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Old 08-15-2021, 4:47 PM
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I concur that the 357 Magnum / 38 Special will be their first offering and then possibly another cartridge like 44 Magnum or 30 / 30. But the real question is are they going to offer them at a price that makes them a big hit?

I feel if they come up with new Marlins that cost anywhere above $700...
I think they won't be hot sellers like they could be if they sold for under $500.
There wouldnt be much quality if it co$ts less than $800-1K. Otherwise, youll end up with lots of cheap plastic, and wood-to-metal fit that resembles a ledge you could parachute off of. And plenty of sharp edges, with a crappy finishing attempt, not to mention a trigger that is gritty, and weighs more than a Sherman tank.
The solution is to offer two versions: Sanford & Sons, and then semi-custom from their own in-house shop with upgrades.
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That's what Marlin has been doing since the '60s, with the Glenfield line, then later the 336W model.
Obviously not recently in California, but elsewhere, WalMart had the cheap model with press checkered birch for under $400. The upmarket 336C with real walnut stock was $600.
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I see no problem with inexpensive models, so long as the action remains the same quality. This would be like Remington with the ADL, SPS, BDL, and CDL. Same action, higher-grade finish, i. e. it's a prettier gun.

Were Ruger to use a quality wood that may not have a "burl walnut type" figure, such as birch, to make affordable leverguns, I'd be all for that. That was the idea behind the American, which up until a few years ago, was a very compelling bargain for a quality huntin' rifle. I remember seeing them at $350-ish at Walmart on a regular basis.
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I still kinda wish Ruger would do a 96/357 or 96/10mm...
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I would be happy to spend an extra 50-75% for a Marlin of higher quality.
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I would be happy to spend an extra 50-75% for a Marlin of higher quality.
Now that the Henry lever actions have side loading gates on them, that's basically what they are--A superior, higher-quality alternative to the Marlin. You should check them out if you haven't already.

I've owned, in total and at various times, three Marlins and two Henries. I now own zero Marlins and two Henries.
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Now that the Henry lever actions have side loading gates on them, that's basically what they are--A superior, higher-quality alternative to the Marlin

That is only an opinion.

While the Henry is improving for sure, I'd still rather own and shoot a properly-made Marlin, of which examples do exist. Where they do not they may be put right in most cases.

With Ruger now manufacturing Marlin lever rifles and carbines, we can be somewhat certain of a return of the quality-made Marlin.

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Now that the Henry lever actions have side loading gates on them, that's basically what they are--A superior, higher-quality alternative to the Marlin. You should check them out if you haven't already.

I've owned, in total and at various times, three Marlins and two Henries. I now own zero Marlins and two Henries.
Ill be taking delivery of a Henry 45-70 in the next couple of weeks.

I really like the styling and handling of my Marlin 1894 44 mag, but I really dont like the clunky furniture with poor fit, the front sight that came loose the first time I shot it, and the boogered up screw from the factory. The metal finish leaves a bit to be desired as well, but thats the least of my concerns.

If Ruger can rectify these issues Ill gladly sell my current Marlin and pick up a new one, even if it costs a few hundred more.
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I dont own the caliber, but Id be really interested in an 1894 in .327 Federal Mag, and a Vaquero in the same. It would be a fun set.

That said, its already tough to swallow what people are asking for a JM stamped 1894c. Want a second one, but I tend to be a cheap bastard.


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I dont own the caliber, but Id be really interested in an 1894 in .327 Federal Mag, and a Vaquero in the same. It would be a fun set.

That said, its already tough to swallow what people are asking for a JM stamped 1894c. Want a second one, but I tend to be a cheap bastard.


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I don’t own the caliber, but I’d be really interested in an 1894 in .327 Federal Mag, and a Vaquero in the same. It would be a fun set.
Same here brother. I've had a box of Federal. 327 ammo sitting around for 8 years.

Henry has a/some in .327 but no side loaders yet.
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Same here brother. I've had a box of Federal. 327 ammo sitting around for 8 years.

Henry has a/some in .327 but no side loaders yet.
Yeah, you're right Mark. Only in tube feeders. I'll be.

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Same here brother. I've had a box of Federal. 327 ammo sitting around for 8 years.

Henry has a/some in .327 but no side loaders yet.

Ive had other levers, and Im honestly not interested. My 1894c is by far my favorite gun. I should have picked up more when they were cheaper. My dream is that my cousin will sell me his 1894CB. Everyone will be mad, but Ive been dying to cut that fat octagon barrel back to 16.


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I'm looking forward to 1895SBL's showing up on store shelves again. There's a real feral T-Rex problem in socal.
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Ive had other levers, and Im honestly not interested. My 1894c is by far my favorite gun. I should have picked up more when they were cheaper. My dream is that my cousin will sell me his 1894CB. Everyone will be mad, but Ive been dying to cut that fat octagon barrel back to 16.

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I'm looking forward to 1895SBL's showing up on store shelves again. There's a real feral T-Rex problem in socal.

Yee HAW! That's right. Best have one or two SBLs standing by!

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I talked to Chris yesterday. He said he was going to put us up in his new trailer and he would sleep in the back of his truck.

Be ready, the weather, she is a changing.
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Well before November, amigo! and perhaps by the end of the month even if for one last-minute morning. My little sleeper/galley trailer isn't near finished, though.

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That is only an opinion.

While the Henry is improving for sure, I'd still rather own and shoot a properly-made Marlin, of which examples do exist. Where they do not they may be put right in most cases.

With Ruger now manufacturing Marlin lever rifles and carbines, we can be somewhat certain of a return of the quality-made Marlin.

Just mho.
I agree that I'm hopeful Ruger returns to the quality of JM Marlins. Two of my three Marlins were JM (a 336 and an 1895) and you could definitely tell they had that old-world build quality to them.
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I am absolutely bursting at the seams about the Marlin release. First they said the second half of this year. Then the fourth quarter. Well, we are just a couple days away from the fourth quarter and there hasn’t been a peep. Has anyone heard anything? Anything at all?
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According to this gun talk radio interview posted yesterday, they'll be starting with the 1895 Stainless Big Loop in 45-70.

Then 336 in 30-30 and 1894 in .357

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Alright! So mid-December for the 1895! I can’t tell you how good it is to hear an update. Thank you, Motos&Guns!
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According to this gun talk radio interview posted yesterday, they'll be starting with the 1895 Stainless Big Loop in 45-70.

Then 336 in 30-30 and 1894 in .357

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_AHFat3yqE
Good stuff on there, thanks for posting that ....

It sounded to me like the model 60 is going to live. A little prayer for the model 39.
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According to this gun talk radio interview posted yesterday, they'll be starting with the 1895 Stainless Big Loop in 45-70.

Then 336 in 30-30 and 1894 in .357

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_AHFat3yqE
...receivers confirmed to not be cast but forged, barrels hammer forged.

Looks like my 1894 SBL 44 will probably next year sometime...summer?

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So, microgroove barrels are history. They will use Ruger hammer forged barrels.
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...receivers confirmed to not be cast but forged, barrels hammer forged.

Looks like my 1894 SBL 44 will probably next year sometime...summer?

Here, this may tide you over.

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I confirmed with my guy at Ruger yesterday about the .45-70's being first.

Also 1:20 twist 1894 barrels for .44's and .45's.

Also some of the other simple mods like rounding the top of the hammer face and tumble deburring of internal parts. They are striving for no "Hand Fitting" of any part, which should be well within the scope of Automated Production at this time.

Once thru the "Testing Phase" of the prototypes they are expecting to produce 500 guns a day! They will make that target easily.

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It makes it worse!

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Hahaha... well, wasn't really my intention.

BTW, I can only see images posted in this thread when I view CGN from my phone.

I usually visit CGN while home and on the laptop... which is where I can't see 'em. Newer machine, too. Newer software, OS, yadda yadda. What in thee fo0k.
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I confirmed with my guy at Ruger yesterday about the .45-70's being first.

Also 1:20 twist 1894 barrels for .44's and .45's.

Also some of the other simple mods like rounding the top of the hammer face and tumble deburring of internal parts. They are striving for no "Hand Fitting" of any part, which should be well within the scope of Automated Production at this time.

Once thru the "Testing Phase" of the prototypes they are expecting to produce 500 guns a day! They will make that target easily.

Randy

Great news on the rifling twist rate. ABOUT TIME.

Too, what about your chamber portal chamfer/round-ation suggestion? for the care and feeding of the carty-ridges.
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I usually visit CGN while home and on the laptop... which is where I can't see 'em. Newer machine, too. Newer software, OS, yadda yadda. What in thee fo0k.
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most of us have high hopes for a return to quality.
When they get done cleaning up the Marlin line, they can move to an improved #1.
Marlin could not make a profit trying to keep the quality up and went bust. Ruger will figure out the cheapest way to make a sellable product that they can mass produce on a line that resembles the UAW.
"Improved" to Ruger means cheaper to build. They spent a lot of money cleaning up and improving their Red Label shotgun only to have to pull it off the market in less than 3 months because it was areal POS.
The No1 was Bill Ruger's halo product - I've got 7 of them and they need no improvements.
The bean counters control Ruger and ALL thing are controlled by the bottom line. My rule of thumb is not to buy a Ruger built after he died.
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That is only an opinion.

While the Henry is improving for sure, I'd still rather own and shoot a properly-made Marlin, of which examples do exist. Where they do not they may be put right in most cases.

With Ruger now manufacturing Marlin lever rifles and carbines, we can be somewhat certain of a return of the quality-made Marlin.

Just mho.
This is very true. I love watching Henry add excellent lever action models as the company matures and evolves. The quality is really something to see, especially the wood they use for the stocks, excellent.

Having said that, my heart is with Marlin and has been since I was a little boy. My Dad loved Marlins and hunted for decades with his Model 1936 (which I now own). He liked the pistol grip vs. straight stock and the side eject feature.

I started my Marlin collection with a 39a followed by a 336 (30-30) and then a Model 94 in .45 Colt.

Interesting with the 94, it sat on the rack at our local Big 5 for months, nobody touched it. I finally decided it needed to come home with me and I'm glad I did. Excellent companion to my Ruger Blackhawk Bisley in the same caliber.

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I am a Marlin fan (fanatic). I have rifles that were built in 1899 all the way to 2018. I have had a few (very few) clunkers. The rest are keepers. Even the Remlins that I own are shooters.

I hope that Ruger can make it happen. I have had some clunkers from them also. (Don't get me started on my first generation Mini 14 and Bill Ruger's "It's accurate enough for those hick, hayseed, redneck peckerwoods." Or words to that effect.) But I have to believe that with all of the attention they are getting as well as the huge financial burden they took on they are going to give it a worthy effort.

I recently bought a brand new Henry Big Boy in 357 mag. Although it is .6 pounds heavier and 2" longer than my JM 1894CS I believe that it is everything that the Remlins could have been if Remington had taken lever actions seriously.

The Henry is smooth as glass and more accurate than my Marlins.

If Ruger has learned from the missteps that Remington made then we should see some nice guns. But I'm not betting the house payment.

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The 1894 Marlin is my favorite lever rifle design. I love the slick look of the bolt. I would love to see them make a premium model ala the deluxe Winchesters.
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They did, and there were.

To the tune of +/-$3600 iirc. This was back before Marlin's decline in the late 2000s.
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They did, and there were.

To the tune of +/-$3600 iirc. This was back before Marlin's decline in the late 2000s.
Now Im wondering how much it would cost to have Turnbull do a number on my boogered up remlin 1894
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Great news on the rifling twist rate. ABOUT TIME.

Too, what about your chamber portal chamfer/round-ation suggestion? for the care and feeding of the carty-ridges.
They are working on that as the engineers have concerns about the larger chamfer causing Headspace problems when the outside of the rim goes below the outside edge of the chamfer.

I suggested making the chamfer smaller reducing it to just above an edge break and they are looking at that. As long as the outside edge of the cartridge rim doesn't go below the outside edge of the chamfer we're good. Or just breaking the edge on the upper half of the chamber mouth could be a workable option as well.

The whole Idea here is to make it so that it will seamlessly feed a SWC, or Wide Flat Nose Boolit without gouging into it, like mine does. I have sent them numerous pictures of the chamber of my gun so they should be able to figure it out. I personally don't think the Headspace issue is that big a deal.

The Headspace on these three cartridges (.357,.44 Spec/Mag adn .45 LC is .060+.005 -.000 And the the Rim thickness is .055 on all of them so it looks like there is .010 to paly with. But since the cartridge is held against the bolt face by the extractor similar to a Semi Auto Pistol feeding rounds off the magazine, a few thou here or there isn't going to make any difference. The headspace is only an issue when the firing pin drives the cartridge forward as it is hit. Then if there is too much it could cause a misfire.

We'll see what they do, but I am hopeful that they will do something like I suggested.

This one thing is a big Improvement to these guns.

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