Sheriff Gore Aims to Issue More Concealed Gun Permits in San Diego County

[dangerzone002]

Moved to SD from a ban county and I've been lazy about applying. After the ruling yesterday I thought I should apply before the system really gets jammed up. The first appointment was Jan 9! I guess I keep looking to see if anything frees up earlier.

[asymmetricalwarfar3]

They better get some more rubber stamps!......

[TKM]

Valentines Day.... I hope the investigator is hot.

[Oldboyjun]

Well, after going back and forth all day, I finally submitted my application. There’s going to be a massive influx of CCW applications in the coming days/weeks/months and I figured I better get in line now. Business is about to be booming for CCW instructors.

[L84CABO]

Originally Posted by TKM

Valentines Day.... I hope the investigator is hot.

Don't worry. HE is.

[dangerzone002]

Anybody know if we can get our training in before the appointment?


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[TKM]

All of the information that you will need is on the website. 14 pages of instructions.

[pilotwings]

With 5+ months just to get the first paperwork appointment, this being before the ruling, I can't imagine how long it will take after thousands more apply. The good cause statement seems like it would be the least time consuming part of the process.

[asymmetricalwarfar3]

Think they'll pull my app out of the Peruta file and put me in front of the line?

[TheIE]

Do we still need to fill out the good cause part with the ruling?

[asymmetricalwarfar3]

Originally Posted by TheIE

Do we still need to fill out the good cause part with the ruling?

I put self defense.

[eaglemike]

A friend checked out the wait time for the first appt today - Some time Apr 2023. Hope they can find a way to be more efficient, or find more processors.

[Jimi Jah]

Endless delays are as effective as a ban.

[HKBigboy]

Originally Posted by Jimi Jah

Endless delays are as effective as a ban.

court already said, licensed with reasonable timeframe wonder how long before more lawsuits are filled for delays.

[mjv]

I think the process will speed up significantly or at least in theory now that good cause is eliminated. That is where the delay is IMO. Now that they can standardize all the checks and process for each applicant the only limiting factor should be the amount of applications vs the amount of staff.

Application complete>background clean>Class taken>fees paid>approved is how I imagine it.

[L84CABO]

Originally Posted by mjv

I think the process will speed up significantly or at least in theory now that good cause is eliminated. That is where the delay is IMO. Now that they can standardize all the checks and process for each applicant the only limiting factor should be the amount of applications vs the amount of staff.

Application complete>background clean>Class taken>fees paid>approved is how I imagine it.

It all depends on what shenanigans Newscum and Bonta pull. If they start throwing in requirements like a psych test, reference letters, etc., it's going to get uglier.

[Totethemthangs85]

Had my interview yesterday. They said it's taking like 100 days right now. Especially since the influx of calls/Applications they're getting. It shouldn't effect existing applicants, but looks like they're just trying to buy time. Had to initial my good cause statement too. The lady didn't say anything about whether or not it will be the deciding factor though.

[Super Villain]

Will be curious to see how this affects renewals. Can you imagine having a CCW for 6 years or so and now suddenly for your next renewal there is closer "moral character" scrutiny? Or worse yet they subjectively deny your renewal on that basis...yet you were perfectly fine to conceal carry for years before...they'll have some explaining to do when that lawsuit hits.

[L84CABO]

Originally Posted by Super Villain

Will be curious to see how this affects renewals. Can you imagine having a CCW for 6 years or so and now suddenly for your next renewal there is closer "moral character" scrutiny? Or worse yet they subjectively deny your renewal on that basis...yet you were perfectly fine to conceal carry for years before...they'll have some explaining to do when that lawsuit hits.

Oh yea. I can ABSOLUTELY imagine that nonsense.

Can you imagine the San Diego Sheriff asking for a 200% fee increase? He's already asked for it.

Can you imagine Newscum adding a psych eval requirement to the state requirements...and how much that will cost? Probably a minimum of $150.

At what point does the financial cost of exercising my God given and constitutionally protected right become excessively burdensome?

Because I would argue we're already way past that point...$400-ish for the initial permit and $200-ish every two freaking years?

[Jimi Jah]

So after all the expense and hassle to go through this process the clowns of Excremento dox you and tell every criminal how many and which guns you have?

[9Cal_OC]

Thought I’d cross-post SB918 below. If and when you do get issued, see changes to CCW application process for all counties and restricted areas. This just passed committee and will need to be voted on.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...202120220SB918

26230. (a) A person granted a license to carry a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person pursuant to Section 26150, 26155, or 26170 shall not carry a firearm on or into any of the following:
(1) A place prohibited by Section 626.9.
(2) A building, real property, or parking area under the control of a preschool or childcare facility, including a room or portion of a building under the control of a preschool or childcare facility. Nothing in this paragraph shall prevent the operator of a childcare facility in a family home from owning or possessing a firearm in the home if no child under child care at the home is present in the home or the firearm in the home is unloaded, stored in a locked container, and stored separately from ammunition when a child under child care at the home is present in the home so long as the childcare provider notifies clients that there is a firearm in the home.
(3) A building, parking area, or portion of a building under the control of an officer of the executive or legislative branch of the state government.
(4) A building designated for a court proceeding, including matters before a superior court, district court of appeal, or the California Supreme Court, parking area under the control of the owner or operator of that building, or a building or portion of a building under the control of the Supreme Court.
(5) A building, parking area, or portion of a building under the control of a unit of local government, unless the firearm is being carried for purposes of training pursuant to Section 26165.
(6) A building, real property, and parking area under the control of an adult or juvenile detention or correctional institution, prison, or jail.
(7) A building, real property, and parking area under the control of a public or private hospital or hospital affiliate, mental health facility, nursing home, medical office, urgent care facility, or other place at which medical services are customarily provided.
(8) A bus, train, or other form of transportation paid for in whole or in part with public funds, and a building, real property, or parking area under the control of a transportation authority supported in whole or in part with public funds.
(9) A building, real property, and parking area under the control of a vendor or an establishment where intoxicating liquor is sold for consumption on the premises.
(10) A public gathering or special event conducted on property open to the public that requires the issuance of a permit from a federal, state, or local government and sidewalk or street immediately adjacent to the public gathering or special event but is not more than 1,000 feet from the event or gathering, provided this prohibition shall not apply to a licensee who must walk through a public gathering in order to access their residence, place of business, or vehicle.
(11) A playground or public or private youth center, as defined in Section 626.95, and a street or sidewalk immediately adjacent to the playground or youth center.
(12) A park, athletic area, or athletic facility that is open to the public and a street or sidewalk immediately adjacent to those areas, provided this prohibition shall not apply to a licensee who must walk through such a place in order to access their residence, place of business, or vehicle.
(13) Real property under the control of the Department of Parks and Recreation or Department of Fish and Wildlife, except those areas designated for hunting pursuant to Section 5003.1 of the Public Resources Code, Section 4501 of Title 14 of the California Code of Regulations, or any other designated public hunting area, public shooting ground, or building where firearm possession is permitted by applicable law.
(14) Any area under the control of a public or private community college, college, or university, including, but not limited to, buildings, classrooms, laboratories, medical clinics, hospitals, artistic venues, athletic fields or venues, entertainment venues, officially recognized university-related organization properties, whether owned or leased, and any real property, including parking areas, sidewalks, and common areas.
(15) A building, real property, or parking area that is or would be used for gambling or gaming of any kind whatsoever, including, but not limited to, casinos, gambling establishments, gaming clubs, bingo operations, facilities licensed by the California Horse Racing Board, or a facility wherein banked or percentage games, any form of gambling device, or lotteries, other than the California State Lottery, are or will be played.
(16) A stadium, arena, or the real property or parking area under the control of a stadium, arena, or a collegiate or professional sporting or eSporting event.
(17) A building, real property, or parking area under the control of a public library.
(18) A building, real property, or parking area under the control of an airport or passenger vessel terminal, as those terms are defined in subdivision (a) of Section 171.5.
(19) A building, real property, or parking area under the control of an amusement park.
(20) A building, real property, or parking area under the control of a zoo or museum.
(21) A street, driveway, parking area, property, building, or facility, owned, leased, controlled, or used by a nuclear energy, storage, weapons, or development site or facility regulated by the federal Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
(22) A church, synagogue, mosque, or other place of worship, including in any parking area immediately adjacent thereto, unless the operator of the place of worship clearly and conspicuously posts a sign at the entrance of the building or on the premises indicating that license holders are permitted to carry firearms on the property. Signs shall be of a uniform design as prescribed by the Department of Justice and shall be at least four inches by six inches in size.
(23) A financial institution or parking area under the control of a financial institution.
(24) A police, sheriff, or highway patrol station or parking area under control of a law enforcement agency.
(25) A polling place, voting center, precinct, or other area or location where votes are being cast or cast ballots are being returned or counted, or the streets or sidewalks immediately adjacent to any of these places.
(26) Any other privately-owned commercial establishment that is open to the public, unless the operator of the establishment clearly and conspicuously posts a sign at the entrance of the building or on the premises indicating that license holders are permitted to carry firearms on the property. Signs shall be of a uniform design as prescribed by the Department of Justice and shall be at least four inches by six inches in size.
(27) Any other place or area prohibited by other provisions of state law.
(28) An area where firearms are prohibited under federal law.

Exception includes leaving it in your car should you be at a restricted place defeating the purpose of CCW:

Notwithstanding subdivision (a), except under paragraph (21) or (28) of subdivision (a), a licensee prohibited from carrying a concealed firearm into the parking area of a prohibited location specified in subdivision (a) shall be allowed to:
(1) Transport a concealed firearm or ammunition within a vehicle into or out of the parking area so long as the firearm is locked in a lock box.
(2) Store ammunition or a firearm within a locked lock box and out of plain view within the vehicle in the parking area.
(3) Transport a concealed firearm in the immediate area surrounding their vehicle within a prohibited parking lot area only for the limited purpose of storing or retrieving a firearm within a locked lock box in the vehicle’s trunk or other place inside the vehicle that is out of plain view.

[Chokoloso]

Originally Posted by 9Cal_OC

Thought I’d cross-post SB918 below. If and when you do get issued, see changes to CCW application process for all counties and restricted areas. This just passed committee and will need to be voted on.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...202120220SB918



Exception includes leaving it in your car should you be at a restricted place defeating the purpose of CCW:

In other words, what’s the point then. Jesus, I hate this state.

[eho0925]

This will not survive under Bruen.

[numpty]

Originally Posted by eho0925

This will not survive under Bruen.

I'm sure the state can produce some historical photographs showing signs in public places stating that it's okay to carry on the premises. And you know they're real because they didn't have photoshop back then.

[Super Villain]

In the Old West, didn't some towns prohibit the carrying of guns? Could they try and use that for historical reference?

[Jimi Jah]

Tombstone had visitors check in their guns in the 1800's.

Could it be safer/wiser to carry illegally vs registering as a CCW holder and getting doxed by the State of California?

[Chokoloso]

Originally Posted by Jimi Jah

Tombstone had visitors check in their guns in the 1800's.

Could it be safer/wiser to carry illegally vs registering as a CCW holder and getting doxed by the State of California?

Or be so restricted in where you can legally carry as a CCW holder?

[marcusrn]

Originally Posted by Jimi Jah

Tombstone had visitors check in their guns in the 1800's.

Could it be safer/wiser to carry illegally vs registering as a CCW holder and getting doxed by the State of California?

Of course, as you pointed out it worked alright for your father. Whatever works for you. I highly doubt they can talk about felony behavior with Ca PC post Bruen. Be discreet, and don't wear tats north of your clavicle nor ride in ethinisized vehicles. Always keep your mouth shut to LEO, nothing good comes of it.

[CessnaDriver]

Will being in a "foribidden" place carrying be more punishment with a CCW than without one? Imagine that effed up scenario.

[dangerzone002]

Booked out till June 5th 2023 just for the first appointment!


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[baranski]

Originally Posted by Super Villain

In the Old West, didn't some towns prohibit the carrying of guns? Could they try and use that for historical reference?

Didn't they also burn witches (or suspected ones)?

[Totethemthangs85]

They haven't issued a license in the passed 2 weeks. Usually the numbers update on Mondays. They have the initial announcement of the scotus decision from the 23rd, but nothing after. Can't imagine there would be a gap of people ready to approve with the pipeline of applicants. I'm seeing all the delays and pauses in other counties happening too. Some worse.

[9Cal_OC]

Originally Posted by dangerzone002

Booked out till June 5th 2023 just for the first appointment!


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Hopefully you stay out of the dangerzone till then

It may pickup eventually.

[Toy4Rick]

What I find interesting is the number of new applications doesn't seem to be increasing much... I would expect for the size of SD County that they would be getting hundreds per day and the next available apt would be out to 2024... currently sitting at 6/12/2023

And from what I am seeing, still only Monday apts

[L84CABO]

Originally Posted by Toy4Rick

What I find interesting is the number of new applications doesn't seem to be increasing much... I would expect for the size of SD County that they would be getting hundreds per day and the next available apt would be out to 2024... currently sitting at 6/12/2023

And from what I am seeing, still only Monday apts

It would be nice to know exactly how many apps they're getting per day/month. But like you, it does seem to me that the number applying is kinda on the low side. I'm wondering how many people still didn't know that sheriff was actually issuing...or they did sorta know but they didn't believe it...so they simply haven't applied? But now that Bruen is settled perhaps the number of people applying should go up. Time will tell.

[Chokoloso]

Originally Posted by L84CABO

It would be nice to know exactly how many apps they're getting per day/month. But like you, it does seem to me that the number applying is kinda on the low side. I'm wondering how many people still didn't know that sheriff was actually issuing...or they did sorta know but they didn't believe it...so they simply haven't applied? But now that Bruen is settled perhaps the number of people applying should go up. Time will tell.

Me personally I’m hesitant to apply because of this SB918 nonsense. I almost feel like it’s pointless if 90% of places are restricted to carry.

Am I being negative? So over this state.

[Jimi Jah]

Don't forget that all your personal information gets doxed by the AG when you get one. Add that to 90% sensitive places and you begin to understand why criminals don't comply.

[Helmut]

Submitted my modification for adding a firearm last Friday and “Lisa” said I should have new permit in a couple weeks.

[L84CABO]

Originally Posted by Chokoloso

Me personally I’m hesitant to apply because of this SB918 nonsense. I almost feel like it’s pointless if 90% of places are restricted to carry.

Am I being negative? So over this state.

You should apply. If for no other reason than it pisses off the tyrants. We've had four good years of CCW'ing. Now things may be in for a bit of a change because of Bruen. NewScum is going to try everything he can to make it suck. But the fight is just beginning and his BS will ultimately be struck down.

From a practical side, however, it's still well worth it, IMO, to be able to carry loaded and concealed in your vehicle. YMMV.

[CessnaDriver]

Originally Posted by L84CABO

You should apply. If for no other reason than it pisses off the tyrants. We've had four good years of CCW'ing. Now things may be in for a bit of a change because of Bruen. NewScum is going to try everything he can to make it suck. But the fight is just beginning and his BS will ultimately be struck down.

From a practical side, however, it's still well worth it, IMO, to be able to carry loaded and concealed in your vehicle. YMMV.

And who says the mofos will beat us? We got the good cause tossed. Apply. Never back down.