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Old 08-08-2022, 5:06 AM
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Since we have to use non lead in California, itís probably going to be copper. In my experience that copper needs to be moving fast. 243 doesnít cut it. My favorite is 7-08 traveling at about 3,000 ft / sec. One shot and done on 4 pigs so far.

Using a .444 Marlin with copper didnít stop a 200 pound pig never to be seen again
Sounds like you have a hard time hitting where you should . My daughter hunts exclusively with a 243 break action and has one shot one killed 2 pigs and a deer since her 12th b-day last august . Iíve killed pigs for years with 223 and 22-250ís Iíve never had pig with a well aimed shot go more that 25 yds Ö the 3rd or 4th one while jacking rounds sure but never one I had time to aim on
My vote for the BEST California round except elk and sheep would be the 243 followed by the 257 bob .
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Old 08-08-2022, 5:13 AM
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Old 08-08-2022, 10:24 AM
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I agree that the one you can shoot well that you can find plenty of ammo for is the way to go. Last year I couldn't find any non lead ammo for my 6.5 Creed. I looked from about December of 2020 through about August of 2021. Decided to buy a new rifle in a caliber that I could find non lead ammo. I actually bought the ammo first. I was at Turner's and they had six boxes of .257 Weatherby in two varieties with Barnes TTSX. I bought all six and then went home and ordered a Vanguard in the same caliber.

Since I got the 257 I've started checking out the idea of a Wyoming pronghorn hunt. It will most likely happen in the next two years. I probably wouldn't even be thinking about it if I hadn't bought the 257.

Funny thing, after finding two more boxes of ammo before I was able to take the rifle home I realized I spent more on the ammo than the rifle. Oh well.
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Old 08-09-2022, 8:01 AM
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I agree that the one you can shoot well that you can find plenty of ammo for is the way to go. Last year I couldn't find any non lead ammo for my 6.5 Creed. I looked from about December of 2020 through about August of 2021. Decided to buy a new rifle in a caliber that I could find non lead ammo. I actually bought the ammo first. I was at Turner's and they had six boxes of .257 Weatherby in two varieties with Barnes TTSX. I bought all six and then went home and ordered a Vanguard in the same caliber.

Since I got the 257 I've started checking out the idea of a Wyoming pronghorn hunt. It will most likely happen in the next two years. I probably wouldn't even be thinking about it if I hadn't bought the 257.

Funny thing, after finding two more boxes of ammo before I was able to take the rifle home I realized I spent more on the ammo than the rifle. Oh well.
That 6.5 creed may actually do a better job bucking wind on longer shots in WY. It's easier to account for bullet drop than wind but you gotta shoot what you can get ammo for!
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Old 08-09-2022, 9:07 AM
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dare I saw 6.5 CM.... My hunting rifle now is chambered in 300wsm but I am rebarrling it to 7 saum which is just better for long range shots, as I use this out of stay as well. For me the 7 saum is the perfect hunting catridge.
Enough velocity and energy to be effective out to 1200 yards (Ill never take that long of a shot on game)
but it is also low recoiling, and has high bc bullets etc.
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Old 08-09-2022, 6:43 PM
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A caliber that has non lead ammo readily available. .243, any 30 cal. 270.
I handload so ammo no issue for me. I shoot 6.8 spc for hogs and deer. Also have .308, 30/06 amd .300 win mag for bigger game.
6.8spc is ok for close range deer/pigs. But drops off in trajectory/velocity too fast to be a good all around deer cartridge.
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If you are going with 6.5 CM you might as well make 6 CM if it is going to shoot copper. Velocity rules with copper and bullet weight is less of a factor.


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If you are going with 6.5 CM you might as well make 6 CM if it is going to shoot copper. Velocity rules with copper and bullet weight is less of a factor.


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Or you could not be a doucher and just shoot a 243 or 6mm
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If you are going with 6.5 CM you might as well make 6 CM if it is going to shoot copper. Velocity rules with copper and bullet weight is less of a factor.


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But that flies in the face of the crowd that evidently forgets to bring ammo
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Since we have to use non lead in California, itís probably going to be copper. In my experience that copper needs to be moving fast. 243 doesnít cut it. My favorite is 7-08 traveling at about 3,000 ft / sec. One shot and done on 4 pigs so far.

Using a .444 Marlin with copper didnít stop a 200 pound pig never to be seen again
Iím gonna question the logic here as well.

Some of the early copper pooped out around 280. Regardless, even those rounds shot flat and looked fine to 250.

I thought .243 was a barrel burner? Why would copper be slower than lead?
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Barnes data has the minimum load over 3k fps for big game bullets in 243, tops out at about 3400. 7mm-08 is 50-100ft slower over the same range for the lightest bullet they have data for. Pretty sure either can get the job done. Pretty sure 444 marlin is sufficient too.
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