/gold fcu trigger and...the gold is MAYBE a little lighter pull...but substantially creepier. My stock plain old 320 trigger/fcu is really good.

I'm not replacing it.

of course, I'm comparing it to my CZ p10 trigger(meh-I'm going to upgrade it), my Shield trigger(slightly less than meh-heavier but crisper than Glock-but serviceable for carry and I won't spend $$ to upgrade), and my stock G20 trigger which, of course, being a stock Glock trigger, is complete trash.

[dearjohn013]

I called my local FFL.

He explained that, most likely, FA used Sig OEM FCU to manufacture & create new serial numbers for the single-action CA320.

Because the FCU is the firearm and registered with DOJ as single-action, it's probably not a good idea to knowingly purchase single-action and convert it to semi-auto.

Anyone can attach a threaded barrel and extended mag after purchasing a gun, but in the eye of the law, these conversions are all illegal in California.

Maybe FA can answer if the FCU is registered as Single Action or Multi Cal.

[morrcarr67]

Originally Posted by dearjohn013

I called my local FFL.

He explained that, most likely, FA used Sig OEM FCU to manufacture & create new serial numbers for the single-action CA320.

Because the FCU is the firearm and registered with DOJ as single-action, it's probably not a good idea to knowingly purchase single-action and convert it to semi-auto.

Anyone can attach a threaded barrel and extended mag after purchasing a gun, but in the eye of the law, these conversions are all illegal in California.

Maybe FA can answer if the FCU is registered as Single Action or Multi Cal.

Your dealer is wrong. There are no laws prohibiting you from modifying a firearm that you have bought. There are laws prohibiting some features. As long as you don't add a feature that is prohibited by law, you have done nothing illegal.

[dearjohn013]

Originally Posted by morrcarr67

Your dealer is wrong. There are no laws prohibiting you from modifying a firearm that you have bought. There are laws prohibiting some features. As long as you don't add a feature that is prohibited by law, you have done nothing illegal.

Important Notice
Regarding Single Shot Pistols Purchased by the Public
Purchasers should be aware that aftermarket changes or modifications made to certain single shot
pistols (i.e. changing upper receivers, connecting gas tubes) may be considered manufacturing these
pistols into assault weapons. See California Penal Code section 30515, subdivision (a)(1), for a list of
assault weapon characteristics. The purchaser could be in violation of Penal Code section 30600,
prohibiting the manufacture of assault weapons, and Penal Code section 30605(a), prohibiting the
possession of unregistered assault weapons.
In addition to the above considerations, alterations of a single shot pistol (i.e. changing upper receivers,
connecting gas tubes) may also be considered manufacturing an unsafe handgun. See California Penal
Code sections 31900-31910 for the definition of unsafe handguns and 32000(a) for more information on
illegal acts involving unsafe handguns.
Should you have any questions, please contact the Bureau of Firearms, Customer Support Center at
(855) 365-3767 or via e-mail at bofdes@doj.ca.gov


How about you call this number and ask?

[Quiet]

Originally Posted by dearjohn013

Important Notice
Regarding Single Shot Pistols Purchased by the Public
Purchasers should be aware that aftermarket changes or modifications made to certain single shot
pistols (i.e. changing upper receivers, connecting gas tubes) may be considered manufacturing these
pistols into assault weapons. See California Penal Code section 30515, subdivision (a)(1), for a list of
assault weapon characteristics. The purchaser could be in violation of Penal Code section 30600,
prohibiting the manufacture of assault weapons, and Penal Code section 30605(a), prohibiting the
possession of unregistered assault weapons.
In addition to the above considerations, alterations of a single shot pistol (i.e. changing upper receivers,
connecting gas tubes) may also be considered manufacturing an unsafe handgun. See California Penal
Code sections 31900-31910 for the definition of unsafe handguns and 32000(a) for more information on
illegal acts involving unsafe handguns.
Should you have any questions, please contact the Bureau of Firearms, Customer Support Center at
(855) 365-3767 or via e-mail at bofdes@doj.ca.gov


How about you call this number and ask?

Per CA DOJ BOF...

That only applies to dimensionally compliant bolt-action single-shot pistols and dimensionally compliant break-open single-shot pistols because those pistols are exempt from CA unsafe handgun laws and modifying them into another configuration removes their exempt status and is considered manufacturing an illegal unsafe handgun and/or illegal assault weapon, depending on how it is configured.

It does not apply to revolvers, semi-auto pistols, manually operated (bolt-action, pump-action, lever-action) repeating pistols, and on-Roster single-shot pistols.
^On-Roster single-shot pistols are compliant with CA unsafe handgun laws and there are no CA laws/regulations that prohibits an on-Roster handgun from being modified into another type of configuration that is not an illegal prohibited weapon (assault weapon, SBR, SBS, etc).

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Originally Posted by Quiet

Per CA DOJ BOF...

That only applies to dimensionally compliant bolt-action single-shot pistols and dimensionally compliant break-open single-shot pistols because those pistols are exempt from CA unsafe handgun laws and modifying them into another configuration removes their exempt status and is considered manufacturing an illegal unsafe handgun and/or illegal assault weapon, depending on how it is configured.

It does not apply to revolvers, semi-auto pistols, manually operated (bolt-action, pump-action, lever-action) repeating pistols, and on-Roster single-shot pistols.
^On-Roster single-shot pistols are compliant with CA unsafe handgun laws and there are no CA laws/regulations that prohibits an on-Roster handgun from being modified into another type of configuration that is not an illegal prohibited weapon (assault weapon, SBR, SBS, etc).

Thank you Quiet for responding to that Fudd poster!

I was contemplating on starting to type a response- but it, perhaps, may have bordered on inappropriate...

[09cs]

Deposit placed for a CA320! Thanks for all you do FA.

[Nick3]

Originally Posted by 09cs

Deposit placed for a CA320! Thanks for all you do FA.

whereat

[morrcarr67]

Originally Posted by dearjohn013

Important Notice
Regarding Single Shot Pistols Purchased by the Public
Purchasers should be aware that aftermarket changes or modifications made to certain single shot pistols (i.e. changing upper receivers, connecting gas tubes) may be considered manufacturing these pistols into assault weapons. See California Penal Code section 30515, subdivision (a)(1), for a list of assault weapon characteristics.
The purchaser could be in violation of Penal Code section 30600, prohibiting the manufacture of assault weapons, and Penal Code section 30605(a), prohibiting the possession of unregistered assault weapons. In addition to the above considerations, alterations of a single shot pistol (i.e. changing upper receivers,
connecting gas tubes) may also be considered manufacturing an unsafe handgun. See California Penal Code sections 31900-31910 for the definition of unsafe handguns and 32000(a) for more information on illegal acts involving unsafe handguns. Should you have any questions, please contact the Bureau of Firearms, Customer Support Center at (855) 365-3767 or via e-mail at bofdes@doj.ca.gov


How about you call this number and ask?

Originally Posted by Quiet

Per CA DOJ BOF...

That only applies to dimensionally compliant bolt-action single-shot pistols and dimensionally compliant break-open single-shot pistols because those pistols are exempt from CA unsafe handgun laws and modifying them into another configuration removes their exempt status and is considered manufacturing an illegal unsafe handgun and/or illegal assault weapon, depending on how it is configured.

It does not apply to revolvers, semi-auto pistols, manually operated (bolt-action, pump-action, lever-action) repeating pistols, and on-Roster single-shot pistols.
^On-Roster single-shot pistols are compliant with CA unsafe handgun laws and there are no CA laws/regulations that prohibits an on-Roster handgun from being modified into another type of configuration that is not an illegal prohibited weapon (assault weapon, SBR, SBS, etc).

That is a "bulletin" issued by the CA DOJ. As Quiet mentions it is about pistols made as exempt pistols.

And, despite what some people would have you believe. This bulletin is not "law". There is no law in CA prohibiting you from modifying any firearm you have bought.

If you read the bulletin it is clearly written to discourage you from modifying your firearm. But the use of the words "may" and "could" are there to show you that depending on who did what you may or may not be doing something wrong.

The whole thing about modifying an exempt pistol being considered manufacturing is based on a new definition of manufacturing in a different circuit court. It's based on that they determined that if the person/company who manufactured a firearm and then the same person/company modified it into a different configuration it was considered to be a continuation of the manufacturing process.

If you buy a single shot pistol; even a roster exempt pistol, so long as the person/company doesn't do the modifications on the firearm there is no "continued manufacturing" being done. That's why companies that are offering single shot roster exempt pistols will not do any work on them that would change how they function. Though you; as not the original manufacture, can do any modifications you like so long as you do not violate any "laws" that are currently written.

Also keep in mind that no one; that I know of, has been charged with "manufacturing" an unsafe handgun by modifying a single shot pistol they have bought. And, until there is a case law about it. That bulletin is just that, a bulletin.

[car15]

Where at ?
Here , scroll down alittle.
https://www.turners.com/

[franklinarmory]

I didn't realize we had a pending question until this morning.

The FCU is not a CW trigger. It is an "X-Series" MS trigger. I think you'll like it.

[09cs]

Originally Posted by Nick3

whereat

Martin B. Retting

[09cs]

Originally Posted by franklinarmory

I didn't realize we had a pending question until this morning.

The FCU is not a CW trigger. It is an "X-Series" MS trigger. I think you'll like it.

Thanks for chiming in and clearing that up

[ugimports]

Originally Posted by morrcarr67

...That's why companies that are offering single shot roster exempt pistols will not do any work on them that would change how they function...

SVI has 1 model that they sell to CA as SSE Roster Exempt.. and then after customer completes DROS they send complete unit back to SVI to convert into target pistol.. so that conflicts with the statement above..

Now, I've only transferred 1 or 2 of these so maybe for SVI it's an exception basis only and not something they regularly do..I don't know..

[morrcarr67]

Originally Posted by ugimports

SVI has 1 model that they sell to CA as SSE Roster Exempt.. and then after customer completes DROS they send complete unit back to SVI to convert into target pistol.. so that conflicts with the statement above..

Now, I've only transferred 1 or 2 of these so maybe for SVI it's an exception basis only and not something they regularly do..I don't know..

Interesting. I did not know that they were doing that. Maybe they are doing that because they aren't in CA?

Regardless of why they are doing it I'm glad to hear that they are, and appreciate the info.

[thinkingbear]

I just got back from pre-paying and filling out my DROS paperwork at my LGS. They said they will definitely be getting some in stock this month, but will only be getting 1 or 2 at a time and can't say for sure when. When they do, I get the first. They are a small shop in Folsom so hopefully bigger stores will have better availability. They did mention they are prohibited from advertising a price lower than $939.99 and felt pretty confident mine would be out of jail and in my hands by the end of the month. We'll see. Still not sure I'll have any issues getting it on my CCW permit in Sac County, but I'm just so stoked for it I don't really care. Romeo 1 Pro, or Holosun + RMR plate? I'm leaning towards the latter.

[Quiet]

Originally Posted by ugimports

SVI has 1 model that they sell to CA as SSE Roster Exempt.. and then after customer completes DROS they send complete unit back to SVI to convert into target pistol.. so that conflicts with the statement above..

Now, I've only transferred 1 or 2 of these so maybe for SVI it's an exception basis only and not something they regularly do..I don't know..

SVI has their base model on-Roster.

After it is transferred (DROS'd), the owner then sends it to SVI, who then customizes to actual configuration that the owner wanted. Since SVI uses the same receiver and the serial numbers do not change, the handgun can be shipped directly back to the owner after it is reconfigured to how the customer intended it to be.

[ugimports]

Originally Posted by Quiet

SVI has their base model on-Roster.

After it is transferred (DROS'd), the owner then sends it to SVI, who then customizes to actual configuration that the owner wanted. Since SVI uses the same receiver and the serial numbers do not change, the handgun can be shipped directly back to the owner after it is reconfigured to how the customer intended it to be.

I've done a few of these the way you describe as well.

[09cs]

Which grip module do you guys recommend? Also do you recommend keeping the manual safety or removing? I currently ccw glocks, so used to not having one

[morrcarr67]

Originally Posted by 09cs

Which grip module do you guys recommend? Also do you recommend keeping the manual safety or removing? I currently ccw glocks, so used to not having one

I personally think the best grip frame for the 3.9" slide/barrel is the compact (10/15 magazines). I don't have anything against the Sig grip frame, but I really like my WC compact grip frame.

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[Karch]

Originally Posted by morrcarr67

I personally think the best grip frame for the 3.9" slide/barrel is the compact (10/15 magazines). I don't have anything against the Sig grip frame, but I really like my WC compact grip frame.

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I picked one up a few months ago along with a tungsten weight kit.

It feels great in the hand and it shoots really well.


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[09cs]

What is the weight kit?

Morrcare, did you remove or keep the safety?

[Karch]

Originally Posted by 09cs

What is the weight kit?

Morrcare, did you remove or keep the safety?

https://shopwilsoncombat.com/GRIP-WE...uctinfo/NW734/


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[09cs]

Thank you

[morrcarr67]

Originally Posted by 09cs

What is the weight kit?

Morrcare, did you remove or keep the safety?

The gun I bought is a Free America model, it didn't come with the safety. I believe there are only few states that requires the safety and those models are pretty much only sold in those states unless someone in Free America specials orders on with the safety.

My new to me P365XL does have the MS and I might be removing that one, not sure yet. You can remove the one from the P320 but you have to replace/add some parts to make it function without the safety. Or, you can keep the safety and just not engage it. Though; with the P320, I'm not sure how safe that will be. I don't know what functions those other parts do if you remove the safety. They may be there to make the action safe without the safety. On the P365 there are not parts to replace/add so I could easily just run it with out engaging the safety.

Here's my P320 and P365

[morrcarr67]

Originally Posted by Karch

I picked one up a few months ago along with a tungsten weight kit.

It feels great in the hand and it shoots really well.


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Cool. I've been thinking about getting the weight kit. Thanks for the insight.